"One being competing master skinners rating them low"
Wow that is even more fucked than me creating a newbie account to express myself openly.

If it does not trouble you ID would you mind telling us the minimum price that could be set for a MS or would that be 4.99USD then?

I will throw my comment on this also. I know for fact that some people just look at the screen shot and if they don't like the style, color, etc. They low rate it. If they don't like you they low rate it.

Use the screen shot and if you like it and it's a free skin try it and them rate it. That is very seldom done as it's done as I stated above. One should not purchase or download a free skin because of the star rating. It's what your eyes see in the SS but it shouldn't be rated down because you don't like what you see. Just move on and let it go but that doesn't happen all the time. What I'm saying is if you don't like the cover of a book doesn't mean it isn't good. Also doesn't mean that free skins aren't good either. There are many very good ones available along with good Master skins.

"Wow that is even more fucked than me creating a newbie account to express myself openly."

lol, they both are. Are you saying that you give a rats ass about what people think of your opinion's to the point that you need to hide behind a fake account?

More to the point of the topic I think the way it is now works. If a MS is priced 3 times more than others I probably won't buy it unless it is a skin I really want. There is nothing wrong with that. There are many things I would like to have that I cannot afford and sometimes I buy them anyway because I want it. One of the skins people have been talking about I did not buy until the price was reduced and then I purchased it and I have no problem saying so. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

Please,no name calling. I just cannot see where are these presumptions come from when you did not really know all of expenditures and endeavors both Stardock and Skinners made. It's nothing about the price,the usabilities of Stardock applications and demographics count which I did not question your price tags but the volume. As I mentioned,if you can guarantee the volume/quantity,then you talked with skinners about the price. Otherwise,its skinners and Stardock's choices.

I did not say "forever",its "always",please get that right. And it's a common sense,no need of little fantasy,creative parts of your own brain.

Nope,I meant an App on Android platform not software on Windows (of applications).

Buying and selling are different things,you know...............

Exactly,I don't know either. But I am not the one who said lowering the prices as App (on Adroid) will/should increase the sale. You don't have experiences to sell skins on App (on Android platform),no intention to sell skins in here,but suggestions with that proposal?? How convincible is that !!

 This will be my last entry on this subject as it seems the status quo will remain the same, and if the Master Skinners are happy I'm tickled pink.

Here is a figure that will blow your mind. I recently went on the Rocketdock website to see some of what was new. The original STACK DOCKLET was created in 2007 and is still one of the most popular downloads on that site. The person who created it offered it for free. BUT, if he had offered it for say even $0.25 he would have made  ---  $1,055,294  ----- as of today it has had 4,221,176 downloads and still counting.(for the disbelievers go to the rocketdock website and check it out for yourselves) TARGET PRICING IS EVERYTHING.

 I have a sister in the New York/New Jersey area who is an accomplished artist/painter. She has been featured in magazines, and galleries in New York. Some of her works command a hefty price tag. She has her own Studio where she teaches, and invites other featured artists as guest teachers. She doesn't make a living just off those ventures. She will do personal portraits or whatever the customer has in mind. The one thing that helps her income is she takes selected personal paintings and are offers them as prints at a reasonable reduced price. The original would be far too expensive plus it's only one painting - one payday. Residuals from prints supplement her income. So I know a little bit about starving artists, as she worked her ass off to get where she is today.

 As far as Neone6, and the other Master Skinners, I respect the work that goes into making a skin, as I have downloaded many skins since 2007. I choose my skins based on APPEARENCE and USABILITY, not *****.  EVERYONE says he has the right to set the price as he deems worthy no one is arguing that debate. But at the same time he should be able to sell it also at a LOWER price to make some real actual money. I've made no guarantees about projected sales in any way, just theories and some humble marketing skills. But I do guarantee one thing, that is if the prices were lowered, I know I would be making future purchase --- which right now is money you don't have.

