And Another Reason Why Apple IS Despicable
damned walled garden
Friday, December 5, 2014 by starkers | Discussion: Personal Computing
I really wanted to take a shot at Google today but couldn't find anything newsworthy or damning.
However, I found the next best thing...
a damning indictment on Apple... something it oughta be fechin' ashamed of but instead is defending.
Yup, the mother-whats-its [insert expletive here] created software to delete competitors music purchased by users from their iPods and other fechen i devices.
Despicable ain't the word for it! Try downright fechen criminal... and Apple is trying to justify it by saying it was for customers own good.
For security reasons my arse!
Worse still, there was no explanation... nothing. Nope, the head of Apple security treated customers like dumbarses [and probably some are/were] by saying an explantion would have been confusing... and therefore their purchases were just wiped away.
Bastards, that's all I gotta say, dirty rotten criminal bastards.
So what say you, peoples of Stardock, etc?
Reply #2 Friday, December 5, 2014 5:40 AM
if i remember correctly this happened when people used third-party software to add DRM protected music from elsewhere and that messed up the iPod's database and then the repair routine kicked in.
it was a non-issue back then. now it's just lawyers looking for money. might work.
Reply #3 Friday, December 5, 2014 1:01 PM
I have currently about 7GB of music on my iphone and i dont recall just a single mp3 ever being deleted from there against my will for whatever reason. And you can bet utter majority of those mp3s were not bought from iTunes. So this is basically non-issue - unlike other things, like for example iphone going all hot and draining battery like crazy while using wifi on iOS 8.1. Thats a thing that needs attention of media, so it gets fixed.
Reply #4 Friday, December 5, 2014 4:35 PM
Better yet, never but another Apple product, ever!
Reply #5 Friday, December 5, 2014 7:16 PM
Only 'Apple' thing I own is a 2C ...paid $5 for the whole thing...and I still think it was overpriced as a bookend....![]()
Reply #7 Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:44 AM
It's a simple 'curiosity' [dust collector].... just like the mantel piece valve radio my old man got going again.... great if you want to listen to AM. [I don't].
I once threw out a genuine IBM XT and since rued the day...as an exact copy resides in our Museum beside CSIRAC [the world's only surviving 1st gen computer].
Reply #8 Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:30 AM
It's a simple 'curiosity' [dust collector]
I have a few dust collectors of my own that I likely will never throw out... like an old fob watch of my grandfather's. It no longer works, but it is the only thing I have of his, and when I look at it I am reminded of what a great man he was.... brings back many fond memories.
As for keeping 'something' Apple as a curiosity/dust collector, I'd personally use it as a speed bump somewhere.
Reply #9 Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:22 AM
It's a simple 'curiosity' [dust collector].... just like the mantel piece valve radio my old man got going again.... great if you want to listen to AM. [I don't].
I once threw out a genuine IBM XT and since rued the day...as an exact copy resides in our Museum beside CSIRAC [the world's only surviving 1st gen computer].
Wow! I'm feeling old,I used to work with IBM XT's. I even worked on Zenith computers before they shut down in the US. Ahhhh, the old 8086, 80286, 80386 and 80486's..... I remember them well.
Reply #10 Saturday, December 6, 2014 6:44 PM
Wow! I'm feeling old,I used to work with IBM XT's. I even worked on Zenith computers before they shut down in the US. Ahhhh, the old 8086, 80286, 80386 and 80486's..... I remember them well.
Yes...I've had and used XTs...ATs.. 286/386/486/P1/P2/P4/P4/i5/i7.....and started on a Fortran mainframe in the late 60's ...![]()
At least I can say the CSIRAC was almost 'old' when I was born...![]()
Reply #11 Saturday, December 6, 2014 7:37 PM
I had an IBM machine in my PC infancy [was the 2nd machine I ever owned... and I've had a couple dozen since]
Dunno if it was an XT or not, but it was a P2 1.8ghz and had 512mb RAM... like wow, it was a flyer.
Not really, which is why I invested in a build of my own when the opportunity arose.
I sold the IBM in working order with monitor, keyboard and mouse for $150 to help finance the new build.... a P4 with 2gb RAM
Reply #12 Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:10 PM
Dunno if it was an XT or not, but it was a P2 1.8ghz and had 512mb RAM... like wow, it was a flyer.
It wasn't an XT.
If you were lucky you had one of those with an expansion card about 18" long that gave you ONE MEG of ram.
