hydrogen-powered car VS diesel
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 by joetheblow | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Someone tell me why million of government money is going into hydrogen-powered car when a diesel cars is very effiecent with fuel and pollution? I know hydrogen-powered car is better, but here and now couldn't we start to change over to diesel?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/08/automobiles/08AUTO.html
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Jafo
Reply #122 Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:45 PM
Reply #122 Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:45 PM
BTW....the 'Hemi' [hemispherical combustion chamber] was an Aston Martin creation....in the '30s.
There ain't nothing new nowhere...
There ain't nothing new nowhere...
IPlural
Reply #123 Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:58 PM
JaFo here I thought it was on the Merlin power plant of the Super Marines of the 30's at the Sea trials and finally being put into the Spitfire and Mustange
The cliping would be fantastic..
Reply #123 Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:58 PM
JaFo here I thought it was on the Merlin power plant of the Super Marines of the 30's at the Sea trials and finally being put into the Spitfire and Mustange The cliping would be fantastic..
kona0197
Reply #124 Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:14 PM
Reply #124 Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:14 PM
@ KarmaGirl:
I would rather push a forign car up 3 miles of a steep hill then drive a chevy. My family dose not have chevys. We mostly drive ford except some of us special people who drive a real american car: Dodge. The only 2 forign cars I would drive are a Maclaren F1 and a Lamborghini Diablo GT. About the charger, it is actually my friends so I will talk to him. He does have a blower and NOS.
@ Jafo:
Aston-Martin might have created it but like everything else in the world we Americans perfected it. (Dodge perfected the hemi very well this year.)
I would rather push a forign car up 3 miles of a steep hill then drive a chevy. My family dose not have chevys. We mostly drive ford except some of us special people who drive a real american car: Dodge. The only 2 forign cars I would drive are a Maclaren F1 and a Lamborghini Diablo GT. About the charger, it is actually my friends so I will talk to him. He does have a blower and NOS.
@ Jafo:
Aston-Martin might have created it but like everything else in the world we Americans perfected it. (Dodge perfected the hemi very well this year.)
IPlural
Reply #125 Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:12 AM
Reply #125 Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:12 AM
I'm a Mopar freak, and do like Ford, but know that Chevy has a lot to offer. Solid 10,000 rpm small blocks which you can start at a 350 cid smooth it up to 355 and jump it up to a 383 and not go broke doing. Still drive it daily and with the correct rearend, you can swap out the 3.23 ring and pinion out for a 4.11 or as his as you like for the weekend in the matter of minutes. Thourh you end up smelling like 90 weight for the next three days! yummy, eck...
Of course you can do that with any ride, though I do love the Dana posi with the 4:56 and the 727 red clutch kit and air shifter backing a 650 hp big block wedge stroker.... Though anything over 500 hp is not legal on the streets in Florida and if you happen to ding or get dinked and someone dies your looking at some serious time even if it wasn't your fault.
2 hp for cid isn't hard in the lesat, dunno about newer engines but the old pig iron it was quit normal. Not expensive to do either, unless you looking for R's and then your going to start paying $$$ 8 - 10,000 rpm Big Blocks got expensive cooling and lubracation systems, dual oil pumps with water cooling heavy machine work on journels, caps, pistons, wrist pins. Redrilling the heads and blocks reworking the decks, changing out and adding freeze pulgs from knock outs to plunger type with set screws to hold the added volume and pressure...
Shaving the heads down to keep the compression ratio correct which tend to mean reworking the intake ports so the continue to match up, polishing everything...
Then you look over your shoulder at the Chevy and they are opening boxes checking tolerances and if correct bolting the sucker on
Lot to be said about Chevy, mostly good from building perspective, though
I'd rather a SuperBEE or a AAR Cuda be wrapped around me I wouldn't snub or forget the Monzda 2x2 350 or the 327 Vega I've had in the past, zoom zoom
yummy, eck...Of course you can do that with any ride, though I do love the Dana posi with the 4:56 and the 727 red clutch kit and air shifter backing a 650 hp big block wedge stroker.... Though anything over 500 hp is not legal on the streets in Florida and if you happen to ding or get dinked and someone dies your looking at some serious time even if it wasn't your fault.
