Will things ever change?

Monday, January 20, 2003 by Keila | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I just saw a segment on Good Morning America where they spoke to two groups of very young children White/Black "terms they used". They were asked mostly about their feelings about the other group and the answers were sad enough. The reason I am writing this is because of one question given and the answers received.
Question... " Wouldn't it be nice if you could not see the color of people and everyone was just all mixed up."
Answer... " That would be really, really bad."
Question..." Why?"
Answer... " Because then you would not know who your friends were."

This is not a thread to be answered in any way, I think one emoticon sums it all up.
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Weaksid
Reply #21 Monday, January 20, 2003 3:47 PM
Snarph went for the lyrics of the song I suggested.. Thanks.
werewolf
Reply #22 Monday, January 20, 2003 3:49 PM
I'm a Norwegian-Scottish-English-Irish-American...my kids are all that plus Commanche.

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snarph
Reply #23 Monday, January 20, 2003 4:22 PM
no problem weaksid today Martin Luther King day kinda appropriate
Angel_Wings
Reply #24 Monday, January 20, 2003 4:42 PM
I'd hate to be colorblind...I'd miss out on all the beautiful and diverse shades of skins...AND skinz

Angel_Wings digs all the shades, baby... many forms of beauty are everywhere you look just so long as you're lookin'

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snarph
Reply #25 Monday, January 20, 2003 5:01 PM
In remembrance


I Have A DreamI Have A Dream
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand,
signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great
beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the
flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long
night of captivity.
But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is
still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile
in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the
architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and
the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which
every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be
guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar
as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred
obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check --- a check which has
come back marked "insufficient funds". But we refuse to believe that the bank of
justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in
the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this
check --- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the
security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America
of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling
off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make
real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and
desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the
time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time
to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of
brotherhood.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to
underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the
Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating
autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a
beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now
be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as
usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is
granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake
the foundation of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm
threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our
rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to
satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and
hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and
discipline. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting
physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed
the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many
of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to
realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is
inextricably bound to our freedom. We can not walk alone.
And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot
turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "when
will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the
victim of unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as
long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the
motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as
long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We
can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro
in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not
satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and
righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and
tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have
come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of
persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the
veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned
suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back
to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our
northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and
frustrations of the moment I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in
the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed --- "We hold these these truths to be self evident, that
all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former
slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at
the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state
sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into
an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where
they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their
character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are
presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be
transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be
able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as
sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and
mountain shall be made low, and rough places will be made plains, and the
crooked places will be made straight,and the glory of the Lord shall be
revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the south. With this
faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope.
With this faith will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation
into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to
work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together,
to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new
meaning "My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land
where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let
freedom ring."
And if America is to be a great nation this must come true. So let freedom ring
from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty
mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of
Pennsylvania.
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado.
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California.
But not only that --- let freedom ring from Stone Mountain in Georgia.
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every
mountainside, let freedom ring.
When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every
hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day
when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,
Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of
the old Negro spiritual,
Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
werewolf
Reply #26 Monday, January 20, 2003 5:08 PM
sheesh, I'm crying.... I miss him.

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Bangkokboy
Reply #27 Monday, January 20, 2003 8:34 PM
left Texas in the sixties to go to Vietnam. Came home to Texas with some emotional reservations in the mid-nineties, thinking i would be back to seeing things that i don't want to see. was greatly pleased that many things have indeed changed in a very positive way.
Old_Crab
Reply #28 Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:28 AM
What about Crabs? They're people too! Fellow life-forms. All this diversity. One planet. Out in the back-waters of the galaxy. Are we being watched? Huh? Old Crab grew up in a very racist and biased home. Old South. Perceptions change very slowly. As I know I myself show alot of racist attitudes unintentionally. Especially today with the media and info age constantly bombarding me with race differentials and holidays for every race and all. Don't mean to offend any life-forms but thats this world and it probably will never change now or ever. All this stuff is constantly being shoved down peoples throats about equality and all, everyone has to be the same, all grey. This shoving and brow-beating of other people about their attitudes and personal beliefs is what alot of people find offensive. Old Crabs a racist, right? Wrong. Changed most of my beliefs a long time ago without having all the trash shoved down my throat. My best man at my wedding was Jarvis a black man, my wife was Tex-Mex, and the ministers were Catholic and Protestant. Just behave yourselves and treat everyone else the same as you'd like to be treated. Where'd I get that from? That message was sent down quite awhile back and it's still being ignored by alot of folks. Just my 2 cents worth. Hmmn..make that a nickle worth.
The Rated PG
Reply #29 Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:01 AM
Someone sent me this email one time. Don't know what to make of it.

Walter Williams

What I celebrate as a source of pride and self-esteem is the fact that I have brown eyes. You say, "Williams, that goes to prove what we've been saying all along. You're a lunatic. Is having brown eyes some kind of accomplishment?" Such a response is proof positive that you've missed out on an important part of today's college education.
Diversity worship and multiculturalism are currency and cause for celebration at just about any college. If one is black, brown, yellow or white, the prevailing thought is that he should take pride and celebrate that fact even though, just as in the case of my eye color, he had nothing to do with it. The multiculturalist and diversity crowd see race as an achievement. In my book, race might be an achievement, worthy of considerable celebration, only if a person was born white and through his effort and diligence became black.
For the multiculturalist/diversity crowd, culture, ideas, customs, arts and skills are a matter of racial membership where one has no more control over his culture than his race. That's a racist idea, but it's politically correct racism. It says that one's convictions, character and values are not determined by personal judgment and choices but genetically determined. In other words, as yesteryear's racists held: Race determines identity.
The multiculturists are right in saying that in a just society, people of all races and cultures should be equal in the eyes of the law. But their argument borders on idiocy when they argue that one culture cannot be judged superior to another and to do so is Eurocentrism. For them, different cultural values are morally equivalent. That's unbridled nonsense. Ask your multiculturalist friends: Is forcible female genital mutilation, as practiced in nearly 30 sub-Saharan African and Middle Eastern countries, a morally equivalent cultural value? Slavery is practiced in Northern Sudan; is it morally equivalent? In most of the Middle East, there are numerous limits placed on women such as prohibitions on driving, employment and education. Under Islamic law, in some countries, women adulterers face death by stoning, and thieves face the punishment of having their hand severed. Are these cultural values morally equivalent, superior or inferior to ours?
Western values are superior to all others. Why? The indispensable achievement of the West was the concept of individual rights. It's the idea that individuals have certain inalienable rights, and individuals do not exist to serve government but governments exist to protect these inalienable rights. It took until the 17th century for that idea to arrive on the scene and mostly through the works of British philosophers such as John Locke and David Hume.
While Western values are superior to all others, one need not be a Westerner to hold Western values. A person can be Chinese, Japanese, Jewish, African or Arab and hold Western values. It's no accident that Western values of reason and individual rights have produced unprecedented health, life expectancy, wealth and comfort for the ordinary person. There's an indisputable positive relationship between liberty and standards of living.
Western values are by no means secure. They're under ruthless attack by the Liberal academic elite on college campuses across America. These people want to replace personal liberty with government control; they want to replace equality with entitlement; they want to halt progress in the name of protecting the environment. As such, they pose a much greater threat to our way of life than any terrorist or rogue nation.
Multiculturalism and diversity are a cancer on our society, and, ironically, with our tax dollars and charitable donations, we're feeding it.


Walter Williams is a nationally syndicated columnist.


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paxx
Reply #30 Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:17 AM
Wow... I'm speachless.
While I tend to agree with the beginning of that column, I strongly disagree with the end.
There are cultural differences in the world, and our culture is by no means not perfect, nor immuable. Multicultiral differences are good, as it encourages individual cultural growth.
But I don't see skin colour as a cultural trait. You may be black and just as Canadian as I am, just like you can be white and, if raised in Mali for example, be just as African as any other Malian.
As for individual liberty being replaced by government control, to protect the environment for example, that is total nonsense. Without regulations, we'll have no planet to live on in 10 years... if we're still alive at all.
Jafo
Reply #31 Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:35 AM
While Western values are superior to all others,


What a load of crap.
Rare, quality drivel....
snarph
Reply #32 Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:02 PM
duh!
craeonics
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:35 AM
craeonics observes the ants on Planet Barbaria from his vessel orbiting the planet

"Western Values" are considered to be the standard because the West dominates the world. If China would have all the money, "Chinese Values" would be considered superior.

Anyhow, as long as people keep seeing themselves (or their culture) as superior to others nothing will ever change.

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