Warez, the work that doesn't pay
Sunday, February 23, 2003 by Elfkura | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
You know, I used to support warez, thinking I can get anything off the internet for free even though it costs money to get the real version. That was cool, or so I thought, until I realized just how much this warez thing affected everyone.
It hurts to walk around some of the more underdeveloped nations, to see the calculators used by market sales people that are the exact name brand of the calculator that my father makes, exact same shape and size... but very much fake in that they don't work really well, but they are dirt cheap, and everyone can afford them.
My father has to work so much harder than everyone else in his position to keep reaping profits while other organizations are loosing loads of money, one of these mighty battles is that very thing... warez. I thought of the food on the table, the roof over my head, and the clothing on my back. These are the very things that my father fights to provide every single day, and there are people out there who are just trying as hard as they can to destroy that... one of them was me... it hurt and I couldn't sleep for nights until I crawled to my laptop and deleted all the warez things I had downloaded, promising myself that I will try as hard as I can to avoid them, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary, like decoding a msg from an SOS sender.
and I'm sure it goes for every single family here. At some point, your products or the ones of your parents/friends will be stolen and sold for a much cheaper price, or be given for free...
It upsets me... and I had given up supporting warez ages ago. I wish people would see that. I wish people would understand. I wish people wouldn't come around just to destroy every effort people make to keep themselves warm on cold days and full on hungry nights.
Warez... they are the work that doesn't pay. It hurts, and it hurts a lot.
It hurts to walk around some of the more underdeveloped nations, to see the calculators used by market sales people that are the exact name brand of the calculator that my father makes, exact same shape and size... but very much fake in that they don't work really well, but they are dirt cheap, and everyone can afford them.
My father has to work so much harder than everyone else in his position to keep reaping profits while other organizations are loosing loads of money, one of these mighty battles is that very thing... warez. I thought of the food on the table, the roof over my head, and the clothing on my back. These are the very things that my father fights to provide every single day, and there are people out there who are just trying as hard as they can to destroy that... one of them was me... it hurt and I couldn't sleep for nights until I crawled to my laptop and deleted all the warez things I had downloaded, promising myself that I will try as hard as I can to avoid them, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary, like decoding a msg from an SOS sender.
and I'm sure it goes for every single family here. At some point, your products or the ones of your parents/friends will be stolen and sold for a much cheaper price, or be given for free...
It upsets me... and I had given up supporting warez ages ago. I wish people would see that. I wish people would understand. I wish people wouldn't come around just to destroy every effort people make to keep themselves warm on cold days and full on hungry nights.
Warez... they are the work that doesn't pay. It hurts, and it hurts a lot.
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Elfkura
Reply #42 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:54 AM
Reply #42 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:54 AM
Elfkura just got blown away by that last post...
Thank you for putting all that I have ever said into nothing more than just childish phrases, DavidK
Thank you for putting all that I have ever said into nothing more than just childish phrases, DavidK
DavidK
Reply #43 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:07 AM
Reply #43 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:07 AM
The fact is, the entertainment industry was forced to accept the introduction of new technology with the VCR and then was further pressed to grow up by the courts in the "First Sale Doctrine" decision which made it possible to rent movies. In both cases, the industry was proven to be short-sighted and stupid as their share of these new profits was enormous and a new distribution channel for their product emerged.
Elfkura
Reply #44 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:17 AM
Reply #44 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:17 AM
Thank you for putting all that I have ever said into nothing more than just childish phrases, DavidK
--- Elfkura
I didn't write that right, so David thought his post was childish...
No, his two posts made all of mine look childish
--- Elfkura
I didn't write that right, so David thought his post was childish...
No, his two posts made all of mine look childish
kthxbye
Reply #45 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:41 AM
Reply #45 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:41 AM
"If you found out that there were alternatives to fossil fuels available for 30 years "
Again, only marginally related - but if you research the early, history of the automobile - you also find that electricity was the preferred type of power-source for cars by the masses. ^.^
Again, only marginally related - but if you research the early, history of the automobile - you also find that electricity was the preferred type of power-source for cars by the masses. ^.^
IPlural
Reply #47 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:53 AM
Reply #47 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:53 AM
actually for electric cells being so far in the future before being a viable source of power, Mitsubishi has a electric car that does 70 mph for 250 miles before a recharge is needed and it only take 15 minutes from a dead cell to a full rechanrge... sounds more than viable to me, and a solid runner up to replace fossil fueled cars on the streets...