They typically were green-screens with a 20meg harddrive.
Some time before then a certain person said you'd never need any more than the 640k ram.....
Reply #13 Saturday, December 6, 2014 11:48 PM
Quoting starkers,
reply 11
Dunno if it was an XT or not, but it was a P2 1.8ghz and had 512mb RAM... like wow, it was a flyer.
It wasn't an XT.
Like I said, I don't recall what model it was, just that it was an IBM and had a nice bootscreen [compared to the Windows equielant]
In fact, it was quite a decent PC in its day... Apple could have learn't quite alot if it had taken the time to care [read: give a shit].
Anyway, this thread isn't about how good IBM was/is, but about how bad Apple is and always will be.
So people, please feel free to diss Apple... whenever you can; wherever you can; for whatever reason you can.
The more the merrier.
Doesn't have to be legitimate... or even real, just diss because you can... because you fechen want to.
No excuses needed... just do it because it feels good.
Oh, and ID, I know that you have alot of Apple products on your desk, so please don't feel obliged to join in... unless you want to, that is.
So there, owners of Apple tech are more than welcome to say their piece about the things that piss them off about Apple's walled garden and other quirks/peculiarities the company has regarding users want, needs, rights, etc.
Reply #14 Monday, December 15, 2014 8:32 PM
iTunes and my son's and wife's experience with it is the reason I do not go near Apple products. My wife has some home movies that itunes tries to delete. So instead of an iPad, I got her a Kindle Fire HD. It actually is better for what she wants to use it for.
Apple has some good things. iTunes is not one of them.
Reply #15 Monday, December 15, 2014 8:36 PM
If you were lucky you had one of those with an expansion card about 18" long that gave you ONE MEG of ram.
I do not think the XT did 1mb. The AT did. It was a 286 that started at 8mhz and went up from there. We used a 16mhz AT for our first file server (it also had 4mb of RAM and ran Novell Netware). It had a 33mb external HD that sounded like a jet taxiing , and was the size of a small pig. It died after 1 year.
Ah, the fun of early PCs.
Reply #16 Monday, December 15, 2014 9:31 PM
I do not think the XT did 1mb.
Yes it did...via a monster of an expansion card....like one of those old full-size VGA cards only twice as long.
It had a 20meg drive and a green screen.
Prior to that one I'd been given an XT 'clone' that had a 40meg drive and a Monochrome monitor.
The IBM XT looked like this one...

Reply #17 Monday, December 15, 2014 10:10 PM
Yea, that is the XT! And you are correct. It was the plane jane PC that did not do the 1mb cards. Time dulls memories.
But I had one customer in 1991 who wanted me to upgrade one of those suckers to accept a 3.5" floppy! Because the damn thing would not die!
Reply #18 Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:37 AM
It had a 33mb external HD that sounded like a jet taxiing
That reminded me of something that I had completely forgotten about and actually made me chuckle a little bit-
Somewhere around the XT/AT era I had a parallel port tape drive backup. That sucker would whir furiously, then slow down some, then whir furiously, the stop, clunk around a little, whir some more, and on and on.
To follow your analogy, it sounded like a partying pilot was relentlessly trying to park a 747 into a horse stall.
I'll give the thing credit though, it did actually work pretty well.
Reply #20 Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:19 AM
I really wanted to take a shot at Google today but couldn't find anything newsworthy or damning.
However, I found the next best thing...
Yup, the mother-whats-its [insert expletive here] created software to delete competitors music purchased by users from their iPods and other fechen i devices.
Despicable ain't the word for it! Try downright fechen criminal... and Apple is trying to justify it by saying it was for customers own good.
For security reasons my arse!
Worse still, there was no explanation... nothing. Nope, the head of Apple security treated customers like dumbarses [and probably some are/were] by saying an explantion would have been confusing... and therefore their purchases were just wiped away.
Bastards, that's all I gotta say, dirty rotten criminal bastards.
So what say you, peoples of Stardock, etc?
Please do not bash apple in the forums without a warrant. Downright fechen criminal.
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Reply #1 Friday, December 5, 2014 5:12 AM
Well...they only deleted the competition's music "for your own good". I'd post a picture, but I'm too tired to shop a transparent apple, mate.
As Al-Qaida/Boko Haram/Shish Kabob/etc. would say, "We only kidnapped and murdered your family for your own good."
What a wonderful world, with so many folks caring about your good, isn't it?
Some non-Apple music: