Warez, the work that doesn't pay
Sunday, February 23, 2003 by Elfkura | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
You know, I used to support warez, thinking I can get anything off the internet for free even though it costs money to get the real version. That was cool, or so I thought, until I realized just how much this warez thing affected everyone.
It hurts to walk around some of the more underdeveloped nations, to see the calculators used by market sales people that are the exact name brand of the calculator that my father makes, exact same shape and size... but very much fake in that they don't work really well, but they are dirt cheap, and everyone can afford them.
My father has to work so much harder than everyone else in his position to keep reaping profits while other organizations are loosing loads of money, one of these mighty battles is that very thing... warez. I thought of the food on the table, the roof over my head, and the clothing on my back. These are the very things that my father fights to provide every single day, and there are people out there who are just trying as hard as they can to destroy that... one of them was me... it hurt and I couldn't sleep for nights until I crawled to my laptop and deleted all the warez things I had downloaded, promising myself that I will try as hard as I can to avoid them, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary, like decoding a msg from an SOS sender.
and I'm sure it goes for every single family here. At some point, your products or the ones of your parents/friends will be stolen and sold for a much cheaper price, or be given for free...
It upsets me... and I had given up supporting warez ages ago. I wish people would see that. I wish people would understand. I wish people wouldn't come around just to destroy every effort people make to keep themselves warm on cold days and full on hungry nights.
Warez... they are the work that doesn't pay. It hurts, and it hurts a lot.
It hurts to walk around some of the more underdeveloped nations, to see the calculators used by market sales people that are the exact name brand of the calculator that my father makes, exact same shape and size... but very much fake in that they don't work really well, but they are dirt cheap, and everyone can afford them.
My father has to work so much harder than everyone else in his position to keep reaping profits while other organizations are loosing loads of money, one of these mighty battles is that very thing... warez. I thought of the food on the table, the roof over my head, and the clothing on my back. These are the very things that my father fights to provide every single day, and there are people out there who are just trying as hard as they can to destroy that... one of them was me... it hurt and I couldn't sleep for nights until I crawled to my laptop and deleted all the warez things I had downloaded, promising myself that I will try as hard as I can to avoid them, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary, like decoding a msg from an SOS sender.
and I'm sure it goes for every single family here. At some point, your products or the ones of your parents/friends will be stolen and sold for a much cheaper price, or be given for free...
It upsets me... and I had given up supporting warez ages ago. I wish people would see that. I wish people would understand. I wish people wouldn't come around just to destroy every effort people make to keep themselves warm on cold days and full on hungry nights.
Warez... they are the work that doesn't pay. It hurts, and it hurts a lot.
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PMS?, is that like PSP?
da_zman20
Reply #23 Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:18 PM
Reply #23 Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:18 PM
warez, who needs warez??? 
that's good for you Elfkura 
i'm proud of you... I'm trying to maintain my computers good name but once I did have to download a crack for a video game... but I bought the game... and it didn't work... 
so I searched the warez sites for a non cd crack, and it started with a comletely different problem the game still doesn't work, and no one supports it oh well
that's good for you Elfkura 
i'm proud of you... I'm trying to maintain my computers good name but once I did have to download a crack for a video game... but I bought the game... and it didn't work... 
so I searched the warez sites for a non cd crack, and it started with a comletely different problem the game still doesn't work, and no one supports it oh well 
Roy Munson
Reply #24 Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:33 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:33 PM
I wonder how many of the people here that denounce warez have a harddrive full of mp3's and movies? Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of warez but I think maybe some people have the idea that music and video are ok to steal but leave those apps alone! It's interesting to me how one can justify stealing one thing but not another!
Elfkura
Reply #25 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:03 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:03 PM
Warez isn't only what's used on a computer. It can be everything you use in your daily life. As long as someone stole your work, pasted your name/label on it, and sold it much much cheaper... as in "it's really too cheap to be true"... then that too is warez...
No one ever said it was justified but like every topic that are so controversial, there are two sides, pros and cons. It all boils down to human nature, and what one wills to do... for good or for bad.
You bring up a good point, and it is that very fact many refuses to face. Fighting warez have nothing to do with what one says or do. It is the act of denying one did it that is unforgivable. Fighting warez is to face the truth about it, and to learn and grow away from it. "No, I'm not going to use warez" is only a small part of it, but it is definitely a beginning.