2 hp for cid isn't hard in the lesat, dunno about newer engines but the old pig iron it was quit normal. Not expensive to do either, unless you looking for R's and then your going to start paying $$$ 8 - 10,000 rpm Big Blocks got expensive cooling and lubracation systems, dual oil pumps with water cooling heavy machine work on journels, caps, pistons, wrist pins. Redrilling the heads and blocks reworking the decks, changing out and adding freeze pulgs from knock outs to plunger type with set screws to hold the added volume and pressure...
Shaving the heads down to keep the compression ratio correct which tend to mean reworking the intake ports so the continue to match up, polishing everything...
Then you look over your shoulder at the Chevy and they are opening boxes checking tolerances and if correct bolting the sucker on
Lot to be said about Chevy, mostly good from building perspective, though
I'd rather a SuperBEE or a AAR Cuda be wrapped around me I wouldn't snub or forget the Monzda 2x2 350 or the 327 Vega I've had in the past, zoom zoom
KarmaGirl
Reply #126 Sunday, March 23, 2003 3:27 PM
Reply #126 Sunday, March 23, 2003 3:27 PM
kona0197, Dodge = the real american car? he he.... you mean the same Dodge that is owned by Daimler-Chrysler? (Which is mainly *German* engineered). I guess you can thank the German engineering for the new "perfected" Hemi.
I think you will see many more Chevys at the track than Ford or Mopar. (At least I always have). They are made of some pretty tough stuff.
I think you will see many more Chevys at the track than Ford or Mopar. (At least I always have). They are made of some pretty tough stuff.
KarmaGirl
Reply #127 Sunday, March 23, 2003 3:29 PM
Reply #127 Sunday, March 23, 2003 3:29 PM
BTW, to qualify the "american" car comment. *No* car can be considered American. Dodge/Chrysler is German engineered, Ford and Mazda swap parts, and Chevy and Toyota have had a long relationship. A lot of Mazdas end up more "american" than some Fords do.
Jafo
Reply #128 Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:26 PM
Reply #128 Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:26 PM
Kona....no, that's an absurd statement....'perfected it'?
Aston wasn't interested in continuing a development for your Yank-tanks...they were busy perfecting their own projects....even IF they are now part of FOMOCO, as is Jaguar.
The US solution to power and performance is to plonk a bigger cast-iron donk in the front, pump up the Koni's and chuck on fatter rubber.....hardly sophisticated technical development...
I think back to 1986....when I had a Brabham BMW suspended over my head on a crane.....drive-train drag just ticking over the wheels as Warrick wanted us to put him back on the circuit as he still had the engine running....and I looked up at my unique view of an F1 car thinking....'one and a half litres......the same size as a Corolla....except it has 1200 horsepower.'
And not one of those 'things' that farts down the quarter mile ...like freeway racing without corners....but a fair-dinkum car that stops, goes AND steers.
Reciprocating 'vee' engines capable of 18,500 rpm for hours at a time...gear changes once every 2 second for 2 hours.
Then I look at a Dodge Viper......put a tandem axle on it and you might be able to support a bigger motor than 8 litres.....why not just pull the donk out of a Louisville?...
BTW...your new GTO, thanks to the Aussie Holden is called a Monaro here.....Aboriginal for 'woman's breast'.
You would have thought 'penis substitute' would be more apt...
Aston wasn't interested in continuing a development for your Yank-tanks...they were busy perfecting their own projects....even IF they are now part of FOMOCO, as is Jaguar.
The US solution to power and performance is to plonk a bigger cast-iron donk in the front, pump up the Koni's and chuck on fatter rubber.....hardly sophisticated technical development...
I think back to 1986....when I had a Brabham BMW suspended over my head on a crane.....drive-train drag just ticking over the wheels as Warrick wanted us to put him back on the circuit as he still had the engine running....and I looked up at my unique view of an F1 car thinking....'one and a half litres......the same size as a Corolla....except it has 1200 horsepower.'
And not one of those 'things' that farts down the quarter mile ...like freeway racing without corners....but a fair-dinkum car that stops, goes AND steers.
Reciprocating 'vee' engines capable of 18,500 rpm for hours at a time...gear changes once every 2 second for 2 hours.
Then I look at a Dodge Viper......put a tandem axle on it and you might be able to support a bigger motor than 8 litres.....why not just pull the donk out of a Louisville?...
BTW...your new GTO, thanks to the Aussie Holden is called a Monaro here.....Aboriginal for 'woman's breast'.
You would have thought 'penis substitute' would be more apt...
kona0197
Reply #129 Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:53 PM
Reply #129 Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:53 PM
@ KarmaGirl :
The only racing I know of or even care to acknowledge is NASCAR. And correct me if I'm wrong, there are more fords and pontiacs than chevys in that lineup. Top that off with no one driving a chevy is in the top 5 in point standings. In my house the word Chevy can get you slapped.
The only racing I know of or even care to acknowledge is NASCAR. And correct me if I'm wrong, there are more fords and pontiacs than chevys in that lineup. Top that off with no one driving a chevy is in the top 5 in point standings. In my house the word Chevy can get you slapped.
Jafo
Reply #130 Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:19 PM
Reply #130 Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:19 PM
Nascar....ah, the joys of freeway-racing....anyone for turning left?.
I've worked them...did the first Nascar meetings ever outside the US....round and round and round and round and round....fortunately for us we had 'Auscars' as well...and they went clock-wise so we didn't get quite so dizzy...
Got the Nascar guys upset when they realized just how quick our little cars were on the oval...so much so they had to 'write it off' as a woman's category [cos there were a few women in the field].
Still, the prangs were always impressive...and the numbers were easy to read [important when you need to report incidents....I wish F1 would make it easier for us]...
I've worked them...did the first Nascar meetings ever outside the US....round and round and round and round and round....fortunately for us we had 'Auscars' as well...and they went clock-wise so we didn't get quite so dizzy...
Got the Nascar guys upset when they realized just how quick our little cars were on the oval...so much so they had to 'write it off' as a woman's category [cos there were a few women in the field].
Still, the prangs were always impressive...and the numbers were easy to read [important when you need to report incidents....I wish F1 would make it easier for us]...
IPlural
Reply #131 Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:34 PM
Reply #131 Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:34 PM
new Goat? ewww that is like saying there is a new RoadRunner and slapping BeepBeep sitckers on an Aspen
BoXXi
Reply #132 Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:39 PM
Reply #132 Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:39 PM
I have always loved American domestic cars, and I have owned quite a few even though I live in England. But, although the cars I have owned were beautiful and powerful, they just didn't go round corners! Englands roads are very challenging for U.S. cars, and I have yet to find one that could really handle it. If you want true all round performance, you should look at English vehicles like a V8 Morgan or a Lotus Elise. These things handle like you wouldn't believe, and can "go a bit" in a straight line too.
I'm sure Jafo will join me in extolling the virtues of the Morgan. What do you think Paul?
I'm sure Jafo will join me in extolling the virtues of the Morgan. What do you think Paul?
Jafo
Reply #133 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:02 PM
Reply #133 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:02 PM
Bryan...almost bought a Morgan 3 wheeler once....should have, too....saw it later on a truck [someone else had bought it]....had a big 'M' on the heads.....a Matchless Vee twin.....good for about 100mph...[sniff]...
Brother in Law just bought his 'retirement project'...a '54 Riley....just picked it up yesterday...[I just finished the Garage drawing for him to build to house it]...
Brother in Law just bought his 'retirement project'...a '54 Riley....just picked it up yesterday...[I just finished the Garage drawing for him to build to house it]...
BoXXi
Reply #134 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:20 PM
Reply #134 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:20 PM
My older brother,(a car dealer) has a 1954 MG TF. The thing is, when he bought it, it had never been built! It was in large wooden boxes, and every part was brand new and unused. He recently finished putting it together and it is utterly stunning in bright red. It has about 100 miles on the clock now. I'm soooo jealous! 