IPlural
Reply #48 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:56 AM
Reply #48 Monday, February 24, 2003 1:56 AM
that was released in a tech news blurb (go figure) on Discovery Science about 9 months ago....
for someone who claims they are researching and funding research into alternatives, seems to me someone isn't looking very hard or far....
all it would take is funding to push it into full production and exportation, hell they could even fund it on the promise it would be built in the US and actually BUILD JOBS for a change instead of allowing them to run to other lands with the jobs while all the time claiming they are building jobs...
for someone who claims they are researching and funding research into alternatives, seems to me someone isn't looking very hard or far....
all it would take is funding to push it into full production and exportation, hell they could even fund it on the promise it would be built in the US and actually BUILD JOBS for a change instead of allowing them to run to other lands with the jobs while all the time claiming they are building jobs...
DavidK
Reply #49 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:12 AM
Reply #49 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:12 AM
That's a great post IPlural, makes you wonder what the priorities are...
There are hydrogen fuel-cell generators that run on "water" and the only emission is "water" and oxygen. The space program has been using hydrogen fuel to generate electricity for decades.
A generator the size of your refrigerator could run your entire house, on "water". When the oil industry decides it's okay to roll out this new stuff (when the oil's all gone I guess) you can be assurred that the hydrogen will NOT be produced in the generator by water but will be sold to you at great expense by the Exxon Hydrogen Co.
There are hydrogen fuel-cell generators that run on "water" and the only emission is "water" and oxygen. The space program has been using hydrogen fuel to generate electricity for decades.
A generator the size of your refrigerator could run your entire house, on "water". When the oil industry decides it's okay to roll out this new stuff (when the oil's all gone I guess) you can be assurred that the hydrogen will NOT be produced in the generator by water but will be sold to you at great expense by the Exxon Hydrogen Co.
IPlural
Reply #50 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:21 AM
Reply #50 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:21 AM
yup... heck, look at the nuke power source that is bread box sized they have had since the mid to late 50's designed to power sattalites and deep space probes. I think it was first put under heavy research back in 1954 and was actually in production before the mid 60's...
I am not saying they should put a bunch of potential dirty bombs on the streets, but if they could do that, what happened to fusion for instance, hydro-generators, etc?
I am not saying they should put a bunch of potential dirty bombs on the streets, but if they could do that, what happened to fusion for instance, hydro-generators, etc?
DavidK
Reply #51 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:35 AM
Reply #51 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:35 AM
There's a police station in NYC that is run by one of those hydrogen generators. It's a five-story building and runs easily with all their phone systems, computers, security, electric jail doors etc etc etc... The generator was a prototype to test the feasability. It converts it's own hydrogen from water. It puts out no toxic pollution or by products. Only water and oxygen are produced as waste. The oxygen probably really helps in NYC...
It was a test case being run by a federally funded research group from Colorado that was developing alternative energy systems to reduce our country's dependance on oil. Two of the scientists at the research center were living in homes totally disconnected from the "grid".
When Dubya became president one of the first things he did (within two months of taking office) was to cut the funding to that research group and shut down their facillities. Only one scientist remained on the project and all the technologies being considered for release to the public were 'classified' for reasons of national security.
It was a test case being run by a federally funded research group from Colorado that was developing alternative energy systems to reduce our country's dependance on oil. Two of the scientists at the research center were living in homes totally disconnected from the "grid".
When Dubya became president one of the first things he did (within two months of taking office) was to cut the funding to that research group and shut down their facillities. Only one scientist remained on the project and all the technologies being considered for release to the public were 'classified' for reasons of national security.
KarmaGirl
Reply #53 Monday, February 24, 2003 9:55 AM
Reply #53 Monday, February 24, 2003 9:55 AM
ElfKura: "I'm going to shut up now and leave this board for a week or two. PMS and admins don't go well together."
