What happen to the skins? :(

Sunday, March 27, 2016 by Yearout | Discussion: WindowBlinds

Well I've supported Stardock up to this day for YEARS. So looking at skins.. WOW.. almost every page has 4+ selling. Now go back just 100 pages.. you might see ONE selling. And then most of those were AWESOME skins.. now its just .. not ART just greed. Well windowblinds is NOT what it use to be and seeing skins go for $5 (reg) up to $7+.. its a joke almost a insult. People can sell what ever they want.

Its like people trying to get the last drop of water out of the tap..in the end you just hurt this more then help.

 

 

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TheDude23112
Reply #21 Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:09 PM

LightStar


Quoting TheDude23112,

My question is do skinners make skins to make money for their "work"?



 

Well of course Master Skinners make skins to make money for their work, they are entitled to do so. That is why Stardock promoted them to the level of Master. It is also a LOT of work, just ask anyone who creates WB skins.

 

I guess I am asking is the motivation to make the skin, money, or to create art.

 

LightStar
Reply #22 Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:56 PM

TheDude23112


Quoting LightStar,






Quoting TheDude23112,



My question is do skinners make skins to make money for their "work"?



 

Well of course Master Skinners make skins to make money for their work, they are entitled to do so. That is why Stardock promoted them to the level of Master. It is also a LOT of work, just ask anyone who creates WB skins.



 

I guess I am asking is the motivation to make the skin, money, or to create art.

 

 

For me, all 3 apply.

Victechnical
Reply #23 Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:47 AM


The fact is, not many people are building and uploading skins any more (an art form going extinct?). So the average Joe isn't skinning....... what's left? MASTERS!!

That's why you are seeing mostly masterskins on the WB page! It's not greed, there just aren't others out there making free skins to "balance the scale"

 

Yes, in earlier times there were many free skins offered and the Master skins for sale were in the minority.  Now that has reversed.  I do appreciate when Master skinners occasionally release a free skin to the community   

 

I also like the idea of occasionally running sales on Master skins.   As someone else noted one of the problems with buying skins is there's no way to properly preview them beforehand.  Personally if they were a bit more affordable I'd take the risk more often and not mind when a skin didn't work out for me.

LightStar
Reply #24 Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:56 PM

I don't think people understand the complexities involved in creating a Windowblinds skins, and the prices some Masters are charging are a bit high in my opinion too in some cases. For instance though, I sell my skins for $3.95 to $6.95 depending on different factors. A quality Windowblinds skin takes 40 or more hours to create, and Stardock's cut is bout 35% of the sale price of a skin. Sooooooo....

 

At $3.95 - 35% = $2.57 earned, which at 40 hours to create is a whopping 6 cents an hour that a Master Skinner makes.

At $4.95 - 35% = $3.22 earned, which at 40 hours to create is a huge 8 cents an hour that a Master Skinner makes.

At $5.95 - 35% = $3.87 earned, which at 40 hours to create is a fantastic 10 cents an hour that a Master Skinner makes.

At $6.95 - 35% = $4.52 earned, which at 40 hours to create is a magnificent 11 cents an hour that a Master Skinner makes.

 

Even at $9.95 - 35% = $6.47 earned, which at 40 hours to create is a stupendous 16 cents an hour that a Master Skinner makes.

 

All figures are rounded up, and many skins take much more than 40 hours to create, and some designers include wallpapers, cursors, etc. that even take more time.

Now, some people need this income to live on, so am I making my point here, or what? 

 

Please, please stop complaining about Master Skin prices. Thank you.

Victechnical
Reply #25 Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:24 PM

LightStar

I don't think people understand the complexities involved in creating a Windowblinds skins, and the prices some Masters are charging are a bit high in my opinion too in some cases. For instance though, I sell my skins for $3.95 to $6.95 depending on different factors. A quality Windowblinds skin takes 40 or more hours to create, and Stardock's cut is bout 35% of the sale price of a skin. 

 

I respect your right to value your work as you see fit.  Given the amount of time it takes to create a WB skin the only way to make a decent return is to sell it to enough people.  You know the market and have a sense of how many sales you're likely to make.  Whether or not you would make significantly more sales by reducing the price and actually come out ahead is something only you can know.  You may have already assessed this.  All that said if the cost is more than some people want to pay, well, that's part of the equation.

