This OD shit dosn't work really
Thursday, December 5, 2002 by swinbit | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
It is only eyecandy, but I can't work on the computer anymore...Menues dosn`t work, it steals so much perfomance.
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migellito
Reply #22 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:49 PM
Reply #22 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:49 PM
brad.. what's a good link for a technical discussion of the major bonuses of xp.. like how it doesn't use shared memory the way 98 and me do?
sig101
Reply #23 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:53 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:53 PM
Put some seatbelts on, mick before you hurt yourself. 
sig101
Reply #25 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:56 PM
Reply #25 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:56 PM
Here's a good site with some info re: memory mgt in 9X, XP:
http://www.aumha.org/index.htm
http://www.aumha.org/index.htm
mickboni
Reply #27 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:11 PM
Reply #27 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:11 PM
I know, Sig. Just wanted to bring in a little of my own bad humour. 
pjpowell
Reply #28 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:24 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:24 PM
ExplorerRPG: You seem to be completely ignoring the whole resources issue on 98/ME. This is one of the main reasons when someone on this site complains the software is buggy they are advised to install something other than 9x/ME. It's a fact that running a few customisation apps on 98pjpowell can really use up your resources. And when you hit a certain amount of used resources 98 goes extremely screwy. As a developer you will probably know that XP/2000 don't have that issue because they are not constrained in the same way. I have seen an app on 98 that was leaking resources badly take the system down to 20% in less than a minute. The results were not pretty as fonts changed to ugly system ones and it finally crashed hard. Just for kicks I put the same thing on XP and monitored it. After monitoring it for a few minutes I went to sleep and checked in the morning. All was still fine and no sign of crashing although the handles shown in Taskmanager had risen somewhat). Admittedly this was an extreme case but it does show one very vital difference between the two when you are talking about using customisation apps that alter other apps and could potentially cause a very slow leaking app to leak faster.
Personally I use XP. Why? Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, ICS (just 3 of many reasons). It just does the stuff I need out of the box without hassle. Maybe I'm strange but I like XP. I prefer it to 2000, 98 linux and just about any other OS I've ever used. Yes maybe it is possible to keep 98pjpowell from having problems by tweaking and not installing certain apps etc but I don't want to have to mess with my OS all the time. I want to install what I want when I want it.
I did read the 'information' you posted on the other site linked to above and frankly it was hilarious. The whole Windows keeping files in memory so it can replace them when you delete them was particularly funny. Sorry but you may be a developer but that link does not aid your argument of you being extremely knowledgable about the Windows ME or windows in general. Have you actually ever used XP? I'm just curious whether you speak from experience or from reading scare stories from other sites?
btw you may want to read this: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/archive/sfp/WinME_sfp.asp
Please note when it says it restores the original file it does not mean that it restores it from memory. It actually stores it in a folder on your hard disk. On XP it's called dllcache and can be found under C:\windows\System32\ in most cases. Not sure on ME but suspect it's similar.
Personally I use XP. Why? Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, ICS (just 3 of many reasons). It just does the stuff I need out of the box without hassle. Maybe I'm strange but I like XP. I prefer it to 2000, 98 linux and just about any other OS I've ever used. Yes maybe it is possible to keep 98pjpowell from having problems by tweaking and not installing certain apps etc but I don't want to have to mess with my OS all the time. I want to install what I want when I want it.
I did read the 'information' you posted on the other site linked to above and frankly it was hilarious. The whole Windows keeping files in memory so it can replace them when you delete them was particularly funny. Sorry but you may be a developer but that link does not aid your argument of you being extremely knowledgable about the Windows ME or windows in general. Have you actually ever used XP? I'm just curious whether you speak from experience or from reading scare stories from other sites?
btw you may want to read this: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/archive/sfp/WinME_sfp.asp
Please note when it says it restores the original file it does not mean that it restores it from memory. It actually stores it in a folder on your hard disk. On XP it's called dllcache and can be found under C:\windows\System32\ in most cases. Not sure on ME but suspect it's similar.
bakerstreet
Reply #29 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:49 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:49 PM
JM: nope, against league rules. We'll be rootin' for ya in the 'special' duals, though. This XP guy seems your speed, tell him that Bryce runs better on XP.
JamMeister33
Reply #30 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:50 PM
Reply #30 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:50 PM
Personally, I think that anyone who tries to argue that WinMe is better than WinXP shouldn't even be listened to or explained to since they obviously are one donut short of a dozen.
