SuSE 8.0 & KDE 3.1
Sunday, February 16, 2003 by kthxbye | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Yup - I haven't been around for a day or so - silly me, I decided to upgrade from KDE 3.0.4 to KDE 3.1 on my SuSE install...
What a nightmare! I've come to the conclusion that not only do I -despise- kpackage (SuSE's own software manager doesn't allow installing from any non-NFS locations) but in the future, anything with -devel on the end, no matter how obscure, is getting installed at installation. Gah!
What a nightmare! I've come to the conclusion that not only do I -despise- kpackage (SuSE's own software manager doesn't allow installing from any non-NFS locations) but in the future, anything with -devel on the end, no matter how obscure, is getting installed at installation. Gah!
kthxbye
Reply #2 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:01 PM
Reply #2 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:01 PM
Yeah - SuSE's software manager only has 3.0.4 so far - even though they offer 3.1 on their website (Ha! But kpackage won't read from their site - for that you have to go through the kde.org site.)
The list of package dependencies is just ridiculous for 3.1 compared to 3.0.4 - at least for the SuSE RPMs.
In the end though - was it all worth the upgrade? I'm really thinking... no. It doesn't seem to have been. The only major differences I've noticed so far have been in the eye-candy department. keramik's nice - but you can use that with 3.0 just fine too. Bah!
The list of package dependencies is just ridiculous for 3.1 compared to 3.0.4 - at least for the SuSE RPMs.
In the end though - was it all worth the upgrade? I'm really thinking... no. It doesn't seem to have been. The only major differences I've noticed so far have been in the eye-candy department. keramik's nice - but you can use that with 3.0 just fine too. Bah!
White_Moth
Reply #3 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:08 PM
Reply #3 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:08 PM
I think I read in one of the Linux mags the very thing you just said. I spent the whole of last summer in Suse, and found it "as is" about all I needed. I do try to keep abreast of any really useful stuff, but yes, after wading through alot of it, there really isn't much there unless your really into development.
kthxbye
Reply #4 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:43 PM
Reply #4 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:43 PM
Yeah - in order for KDE 3.1 to install I had to go through and install about a dozen other development packages of which I have /utterly/ no use for.
Ah well - fortunately, I don't do a whole lost of customization in Linux, and I install from the DVD - so I can simply reinstall in about the same amount of time it would take me to remove the KDE 3.1 packages and reinstall the KDE 3.0 ones, if I wanted.
Ah well - fortunately, I don't do a whole lost of customization in Linux, and I install from the DVD - so I can simply reinstall in about the same amount of time it would take me to remove the KDE 3.1 packages and reinstall the KDE 3.0 ones, if I wanted.
Weaksid
Reply #5 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:54 PM
Reply #5 Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:54 PM
Don't hit me for this but what is KDE and SuSE?
Weaksid thinks to hisself, I should already know this. Then kicks his own @$$
Weaksid thinks to hisself, I should already know this. Then kicks his own @$$
White_Moth
Reply #6 Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:09 PM
Reply #6 Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:09 PM
Suse is a Linux operating system that runs on PCs as a dual boot to your existing Windows OS or as standalone.
KDE is a gui desktop interface that runs inside Suse linux, as also Gnome and all the X systems.
I use Suse 8.0 Professional.
KDE is a gui desktop interface that runs inside Suse linux, as also Gnome and all the X systems.
I use Suse 8.0 Professional.
Weaksid
Reply #7 Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:26 PM
Reply #7 Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:26 PM
Awwww, I C 
, that's the reason I don't know. I haven't touched Linux yet. I will when I go for my web development classes. Hopefully very soon.
, that's the reason I don't know. I haven't touched Linux yet. I will when I go for my web development classes. Hopefully very soon.
White_Moth
Reply #8 Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:32 PM
Reply #8 Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:32 PM
SuSE Linux is open scource which loosley means free. You can download it freely, but I chose to purchase the distribution at all places, a bookstore. It came in a box with 3 manuals, A CD Folder that contained 7CD's and a DVD with all 7 CD's on it. This is much more convenient.
There are numerous programs included on just about anything imaginable.
It is a OS that allows you to define it instead of the other way around, meaning you can get in it and get your hands dirty.
I find it fascinating to play with, and even began to learn "skinning" there.
The whole box cost $68.00 + tax
There are numerous programs included on just about anything imaginable.
It is a OS that allows you to define it instead of the other way around, meaning you can get in it and get your hands dirty.
I find it fascinating to play with, and even began to learn "skinning" there.
The whole box cost $68.00 + tax
kthxbye
Reply #9 Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:17 PM
Reply #9 Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:17 PM
Yup, SuSE 8.0 is what I'm running as well - though I had to pay a bit more, ≈$80 for Professional. Well worth the money though - since Pro's the one that comes with the DVD which makes installation MUCH quicker - and much easier as well.
Sorry Sid, I just had the need to vent about the sheer idiocy I had to go through to update KDE, and then the utter lack of returns I wound up getting out of the deal.
It was even more of a pain than trying to get nVidia's X driver to work on my laptop. (How was I supposed to know that I had to disable EDID, something I hadn't even heard of, in order to run at my native 1024x768 res?
)
Sorry Sid, I just had the need to vent about the sheer idiocy I had to go through to update KDE, and then the utter lack of returns I wound up getting out of the deal.
It was even more of a pain than trying to get nVidia's X driver to work on my laptop. (How was I supposed to know that I had to disable EDID, something I hadn't even heard of, in order to run at my native 1024x768 res?
)
Shakey (the Original)
Reply #10 Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:09 PM
Reply #10 Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:09 PM
One thing that I have found helpful, was to quit using YAST2 when getting online updates. I found and switched over to using fou4s - http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/
It's basically the same thing, just more lightweight since it runs from the command line.
How is KDE 3.1? I have been thinking of updating so that I could try the 'new' Liquid theme from Mosfet. I absolutely love that theme.
It's basically the same thing, just more lightweight since it runs from the command line.
How is KDE 3.1? I have been thinking of updating so that I could try the 'new' Liquid theme from Mosfet. I absolutely love that theme.
kthxbye
Reply #11 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:03 AM
Reply #11 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:03 AM
"How is KDE 3.1? I have been thinking of updating so that I could try the 'new' Liquid theme from Mosfet. I absolutely love that theme"
(Not to revive a dead thread - I just now noticed this comment)
How is KDE 3.1? Well, let's just say I'm glad I'm on cable - because quite frankly, for me, it was a waste of download time. I think at least Konquerer got updated (but it was already a good browser, IMHO!)
Most of the differences I've seen have been in the eye-candy department, and little else. Doesn't seem to run all that more quickly, or even more slowly. There's no huge noteworthy changes that I saw. There isn't even a large difference in load-times, though the new splash screen is nicer.
The default icons are better looking. *chuckles* They're by Carlitus, if I remember. The main reason I switched was because I liked the Keramik look - but enh, that one works just fine in my previous 3.0.4 too!
(Not to revive a dead thread - I just now noticed this comment
)How is KDE 3.1? Well, let's just say I'm glad I'm on cable - because quite frankly, for me, it was a waste of download time. I think at least Konquerer got updated (but it was already a good browser, IMHO!)
Most of the differences I've seen have been in the eye-candy department, and little else. Doesn't seem to run all that more quickly, or even more slowly. There's no huge noteworthy changes that I saw. There isn't even a large difference in load-times, though the new splash screen is nicer.
The default icons are better looking. *chuckles* They're by Carlitus, if I remember. The main reason I switched was because I liked the Keramik look - but enh, that one works just fine in my previous 3.0.4 too!
kthxbye
Reply #13 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:36 AM
Reply #13 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:36 AM
Ick.
Don't like Gnome. (And that's all I have to say about it. It's the whole 'personal preferences' thing again.)
Don't like Gnome. (And that's all I have to say about it. It's the whole 'personal preferences' thing again.)
paxx
Reply #14 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:25 PM
Reply #14 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:25 PM
Probabl a configuration thing but when I loaded KDE on my system, the fonts and the icons weren't antialiased. I went Yuk! and loaded Gnome back immediately.
kthxbye
Reply #16 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:52 PM
Reply #16 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:52 PM
If I remember correctly - antialiasing is a toggleable option in KDE - just where is the option? Don't remember offhand, in Windows ATM.
Windows or at least Object Dock (or something!) needs to support SVG icons. *sighs*
Windows or at least Object Dock (or something!) needs to support SVG icons. *sighs*
IPlural
Reply #17 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:10 PM
Reply #17 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:10 PM
SVG wiould be fantastic for sure.... across the board, ah, screen
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Reply #1 Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:56 PM