No one ever said it was justified but like every topic that are so controversial, there are two sides, pros and cons. It all boils down to human nature, and what one wills to do... for good or for bad.
You bring up a good point, and it is that very fact many refuses to face. Fighting warez have nothing to do with what one says or do. It is the act of denying one did it that is unforgivable. Fighting warez is to face the truth about it, and to learn and grow away from it. "No, I'm not going to use warez" is only a small part of it, but it is definitely a beginning.
kthxbye
Reply #26 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:11 PM
Reply #26 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:11 PM
Hey - I admit it. I have a hard drive full of MP3s. I currently have 19 CDs on my computer, in fact.
But - I have each of the CDs upstairs on my rack - this is just more convinient (and let me make another mp3 CD for the car.)
Nyah.
(Whee! And I gave in to peer pressure and uploaded a desktop picture. Yay! Go me.)
But - I have each of the CDs upstairs on my rack - this is just more convinient (and let me make another mp3 CD for the car.)
Nyah.
(Whee! And I gave in to peer pressure and uploaded a desktop picture. Yay! Go me.)
Elfkura
Reply #27 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:14 PM
Reply #27 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:14 PM
kthxbye, I'm the same way. Where am I going to find Mandarin songs here on the internet? 
Definitely easier if I just rip my own CDs and I don't have to mess with the CD wallet
Definitely easier if I just rip my own CDs and I don't have to mess with the CD wallet
IPlural
Reply #28 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:19 PM
Reply #28 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:19 PM
well, I for one do not have anything that I do not own...
once when I was 12 years old, I used to go up to the local mall and play with the puppies and other pets in the pet dept of the Wollworths, I made friends with the lady who ran the dept and she allowed me to feed and water all the animals and also be the one to take them out of the cages for play time in the back room. I wasn't allowed pets, and wouldn't have had an animal in the house as a pet even if I could. My stepfather was a vicious person and he also happened to breed Sheps and also Dobies for a time and trian them as guard and attack dogs. These were not pets by a long shot.
Anyway, I started to hang out with some kids my age, which was something else that was totally new to me, being a loner all my life up to that specific point, which I soon returned to, I went along to fit in.
So this kid Frank decides while we are at the mall to pick up a skateboard and rid it around in the isles, we left and Frank came out the other doors near the auto dept, he had that skateboard in his hands. It upset me, but wanting to fit *in* I kept my comments to myself and went along with how cool it was.
later that day we went back up to the store and I stopped by and said hello to Jenny and went in and took a pup out of a cage and was petting him when the other guys came down to the doors heading out. I put the pup up and started to leave when the guys came back in the store with a security guard behind them, they pulled their shirts up and each had a water rocket stuffed in their pants their shirts had covered the top part that wouldn't fit into the pants.
So, even though I had no clue what they were goig to do, as I had not been told their goal and had gone to the pet dept, one of them pointed me out as being with them and I was pulled into the mix. Jenny was hurt, mad, and told me to never come back to the store, because she let me off they got off. She thought I had distracted her so they could leae through her dept...
that never left me...
no, I am not a thief, my children are not thiefs, and never will be thiefs, conversly I will give someone my lst dollar if it is what they need, all they have to do is ask, or for me to notice their need, I will do without for the time being.
Honor, personal value in knowing exactly what and who I am ( as much as I can know who I am being DID ) mean more than anyone could being to know. y wife has a good grasp on it though, it is the one thing she said always hit her inthe heart about me, knowing my past, the people I hung with, things I did to survive on the streets for a time, all of it, and yet, I hold people and the good in them as my faith and religion and as with any zelot, I refuse to break my religion which includes, honor, personal value, and never allowing myself to put me in such a position again...
ok, anyway, more info than needed...
once when I was 12 years old, I used to go up to the local mall and play with the puppies and other pets in the pet dept of the Wollworths, I made friends with the lady who ran the dept and she allowed me to feed and water all the animals and also be the one to take them out of the cages for play time in the back room. I wasn't allowed pets, and wouldn't have had an animal in the house as a pet even if I could. My stepfather was a vicious person and he also happened to breed Sheps and also Dobies for a time and trian them as guard and attack dogs. These were not pets by a long shot.
Anyway, I started to hang out with some kids my age, which was something else that was totally new to me, being a loner all my life up to that specific point, which I soon returned to, I went along to fit in.
