Downloading the name.
Saturday, November 23, 2002 by Styl-X Design | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I've been around for a while, and the first thing i notice is that people are downloading walls because of the author. (or my walls just sux 
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For example, if there is a citizen around here, and he uploads a really awesome wall, people are gonna download it, and it has something about 2000 downloads.
BUT, if a well known person uploads a wall, (like treetog, adni18, ds-custom, (SORRY, Your walls are great!) that isn't as nice as the wall of the citizen, people will download it 5000 times.
This means 1: I have a verry bad taste, or 2: people download walls becouse of the name.
So all the people, please don't look to the name, and download some stuff of newbies, it makes them feeeel goooood!
(when i uploaded my first wall (R.E.D.) https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=4957
it did suck, but because people downloaded it over 1000 times, i was going on with making walls, and the result isn't to bad i think.
hm, strange post..
)For example, if there is a citizen around here, and he uploads a really awesome wall, people are gonna download it, and it has something about 2000 downloads.
BUT, if a well known person uploads a wall, (like treetog, adni18, ds-custom, (SORRY, Your walls are great!) that isn't as nice as the wall of the citizen, people will download it 5000 times.
This means 1: I have a verry bad taste, or 2: people download walls becouse of the name.
So all the people, please don't look to the name, and download some stuff of newbies, it makes them feeeel goooood!
(when i uploaded my first wall (R.E.D.) https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=4957
it did suck, but because people downloaded it over 1000 times, i was going on with making walls, and the result isn't to bad i think.
hm, strange post..
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Koasati
Reply #2 Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:45 AM
Reply #2 Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:45 AM
Listen to Hippy............. if downloads were my gauge to continue skinning or not, I would have stopped long ago. 
Styl-X Design
Reply #3 Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:49 AM
Reply #3 Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:49 AM
Downloads is just my way to keep me motivated.
It gives such a HUGE rush if you see that a wall, or a cursor xp is downloaded over 9000 times, it makes me feel good.
It gives me the id that I made 9000 people happy. If it was only for a minute, i had 9000 minutes of joy braught in the world.
HEHE, Vote styl for president
It gives such a HUGE rush if you see that a wall, or a cursor xp is downloaded over 9000 times, it makes me feel good.
It gives me the id that I made 9000 people happy. If it was only for a minute, i had 9000 minutes of joy braught in the world.
HEHE, Vote styl for president
JamMeister33
Reply #4 Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:51 AM
Reply #4 Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:51 AM
I agree with your basic sentiments, Styl. I feel the same way about it.
WOM
Reply #5 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:02 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:02 PM
I can see why you might get a little upset, but remember it's nothing that you can control, so just let it pass. You'll get there one of these days.
JamMeister33
Reply #6 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:04 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:04 PM
I mean about the downloads thing, the hero worship I can understand and I don't have a problem with that!
JamMeister33
Reply #8 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:47 PM
Reply #8 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:47 PM
I realize that, you know how these replies can get crossed so it seems like the (well you know what I mean).
MobiusCo
Reply #9 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:52 PM
Reply #9 Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:52 PM
the other thing to notice is that a lot of the high download walls are accessories to skin suites for different apps. It seems the walls that get the highest downloads get them so people can match the wall with their skinned apps. Those of use that make only walls without a theme get less notice at times. But that is normal. I notice that when valhala makes a nextstart skin with one of my walls as the background it suddenly gets a ton of downloads...ironic isn't it
bakerstreet
Reply #10 Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:05 PM
Reply #10 Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:05 PM
Well, the majority of sections are skinnables, so I figure the average person that downloads a wallpaper probably got there through a skinner's "view authors skins". That would lead one to believe the most visible skinners are the most visible wallpaper artists as well.
This, like everything, is about advertising. Wallpapers are moderated, skins are not. You have a better chance of spreading a link to your gallery around if you upload a lot of skins. People click the link, they see your wallpapers. Add the 'Top Authors' and 'Top Downloads' links to that, and you end up with a lot of visiblility for the best skinners. Seems logical to me.
But really, I don't think it is all that bad. The people with their names most visible worked really hard, and popularity is their reward. A bad artist couldn't have gotten there in the first place. Kind of Darwinian.