UBoB
Reply #31 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:53 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, December 5, 2002 7:53 PM
I think most of these people who put ME above XP do so because the name suits their outlook on life.....ME, ME, ME, ME.
wombat_1
Reply #33 Thursday, December 5, 2002 8:32 PM
Reply #33 Thursday, December 5, 2002 8:32 PM
"I'm a software developer and I KNOW I can set up XP to run like crap". 
Guess you failed your course if that's all you can do with XP.
I'm not a fan of Microcrud or Mr Gates, however, from time to time one should remember that MS can claim some credit for taking the desktop PC user out of the geek category and giving the average person a relatively user friendly OS.
As we (reasonable) people concede on a regular basis, there are so many variables in any OS (mostly driven by the keyboard pounder!) that nothing is bullet proof!
The one factor that drives 'new' program upgrades is the crazed pace of chip development, bigger, faster, sometimes cheaper, most (not all) 'software developers' write fat and clunky code.
And not too many users carry out best practice maintenance and housekeeping schedules on their boxes. >
You like ME, fine, Jam likes his Bryce, good for him, I own a car that is older than me, it's great for sunny Sundays but a pig to drive on a daily basis, let alone on a trip to Bathurst.
Personal choices people.
XP has run fine from day one for me, but I keep shooting myself in the foot with Linux.
Guess you failed your course if that's all you can do with XP.
I'm not a fan of Microcrud or Mr Gates, however, from time to time one should remember that MS can claim some credit for taking the desktop PC user out of the geek category and giving the average person a relatively user friendly OS.
As we (reasonable) people concede on a regular basis, there are so many variables in any OS (mostly driven by the keyboard pounder!) that nothing is bullet proof!
The one factor that drives 'new' program upgrades is the crazed pace of chip development, bigger, faster, sometimes cheaper, most (not all) 'software developers' write fat and clunky code.
And not too many users carry out best practice maintenance and housekeeping schedules on their boxes. >
You like ME, fine, Jam likes his Bryce, good for him, I own a car that is older than me, it's great for sunny Sundays but a pig to drive on a daily basis, let alone on a trip to Bathurst.
Personal choices people.
XP has run fine from day one for me, but I keep shooting myself in the foot with Linux.
da_zman20
Reply #35 Friday, December 6, 2002 12:36 AM
Reply #35 Friday, December 6, 2002 12:36 AM
I just want to add that you should take off that gator crap from your computer if you can, that is the source of your problem, or maybe ao-hell... god it took me like a year to finally get it cancelled with all of the crap they put me through... and it slowed down my computer will of the crap they installed that i didn't want...
JamMeister33
Reply #36 Friday, December 6, 2002 12:48 AM
Reply #36 Friday, December 6, 2002 12:48 AM
Try using ad-aware by lavasoft.
It will get rid of all gator and any other nasties besides!
It's a free download from Tucows or PCWorld.
It will get rid of all gator and any other nasties besides!
It's a free download from Tucows or PCWorld.
paxx
Reply #37 Friday, December 6, 2002 5:57 AM
Reply #37 Friday, December 6, 2002 5:57 AM
I understand your point exploreRPG. Although XP is more secure of a system, and way more stable in general, the impossibility to remove IE, Outlook and Windows Media Player is a good reason to prefer an OS where you can remove them, if such a thing is an issue for you. I know a poopload of Sysadmins and developers who swear only by Windows 2000.
As for the Linux issue, I think there is some future for Linux, but not anytime soon. Maybe in 4 or 5 years still. It has come a very long way in the past 3 or 4 years, it's amasing. Linux is slowly starting to be more and more user friendly. I firmly believe that the not so distant future will bring us a linux-based OS tha will be accessible for the general public; after all Apple did it with Mac OS X, so it can be done. The day such a system is available on PC's, we're going tostart having real competition in the OS industry.
As for the Linux issue, I think there is some future for Linux, but not anytime soon. Maybe in 4 or 5 years still. It has come a very long way in the past 3 or 4 years, it's amasing. Linux is slowly starting to be more and more user friendly. I firmly believe that the not so distant future will bring us a linux-based OS tha will be accessible for the general public; after all Apple did it with Mac OS X, so it can be done. The day such a system is available on PC's, we're going tostart having real competition in the OS industry.
Lecrayon
Reply #38 Friday, December 6, 2002 7:30 AM
Reply #38 Friday, December 6, 2002 7:30 AM
I read in a magazine about Linux, that the good thing is you can't be attacked by viruses or worms or other develish attacks. They stated that the majority uses windows OS, and so people tend to focus to make viruses for windows. Conclusion: If you really want to run attack free, go for Linux. Conclusion #2: If more and more people use Linux, probably some viruses will be developed for Linux too I'm sure....