So this kid Frank decides while we are at the mall to pick up a skateboard and rid it around in the isles, we left and Frank came out the other doors near the auto dept, he had that skateboard in his hands. It upset me, but wanting to fit *in* I kept my comments to myself and went along with how cool it was.
later that day we went back up to the store and I stopped by and said hello to Jenny and went in and took a pup out of a cage and was petting him when the other guys came down to the doors heading out. I put the pup up and started to leave when the guys came back in the store with a security guard behind them, they pulled their shirts up and each had a water rocket stuffed in their pants their shirts had covered the top part that wouldn't fit into the pants.
So, even though I had no clue what they were goig to do, as I had not been told their goal and had gone to the pet dept, one of them pointed me out as being with them and I was pulled into the mix. Jenny was hurt, mad, and told me to never come back to the store, because she let me off they got off. She thought I had distracted her so they could leae through her dept...
that never left me...
no, I am not a thief, my children are not thiefs, and never will be thiefs, conversly I will give someone my lst dollar if it is what they need, all they have to do is ask, or for me to notice their need, I will do without for the time being.
Honor, personal value in knowing exactly what and who I am ( as much as I can know who I am being DID ) mean more than anyone could being to know. y wife has a good grasp on it though, it is the one thing she said always hit her inthe heart about me, knowing my past, the people I hung with, things I did to survive on the streets for a time, all of it, and yet, I hold people and the good in them as my faith and religion and as with any zelot, I refuse to break my religion which includes, honor, personal value, and never allowing myself to put me in such a position again...
ok, anyway, more info than needed...
Elfkura
Reply #29 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:23 PM
Reply #29 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:23 PM
Nah, just more identification that will be applied to the name you use
Roy Munson
Reply #30 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:25 PM
Reply #30 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:25 PM
I think what I'm getting at is that when it's your property that's been ripped off it's a real big deal and it's easy to vilify the culprits! But it seems so easy for those very people to rip and burn movies and music like it is their right of birth! Go to almost any college campus and check out what is on most students hard drives.
Elfkura
Reply #31 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:30 PM
Reply #31 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:30 PM
Like I said, it hurts a lot more when the things that are wrong hits too close to home.
kthxbye
Reply #34 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:34 PM
Reply #34 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:34 PM
You hit it right on the head, Elfkura! Music and videos? Nah - most college guys I've known have had porn collections that took up so much space it made the amount of MP3s I currently have on my system (about 1 1/2 gigs,) seem small!
DavidK
Reply #35 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:34 PM
Reply #35 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:34 PM
DavidK wishes he could get Mandarin mp3's somewhere...
I rip my own CDs too. I tried downloading some stuff from Napster when it first showed up but I hated it, most of the songs were missing the ending or had terrible quality. Anytime I found something I liked I would go buy the CD anyway.
It's interesting that when Napster was going strong, so was the music industry, CD sales were way up. Now, a couple years after Napster was shut down CD sales are way down.
I'm not trying to support file sharing, I don't do it at all anymore. The brief experience I had with Napster was pretty naive, and was just at the beginning of the trend. I stopped doing it long before the controversy just because I didn't like how it worked. But I did think it was a great idea and provided benefits for everyone, including the music industry.
I rip my own CDs too. I tried downloading some stuff from Napster when it first showed up but I hated it, most of the songs were missing the ending or had terrible quality. Anytime I found something I liked I would go buy the CD anyway.
It's interesting that when Napster was going strong, so was the music industry, CD sales were way up. Now, a couple years after Napster was shut down CD sales are way down.
I'm not trying to support file sharing, I don't do it at all anymore. The brief experience I had with Napster was pretty naive, and was just at the beginning of the trend. I stopped doing it long before the controversy just because I didn't like how it worked. But I did think it was a great idea and provided benefits for everyone, including the music industry.
kthxbye
Reply #36 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:40 PM
Reply #36 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:40 PM
"DavidK wishes he could get Mandarin mp3's somewhere... "
Chinese websites? ^_~
Actually - I do admit, I every now and then I get an mp3 or two from a few friends of mine over in europe - that's actually how I've bought most of my CDs though.
They know what I like, and so sometimes I check my email to find a mp3 from a band I've never heard of, or one from a band I know, but from a CD I didn't know they have out.