This, like everything, is about advertising. Wallpapers are moderated, skins are not. You have a better chance of spreading a link to your gallery around if you upload a lot of skins. People click the link, they see your wallpapers. Add the 'Top Authors' and 'Top Downloads' links to that, and you end up with a lot of visiblility for the best skinners. Seems logical to me.
But really, I don't think it is all that bad. The people with their names most visible worked really hard, and popularity is their reward. A bad artist couldn't have gotten there in the first place. Kind of Darwinian.
WOM
Reply #11 Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:17 PM
Reply #11 Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:17 PM
bakerstreet, skins are also moderated and some have been rejected. I agree with the rest of your assessment.
Styl-X Design
Reply #12 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:13 PM
Reply #12 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:13 PM
I can see why you might get a little upset, but remember it's nothing that you can control, so just let it pass. You'll get there one of these days.
by Sir WOM -
Uhm, i didn't mean myself with this
I think that my walls and cursors gets enough downloads, they aren't soooo very nice or something, it was just something that crosses my mind when i was going to the wall section.
And yes, if there is a whole skin to the wall, people downloads them more, but that isn't always the case with ds-custom or adni, however i am not saying their walls a not good.
by Sir WOM -
Uhm, i didn't mean myself with this
I think that my walls and cursors gets enough downloads, they aren't soooo very nice or something, it was just something that crosses my mind when i was going to the wall section.
And yes, if there is a whole skin to the wall, people downloads them more, but that isn't always the case with ds-custom or adni, however i am not saying their walls a not good.
Styl-X Design
Reply #13 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:13 PM
Reply #13 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:13 PM
I can see why you might get a little upset, but remember it's nothing that you can control, so just let it pass. You'll get there one of these days.
by Sir WOM -
Uhm, i didn't mean myself with this
I think that my walls and cursors gets enough downloads, they aren't soooo very nice or something, it was just something that crosses my mind when i was going to the wall section.
And yes, if there is a whole skin to the wall, people downloads them more, but that isn't always the case with ds-custom or adni, however i am not saying their walls a not good.
by Sir WOM -
Uhm, i didn't mean myself with this
I think that my walls and cursors gets enough downloads, they aren't soooo very nice or something, it was just something that crosses my mind when i was going to the wall section.
And yes, if there is a whole skin to the wall, people downloads them more, but that isn't always the case with ds-custom or adni, however i am not saying their walls a not good.
bakerstreet
Reply #14 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:27 PM
Reply #14 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:27 PM
WOM: I meant moderated for quality. Skins and themes aren't moderated for quality are they?
WOM
Reply #15 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:33 PM
Reply #15 Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:33 PM
bakerstreet, don't know what you would call it, but they do get rejected because they do not meet WC's standard. So I guess that would be quality.
Angel_Wings
Reply #16 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:02 PM
Reply #16 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:02 PM
Well, that sold me, I've got to get cracking and learn to make WB skins! Oh boy, something new to tackle! *gulp* Do you hear that giant sucking sound? That's the sound of my future, because that's how bad my first skin submissions are gonna suck if they even get accepted.
Koasati
Reply #17 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:18 PM
Reply #17 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:18 PM
Why would you upload a skin if you think it sucks? 
Styl-X Design
Reply #18 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:27 PM
Reply #18 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:27 PM
To look what other people say about it, and for suggestions.
Robohead
Reply #19 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:30 PM
Reply #19 Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:30 PM
Isn't that what the 'ScreenShots' section is for?
Styl-X Design
Reply #20 Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:05 PM
Reply #20 Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:05 PM
Yeah, it meaby is, but that isn't used very much.
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Reply #1 Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:02 AM
I noticed this a year or two back, with regards to skins, and it's rather irritating that some really good artists get passed over, because people prefer to 'hero worship' instead. (Not that the 'heroes' aren't worthy of it, because they certainly are)
But also remember Styl, that downloads are unimportant. If you're creating work just to upload, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Create just for yourself, and don't let anyone tell you that your work is bad/good, that's all for you to decide.
Anyhoo, don't let the situation discourage you, keep at it.