 Gaspershooters says their work is being pirated. (I don't and never will do Torrents.) I went and did a little research on a few torrent sites and sure enough Windows Blinds and skins are on their boards. Only thing is the uploads are as far back as 7 years ago, absolutely nothing recent. I don't think you'll be seeing anymore uploads of Window Blinds again. You still have not contributed a solution just drama queen rants. And as far as name calling wasn't it YOU who responded referencing me as Child. Go pound sand.

 Island Dog says their are not enough Master Skins Purchasers. REALLY!! THAT'S THE STORY YOU WANT TO GO WITH??? Of course there not, not at the current prices they are now. Looking at data and making poor assumptions is one thing, doing a BETA testing on a new policy is something else.  What have you got to lose ---NOTHING!  But of course we CAN'T lower prices, because we WON'T, or we DON'T WANT TO. Island Dog answered or addressed a few questions, but not all of them. Why not make a comment on the other issues or ideas I brought up? We are all waiting.

 I had a young man work for me years ago, decent man, hard worker. His only flaw was he couldn't read.  I challenged him and called him a LOSER. He wasn't a loser because he couldn't read, he was a loser because he NEVER TRIED. That is how I define LOSERS, THOSE WHO NEVER TAKE THEIR BEST SHOT. Neone6 and Vampothika at least had the STONES to try something different. Bravo!!  (By the way--- that young man had a private tutor and did indeed learn to read. I wrote him and congratulated him on a job well done.

END OF LINE

 Speculations.....

Facts:

-My goal set for amount of units sold is already met.
-My goal for revenue on this suite is already met.
-My hope for positive critique on these skins are already met.

All I hoped for my first Release as a Masterskinner has already been achieved and it hasn't even been a month since upload.

You do the math.

A big thanks to all my supporters/fans.

neone6

Your sister's story is very compelling,I admired her accomplishment. But you seem kept insisting lower prices would have meant more sales based on theories/no guarantees.....................but only guaranteed with lower prices you,personally,would pay.

Rocketdock is a very old dock software and free which has been ceased no development at long time ago,therefore no active supports. And did you know any docklet charged in the past?? You seem like to propose somethings without solid statistics.

When I said usabilities is meant usage (the amount of Stardock applications,not functionality). Sorry the misnomer.

Not truth,I afraid. I think Stardock and Skinners knew that.

Child can be churlish/naive/innocent,you can perceive whatsoever,but I am not going to change that as I kept reading your theories/no guarantees.....

I think he did try to explain to you what are the issues but you kept proposing somethings out of the thin air.

I tell you what,if you are so insisting on testing,why don't you make your skin,put it on the sale or even better,persuade one of master skinners to do so. Later show the statistics,as long as numbers told,I think majority of skinners cannot resist the cash flow as you have proposed did work.

So other master skinners are suck when they insist on price tags they like?? Way to go........

Great idea. Make your own Windowblind and see how it goes at .99. 

Oh, sorry you can't do that as only Masters can upload for sale. 

Have to love these people that tell everyone else what they should do or better yet work when they can't do it their-self.

As far as the 5 for $20. That can't be done for several reasons. One would be there is a upload size limit and 5 skins would be way over the limit. Also if as you say the person wanting to buy could pick the 5 they want. That part is fine but now this is uploaded (which can't be done) How would anyone else no what 5 skins are included. Sure aren't going to do that on one screen shot and to show 5 of them is impossible. As far as the upload space limit. After all you may want that changed also but it is Stardock's site and bandwidth. There has to be a limit somewhere.

Good for you Andrew and very happy for you. Well earned and deserved.

I'll second that.

I'll third it!

Thanks  Guys, you know this game better than most so...

That's utter crap....something possibly imagined by the non-creative....particularly when you consider the dross that passes for modern 'music' - synthesized drivel for doof-doof nightclubs.

Skinning [depending on the particular application] can take weeks or months....whilst modern music is 3 chords set on repeat [if you're lucky].

That isn't going to be a reality.  4 million downloads of a freebie does NOT make $1 million at 25c.

You can be absolutely CERTAIN that if it were 25c the number of PURCHASES would have been perhaps 1000.   The time and effort involved for a purchaser to actually go through the motions negates/dissuades most of the 'potential' market.

Now, with that as a more believable sale history...gee...$250 over how many years?....8?  Time to retire....

Fiddle with realistic sales levels...even slanted more as 'success' ...10 thousand....and it might even get to $300 a year.....

 Still a dead loss.

Duplicate accounts are not permitted.  This one is now defunct.

Hello I was told to check out this topic    
and this once again moved me to login and reply

Some good suggestions were made, sadly you guys speak to the wrong group.
These guys are settled and you do waste your precious time by trying to convince them to try it.

One thing I have learned here, never submit a proposal to a Skinner/"MASTER" that does not go in their direction, productive or not you end up as the uncreative fool. Only comment if you have to say something nice everything else is unwanted.
DO not do it, even if you´re experienced and had success doing so they will know better.
Some might say they were not born into life, no they simply appeared out of a fine haze of Dior blessed with wisdom.

However you may find some actual Masters and skinners here that are more open minded and will at least think about it without being snotty or telling you to become a master yourself first.

"That's utter crap....something possibly imagined by the non-creative....particularly when you consider the dross that passes for modern 'music' - synthesized drivel for doof-doof nightclubs."

Perfect example^
The compare was good, stop pounding a square peg into a round hole.
Doubtful the compare was about “sh;tmusic” and a skin, it was obviously about music and a skin done for windowblinds.
Questionable whether there is any comparison that would be accepted here

OK, I'll elaborate...it was 'utter crap' expounded by someone without the intestinal fortitude to post it under his real user name.  Criticism from the anonymous.

The 'compare' was NOT good.  There is no correlation between a Windowblinds skin [or any other kind for a computer GUI] and a piece of music for digital purchase/download.  Certainly NOT by market penetration, no matter what the price-point.

IF there were the same number of people on the planet with Windowblinds [or any other GUI/program skinnable] as there are with iTunes [or whatever] then there MIGHT be validation of the comparison, but there isn't so it's not.

Why, pray tell must Masters and skinners be open minded to price placement discussion?  Does your Grocer engage in jovial intercourse about what you'd like to see him charging for the bread you buy?

What....$4 million for that Jackson Pollock?  You can't be serious....it should be $500....he'll sell more...

This is totally biased. Money-wise,of course sellers want higher prices,whereas buyers want lower prices. I did not question/doubt the price tags as a user,but quantities. If you propose to master skinners about how many skins you're going to buy,I believe there would has more negotiation space than just one skin per person because the market for Windowblinds skinning is a niche which unlike songs. But,again,I am not a skinner,nor an Stardock of employee,even with good quantities,they may not budge on the prices,its their choices.  If you like to propose/being persuasive,at least being practical on the numbers. 

Maybe. How about you do the work,tell us which master skinner is willing to bite. I am,personally,curious about that and it's beneficial for us as users/buyers. 

This is totally a farce,same thing is looping again and again...... My last comments pertain to this topic. 

Not really...he's dead.

Besides...how much talent does it take to put paint in a can with a hole in it tie it to a string from a rafter and set it swinging? Right? Anyone could do it.

And he'd sell even more at $0.99/per...just dilute the paint.

RE: Neon6

"Facts:

-My goal set for amount of units sold is already met.
-My goal for revenue on this suite is already met.
-My hope for positive critique on these skins are already met. "

Your goal for the amount of units sold must have been miniscule indeed.

The revenue you made on this suite wouldn't buy you an ounce of B.C. Bud,  'Roller.'

Your hope for positive critique was only met because you had Negative Comments (such as mine) removed. -censored-

and they were much tamer and less personal than the posts on this thread.

and LightStar,  you are a liar, and came back twice to this thread to resume your Front-man role for this

dis-ingenuine, manipulative poser.