Win98, and ME has left me with blue death screens so many times and with XP the use of handling different programs at the same time is far more stable. If an error occurs only the 'hanging' proggie will be deleted and you still run fine
Win98, and ME has left me with blue death screens so many times and with XP the use of handling different programs at the same time is far more stable. If an error occurs only the 'hanging' proggie will be deleted and you still run fine
exploreRPG3918
Reply #39 Friday, December 6, 2002 2:52 PM
Reply #39 Friday, December 6, 2002 2:52 PM
I'll only address the adults from all these responses..
pipowell,
I understand the memory limits of the Win9x series. But I can't understand why I need 1 GIG of RAM. Furthermore, has anyone considered that buying a 2Ghz machine could damage the computer industry.. Why would you *EVER* need to buy a new machine? (unless it broke)
Thus, putting the computer industry in dangerous economic situation. Although, I'm sure there will still idiots like bakerstreet buying the 10Ghz PC with a 500Mhz FSB and 15Gigs of RAM and claiming Win vASSHOLE is the premier operating system.
Meanwhile Linux will still be a better secure OS running under 4MB Ram.
WinME vs WinXP.
The two operating system are entire different. WinXP is based on the NT frame and runs with NTFS rather than FAT32. There are GDI problems between the two, but clearly the GDI engine is better in the Win9x series.
The Win9x series was made for home use and gamers. It has memory limits, but is still a very useful OS.
I don't like XP because of .Net services and Microsoft's software philosophy. Maybe when I'm allowed to install as many copies as I want and customize XP I'll use it.
I am more disappointed with how people treat Win9x bug reports as if they are invalid.
Lecrayon,
You are probably right.. Linux would attract viruses, but should *remove* be a logical choice for WinXP users. Personally I like Opera better than IE. I like WinAMP better than Media Player. (And from my experience its safer.)
To All the XP kiddies,
Look, I'm a developer who is a WinME user. If I post a bug message, it's usually a valid bug report. If you would prefer I don't post in these forums could someone give me the email to the developer directly. Personally, I'm tired of immature XP users blaming my OS for simple bugs.
Paxx,
Thank you.. A voice of reason.. I just want to remove the crap that has *KNOWN* security holes.. Not be forced to have it on my machine.. I'll have to say Win9X (ME) and work on custom solutions until Microsoft starts listening to consumers like me, or I go Linux.
pipowell,
I understand the memory limits of the Win9x series. But I can't understand why I need 1 GIG of RAM. Furthermore, has anyone considered that buying a 2Ghz machine could damage the computer industry.. Why would you *EVER* need to buy a new machine? (unless it broke)
Thus, putting the computer industry in dangerous economic situation. Although, I'm sure there will still idiots like bakerstreet buying the 10Ghz PC with a 500Mhz FSB and 15Gigs of RAM and claiming Win vASSHOLE is the premier operating system.
Meanwhile Linux will still be a better secure OS running under 4MB Ram.
WinME vs WinXP.
The two operating system are entire different. WinXP is based on the NT frame and runs with NTFS rather than FAT32. There are GDI problems between the two, but clearly the GDI engine is better in the Win9x series.
The Win9x series was made for home use and gamers. It has memory limits, but is still a very useful OS.
I don't like XP because of .Net services and Microsoft's software philosophy. Maybe when I'm allowed to install as many copies as I want and customize XP I'll use it.
I am more disappointed with how people treat Win9x bug reports as if they are invalid.
Lecrayon,
You are probably right.. Linux would attract viruses, but should *remove* be a logical choice for WinXP users. Personally I like Opera better than IE. I like WinAMP better than Media Player. (And from my experience its safer.)
To All the XP kiddies,
Look, I'm a developer who is a WinME user. If I post a bug message, it's usually a valid bug report. If you would prefer I don't post in these forums could someone give me the email to the developer directly. Personally, I'm tired of immature XP users blaming my OS for simple bugs.
Paxx,
Thank you.. A voice of reason.. I just want to remove the crap that has *KNOWN* security holes.. Not be forced to have it on my machine.. I'll have to say Win9X (ME) and work on custom solutions until Microsoft starts listening to consumers like me, or I go Linux.
bakerstreet
Reply #40 Friday, December 6, 2002 2:57 PM
Reply #40 Friday, December 6, 2002 2:57 PM
There is no end to this sewage leak; it has flowed onto 3 or 4 strings regardless of topic. My vote is for an admin to plug it, since there is no end in site and no possible way to appease him. His problem is on the Stardock site, not here flaming.
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Reply #21 Thursday, December 5, 2002 6:41 PM