This is what a '54 MG TF looks like... http://www.stonebridgecars.com/vehicles/20002/0527.html but my brother's is brand new.
This is what a '54 MG TF looks like... http://www.stonebridgecars.com/vehicles/20002/0527.html but my brother's is brand new.
TBoy34
Reply #136 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:25 PM
Reply #136 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:25 PM
I hope someone in here can help me. I'm using Windowblinds 4. I have all the updates so far. It's working wonderful. It's very fast and efficient. Anyway, I'm trying to figure out. How do you change the color of the desktop skin? You could do this with windowblinds 3.5. Yet, I cannot figure out how to do it with 4. Can anyone out there help?
BoXXi
Reply #137 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:53 PM
Reply #137 Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:53 PM
Here's a great site for classic motors..... http://www.classicar.com/ Have fun!
SkinneRyan
Reply #138 Monday, March 24, 2003 7:56 AM
Reply #138 Monday, March 24, 2003 7:56 AM
TBoy, I can't really help you, but you might have a bit more luck if you create your own topic and ask your question in that.
KarmaGirl
Reply #139 Monday, March 24, 2003 8:21 AM
Reply #139 Monday, March 24, 2003 8:21 AM
kona0197 - "The only racing I know of or even care to acknowledge is NASCAR." He he....I guess that explains it all...... Umm...well...jeez... You are talking about a bunch of cars that have to be built to a spec and all run at about the same hp. *Then* throw in a couple restricter plate races. Now, I enjoy watching Nascar sometimes, but I much rather put myself in a 5 point harness and go head to head with somebody at the tree. A drag car and a circle track or road coarse car are made completely different. I'm not much of a "watcher". I like to actually be in the game. There's not much difference in the cars in nascar besides the emblem on the hood (and, don't kid yourself about that). It's all in the driver of the car when it comes to Nascar. Now, an ARCA race is something completely different. (Should check those crazy guys out if you're into circle track racing). The only time that I like Nascar is when they do their road tracks. Oh, and I almost forgot-"there are more fords and pontiacs than chevys in that lineup." Pontiac and Chevys are both GM, remember? They are made of the same parts. (You can get 3.8liter engines in both Chevy and Pontiac, and the engine is considered a "Buick" engine, for example.)
Jafo- "And not one of those 'things' that farts down the quarter mile ..." If you think that drag cars "fart" down a quarter mile, you have obviously never been in one
Jafo- "And not one of those 'things' that farts down the quarter mile ..." If you think that drag cars "fart" down a quarter mile, you have obviously never been in one
IPlural
Reply #140 Monday, March 24, 2003 8:27 AM
Reply #140 Monday, March 24, 2003 8:27 AM
zoom zoom...
nice link BoXXi
I'd like a Mini, see one every now and then down town, looks like it would be fun.
Oh and I didn't know they called those paved carriage trails over there in the UK roads
Be much fun on a GSXR 750 I am betting.
nice link BoXXi
I'd like a Mini, see one every now and then down town, looks like it would be fun.
Oh and I didn't know they called those paved carriage trails over there in the UK roads
Be much fun on a GSXR 750 I am betting.
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Reply #121 Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:43 PM
Then I read further...he was an ex-Boeing engineer...and he'd just dropped into his 'Vette a Pratt & Whitney Gas turbine.....detuned to 700 shp [shaft horsepower], running through a Rolls Royce Auto...[the only thing at the time tough enough to handle it]. The 'exhaust' was for a JET exhaust. The 'motor' was smaller and lighter than a crappy piece of yankee cast-iron....if not detuned [limited] had 1100 shp.
He said the fun bit was pulling up at traffic lights beside a 'Stang....'idling' at 30,000 and watching the 'Stang driver looking up at the sky for the plane.
Needless to say it 'went' like the proverbial off a shovel...
I think I have the clipping somewhere...it's about 30 years old...if I can find it I'll post a pic for the 'grease-monkeys' out there...