LightStar
Reply #26 Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:35 PM

Victechnical


Quoting LightStar,

I don't think people understand the complexities involved in creating a Windowblinds skins, and the prices some Masters are charging are a bit high in my opinion too in some cases. For instance though, I sell my skins for $3.95 to $6.95 depending on different factors. A quality Windowblinds skin takes 40 or more hours to create, and Stardock's cut is bout 35% of the sale price of a skin. 



 

I respect your right to value your work as you see fit.  Given the amount of time it takes to create a WB skin the only way to make a decent return is to sell it to enough people.  You know the market and have a sense of how many sales you're likely to make.  Whether or not you would make significantly more sales by reducing the price and actually come out ahead is something only you can know.  You may have already assessed this.  All that said if the cost is more than some people want to pay, well, that's part of the equation.

 

Price should not mater if everything is under $10, and Stardock has a set minimum that a skin can be sold at also. I sell no more skins at $3.95 than I do at higher prices, so price doesn't matter if people just don't want to spend money. Lower prices make no difference at all.

TheDude23112
Reply #27 Thursday, April 14, 2016 7:25 PM

LightStar

Price should not mater if everything is under $10, and Stardock has a set minimum that a skin can be sold at also. I sell no more skins at $3.95 than I do at higher prices, so price doesn't matter if people just don't want to spend money. Lower prices make no difference at all.

 

Did not realize that Stardock gets a cut out of this.  Very interesting.  It all makes more sense now.

 

Victechnical
Reply #28 Friday, April 15, 2016 8:46 AM

LightStar
I sell no more skins at $3.95 than I do at higher prices, so price doesn't matter if people just don't want to spend money. Lower prices make no difference at all.

 

Thanks for the additional info; Re lower prices not making a difference I wondered if that might be the case.  

Anyway, thank you for the quality skins and for gifting the community occasionally as well (Reddish is really good!)  

neone6
Reply #29 Friday, April 15, 2016 12:31 PM

Lightstar said it all.

-If you have any issues with pricing R E A D what he said (All of it !)

Thanx Tom !

billstelling
Reply #30 Saturday, April 16, 2016 3:38 PM

LightStar

Price should not mater if everything is under $10, and Stardock has a set minimum that a skin can be sold at also. I sell no more skins at $3.95 than I do at higher prices, so price doesn't matter if people just don't want to spend money. Lower prices make no difference at all.

I can see buying a few at $3.95 but to be honest I feel that anything over 3 is to much. I would have bought many had they been 3 and under but the fact that most are 5 and above have kept me to pretty much just the free ones.

I paid 10 for WB8 and 5 to upgrade it to WB10. It seems excessive for the skins to be priced so high and I feel that if the prices were lower that the Skinners would in fact make more money due to many more sales.. I would have bought ten times the amount that I have at this point. It's a value thing for me..

LightStar
Reply #31 Saturday, April 16, 2016 4:02 PM

BillStelling


Quoting LightStar,


Price should not mater if everything is under $10, and Stardock has a set minimum that a skin can be sold at also. I sell no more skins at $3.95 than I do at higher prices, so price doesn't matter if people just don't want to spend money. Lower prices make no difference at all.



I can see buying a few at $3.95 but to be honest I feel that anything over 3 is to much. I would have bought many had they been 3 and under but the fact that most are 5 and above have kept me to pretty much just the free ones.

I paid 10 for WB8 and 5 to upgrade it to WB10. It seems excessive for the skins to be priced so high and I feel that if the prices were lower that the Skinners would in fact make more money due to many more sales.. I would have bought ten times the amount that I have at this point. It's a value thing for me..

 

Can't be $3 or below, sorry. Stardock's minimum selling amount is just under $4.

 

Does anyone find it strange that the people who originally post these type threads about Master Skins/Prices, etc. never comment again in the thread? Guess they were just trying to cause a disturbance. 

billstelling
Reply #32 Saturday, April 16, 2016 6:32 PM

I don't get the 4 dollar selling price bit. Does Stardock taking that much of a cut the reason the price has to be so high? It makes no sense to me..