All the admins have PMS? Hmmm... that would explain a lot
All the admins have PMS? Hmmm... that would explain a lot
paxx
Reply #54 Monday, February 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Reply #54 Monday, February 24, 2003 10:46 AM
When the government is more worried about protecting the corporations than protecting the consumers, then a lot of wrong things are still legal. The fact that CD's are sold twice the price of what vinyl records were sold at, although they cost a lot less to make, is just another example of LEGAL theft. But theft nevertheless.
Surj
Reply #55 Monday, February 24, 2003 10:47 AM
I'll raise my hand, but guess what, I also have a car full of CD's which I ripped them from, totally legal
Reply #55 Monday, February 24, 2003 10:47 AM
| I wonder how many of the people here that denounce warez have a harddrive full of mp3's and movies? |
I'll raise my hand, but guess what, I also have a car full of CD's which I ripped them from, totally legal
paxx
Reply #56 Monday, February 24, 2003 10:51 AM
Reply #56 Monday, February 24, 2003 10:51 AM
As for MP3's, BTW, I own none.
I don't listen to music on my computer, I prefer to use my stereo.
I don't listen to music on my computer, I prefer to use my stereo.
Elfkura
Reply #57 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:22 PM
Reply #57 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:22 PM
KarmaGirl,
No, I have PMS, and so I tend to be hot-headed, bad mouthed, over all... dramatic mood swings. So, I'm going to try really hard not to ruffle our admins' feathers... they don't like that
No, I have PMS, and so I tend to be hot-headed, bad mouthed, over all... dramatic mood swings. So, I'm going to try really hard not to ruffle our admins' feathers... they don't like that
White_Moth
Reply #58 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:37 PM
PMS, is that anything like PSP, I hope not as I wouldn't want to get something else if I don't need it
Reply #58 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:37 PM
PMS, is that anything like PSP, I hope not as I wouldn't want to get something else if I don't need it
KarmaGirl
Reply #59 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:36 PM
Reply #59 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:36 PM
he he, Elfkura: "So, I'm going to try really hard not to ruffle our admins' feathers... they don't like that" How do you know that? Maybe I like my feathers ruffled
Jake11, nobody wants nor needs PMS
Jake11, nobody wants nor needs PMS
paxx
Reply #60 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:39 PM
Reply #60 Monday, February 24, 2003 2:39 PM
PMS is a myth. Just a handy excuse females have for being in a bad mood.
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Reply #41 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:47 AM
If you found out that there were alternatives to fossil fuels available for 30 years but the oil and power lobbyists have managed to supress the technology to maintain a fossil fuel economy (and thus their own profits) would you think that was ethical? or a good thing for society?
The world tries to change and the guys with all the gold try to prevent it. Reason being, they would have to give up some of their control and change with the flow of technology. The entertainment industry is a great example. When the home video recorder was announced the movie industry (which represents a handfull of corporations) sought legislation to ban the technology. When their lobbyists failed (rare) they brought a case before the Supreme Court to prevent the technology from being offered to the public. The Supreme Court ruled that VCR's offered a beneficial technology to the public and they should be allowed to be sold.
That was the last time the "industry" had to resort to the courts. They got better at bribing government officials (even became gov't officials) and they now pass laws to supress any technology that would cut into their profits, no matter what the benefit to society might be. DAT, MINI DISC and who knows how many other great ideas have been legislated into irrelevant, crippled recording mediums purely to protect the profits of a small number of companies.
The bigger problem that comes from the same mindset and practice of corrupt government involves agencies that are supposed to be looking out for the public's health and welfare being co-opted by big business. A plague of toxins in your food, water and air becomes a certainty when the only "concern" worth considering is the profits of big business.
Another great example, George Bush refusing to sign a treaty banning the production of biological weapons (May, 2001) which had been signed by every Nation at the UN and had been Ratified by 137 Countries. His reason as stated before the world conference "I can't sign this treaty because it would have a negative impact on the bottom line on several American companies, and I can't do that."