Then of course - there's the free mp3s bands sometimes offer too.
Chinese websites? ^_~
Actually - I do admit, I every now and then I get an mp3 or two from a few friends of mine over in europe - that's actually how I've bought most of my CDs though.
They know what I like, and so sometimes I check my email to find a mp3 from a band I've never heard of, or one from a band I know, but from a CD I didn't know they have out.
Then of course - there's the free mp3s bands sometimes offer too.
IPlural
Reply #37 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:48 PM
Reply #37 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:48 PM
OH well they have a neat new wrapper for online purchased MP3's for people, the have a tracking wrapper and there is a security consulting company in Atlanta that is tracking every single one and sending the information of who is uploading, downloading, and searching for and finding those suckers. Music industry is going to have a field day in the future....
Internet Weekly, Internet Mag, eWeek, Linux World, and a few others I get here have run stories about it.. so PTP is going to end up being costly for some I am thinking... shouldn't be long before the tech hits downloaded applications. that should be interesting...
though for every issue faced, found out and blocked, 5 - 10 more will be found to counter it I am sure.
Internet Weekly, Internet Mag, eWeek, Linux World, and a few others I get here have run stories about it.. so PTP is going to end up being costly for some I am thinking... shouldn't be long before the tech hits downloaded applications. that should be interesting...
though for every issue faced, found out and blocked, 5 - 10 more will be found to counter it I am sure.
kthxbye
Reply #38 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:58 PM
Reply #38 Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:58 PM
Nature of the beast. Soon as a wrapper or something like that goes into full effect, something will be out there to counter it and render it useless. Betcha anything it only gets used on current new releases - 'pop' releases and the like.
Jafo
Reply #39 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:05 AM
Reply #39 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:05 AM
I could have laid good money on someone mentioning exactly what Roy Munson brought up in his first comment.
A bigger certainty than night following day.
EVERYTIME 'warez' is mentioned, someone will question the hypocrisy of the MP3/Napster 'thing'...how 'EVERYONE' has MP3s stolen from a website/ftp/whatever.
Wrong. 'Many' people may use the quaint argument that the record labels charge too much or some-such.
They can/will charge exactly as much or as little as the market can bear.....and good luck to them, too. It's called 'free enterprise', and entirely within the law.
Napster/Kazaa et al are not. Their sole purpose is to facilitate copyright theft [piracy], though again, as sure as eggs, someone will spit and moan and claim they 'only' use file sharing for legitimate uses....yes, like every man and his dog wants to swap some home-grown proggy, like the renowned 'Babya System', not Photoshop or Maya, etc. [sure....beware porcine aviators, too]...
I personally was glad when Napster went under...and tend to smile when someone gets all upset that Kazaa has spyware, etc. The annoying part is that Kazaa 'should' be the progeny of a social scum under-belly, and not 'Australian'....
Still...at least we can play Cricket well....
A bigger certainty than night following day.
EVERYTIME 'warez' is mentioned, someone will question the hypocrisy of the MP3/Napster 'thing'...how 'EVERYONE' has MP3s stolen from a website/ftp/whatever.
Wrong. 'Many' people may use the quaint argument that the record labels charge too much or some-such.
They can/will charge exactly as much or as little as the market can bear.....and good luck to them, too. It's called 'free enterprise', and entirely within the law.
Napster/Kazaa et al are not. Their sole purpose is to facilitate copyright theft [piracy], though again, as sure as eggs, someone will spit and moan and claim they 'only' use file sharing for legitimate uses....yes, like every man and his dog wants to swap some home-grown proggy, like the renowned 'Babya System', not Photoshop or Maya, etc. [sure....beware porcine aviators, too]...
I personally was glad when Napster went under...and tend to smile when someone gets all upset that Kazaa has spyware, etc. The annoying part is that Kazaa 'should' be the progeny of a social scum under-belly, and not 'Australian'....
Still...at least we can play Cricket well....
kthxbye
Reply #40 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:17 AM
Reply #40 Monday, February 24, 2003 12:17 AM
Though Jafo - it /does/ say something when I can order a CD from europe and get it for cheaper than I can get one up at my local BestBuy...
(No - i'm not condoning anything - just pointing out something only vaguely related)
(No - i'm not condoning anything - just pointing out something only vaguely related
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Reply #21 Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:40 PM