Jafo
Reply #33 Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:23 PM

Ah....the Economics of Commerce.

There is a pricepoint where the mechanics of transaction are actually not covered by a sale - to the point where a sale becomes an actual loss.

Simplistic example....you sell a 'thing' for one cent ....and then 'freely' package it in a brown paper bag that cost you 2 cents.....

billstelling
Reply #34 Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:33 AM

You act as if there is overhead involved in creating these styles. Time is the the only investment when creating these so there really is no out of pocket for the most part.. You act as if a product is being physically manufactured. I would get into the economics of sales but I fear that it will mean nothing here..

I create apps and using them as an example, the dollar ones make ten times what those priced at 5 dollars make.. 100 sales at a buck each beats 10 sales at 5 dollars by a long shot.. If you price one at 6 and I won't buy it but will buy 2 at 3, which is better in the long run?

sydneysiders
Reply #35 Sunday, April 17, 2016 2:56 AM

BillStelling

I can see buying a few at $3.95 but to be honest I feel that anything over 3 is to much.

then, if that is your budget restraint....you should not buy them... you should also spell 'to' much...as 'too' much...  

 

BillStelling

I would have bought many had they been 3 and under but the fact that most are 5 and above have kept me to pretty much just the free ones.

well... instead of considering buying 2 or 3 blinds...you should consider which one you want the most and will get the most use out of and tire of the least....and just splash out on....one... 

 

you can talk 'til you're blue in the face... or type until your fingertips are blue...whatever...but you won't change the pricing of the Masterskins as it's up to the Masters and they have been fine tuning their pricing over many years to be able to make it half way feasible to spend the time doing them at all.....and they have been through many, many of these threads over many years... so.. save your breath/fingertips...and go have a coffee... or put aside that money from a cup of coffee to go buy a blind... 

Uvah
Reply #36 Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:45 AM

I don't get all the 'hype' about prices for WindowBlind skins. Take for example a price of 7.95 US for a skin created by Neone6 or Kitty. It isn't just the skin but a suite that includes an icon pack, a cursor and a wallpaper a steal IMO. Other skins at 3.95 US or 4.95 US or 5.95 US......these are 'high' prices? Give me a break. I exist on a fixed income that doesn't allow for many extras. At the end of the month I have enough left over to purchase several skins. I haven't yet due to certain obligations. Soon though I'll be in a better position to do what I like. So think about it. At 500.00 US from social security every month, which isn't very much, if I can do it and not even feel the pinch then I'm very sure others can also. I'm also very sure that even buying one skin a month isn't going to break the bank. Every meal you eat every day, three times for most people, cost more than that. So please...stop all the nonsense about prices being 'too high'. If you believe they're too expensive don't buy them! Simple. Complaining about them is just another exercise in futility. My two cents.

neone6
Reply #37 Sunday, April 17, 2016 8:09 AM

sydneysiders

or put aside that money from a cup of coffee to go buy a blind...
Omg I actually think you said a really GREAT thing Syd, lol !

Jafo
Reply #38 Sunday, April 17, 2016 10:31 AM

BillStelling

You act as if there is overhead involved in creating these styles. Time is the the only investment when creating these so there really is no out of pocket for the most part.. You act as if a product is being physically manufactured. I would get into the economics of sales but I fear that it will mean nothing here..

Your ignorance is showing...

Someone hosts the skins.

Someone manages payments.

Someone reimburses the vendor.

Need I go on?

 

If we get pedantic then the skinner has his/her own 'overheads', and it is not "only time".

What exactly is the fee charged these days for a copy of Photoshop?

Or should it now be an annual subscription fee....

I guess my example was too simplistic for some to comprehend.

Jafo
Reply #39 Sunday, April 17, 2016 10:35 AM

Oh...skinners DO 'physically create a product'....just as Authors physically write a book....

I am now anxiously waiting for..."ripping isn't theft...because nothing is taken"

Come on....let's get original here.....

 

Hint...I've heard the exact same arguments for 20 years.

Gaspershooters
Reply #40 Sunday, April 17, 2016 11:16 AM

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