IE 6.0 ... end of the line?
Saturday, October 26, 2002 by goodmorphing | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have heard from usually reliable sources that there are no plans to keep developing IE. Instead all efforts will be on the MSN Explorer. I am really hoping this is wrong...
but if it turns out to be true, what alternate browsers will fill the space... Opera? Netscape?
but if it turns out to be true, what alternate browsers will fill the space... Opera? Netscape?
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goodmorphing
Reply #3 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:06 AM
Reply #3 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:06 AM
Thanks.... I find the Explorer to be somewhat lacking....
paxx
Reply #4 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:31 AM
Reply #4 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:31 AM
It's possible. The MSN browser is no longer free. With version 8, the MSN browser is now only part of the MSN subscription service.
MSN is available as an ISP, as before, but what's new is that people who already have an ISP can also now get the MSN software for $10/month. I don't understand why anybody would pay for that. But if they stop developping Internet Explorer, that could explain it.
Check this out: http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa&pgmarket=en-us&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-us
MSN is available as an ISP, as before, but what's new is that people who already have an ISP can also now get the MSN software for $10/month. I don't understand why anybody would pay for that. But if they stop developping Internet Explorer, that could explain it.
Check this out: http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa&pgmarket=en-us&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-us
migellito
Reply #5 Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:02 AM
Reply #5 Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:02 AM
i switched to mozilla a couple weeks ago. the impetus was using chimera on my os x machine. they've actually done a lot of work on it, and it's pretty cool. the main thing is tabbed browsing, which is 'the bomb.'
bakerstreet
Reply #6 Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:04 AM
Reply #6 Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:04 AM
If they tied the OS default browser to their own internet service they would reignite a lot of their old legal problems. They might just freeze IE at 6.0 forever and use it as a generic OS browser, but I doubt it. That would place them against other operating systems with newer, swoobier default browsers. MSN might make them money, but I dunno if they would water down one of the most-used components of the Windows to help it along.
The only other option is to offer no default browser at all, but that would be problematic... How would you get anywhere to download a browser? No, I don't see them hamstringing the instant connectivity of the OS unless they are forced to, and I don't think they could force MSN Explorer on everyone that buys Windows.
The only other option is to offer no default browser at all, but that would be problematic... How would you get anywhere to download a browser? No, I don't see them hamstringing the instant connectivity of the OS unless they are forced to, and I don't think they could force MSN Explorer on everyone that buys Windows.
Aquamonkey
Reply #7 Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:18 AM
Reply #7 Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:18 AM
goodmorphing's source is a little off, IE7 is planned thought it will probably be the last version
moshi
Reply #8 Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:10 AM
Reply #8 Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:10 AM
WOM: Crazy Browser is not a real browser. it uses IE rendering engine. so no Internet Explorer = no Crazy Browser.
WOM
Reply #9 Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:32 AM
Reply #9 Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:32 AM
moshi, don't tell me that! Means eventually I'll have to get another one. 
Doesn't the SB use IE also?
Doesn't the SB use IE also? 
moshi
Reply #10 Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:43 AM
Reply #10 Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:43 AM
SB? well, Neoplanet and a lot of other so called browsers do. actually the only real alternatives (for Windows) are Opera and Mozilla and it´s derivates, but i doubt they´ll drop Internet Explorer as it is so much integrated in the OS.
craeonics
Reply #12 Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:26 AM
Reply #12 Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:26 AM
That would be quite a gamble. I doubt they would take such steps and risk their dominance. Especially since it's built into the OS and such. What will happen? Will the next Windows ship without browser?
Aqua.
Reply #13 Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:33 AM
Reply #13 Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:33 AM
Windows will always ship with a browser. IE may be hidden in the future, but it will still be there.
Also, they are continuing to develop IE and have no plans to stop offering it.
Also, they are continuing to develop IE and have no plans to stop offering it.
Xymantix
Reply #14 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:46 PM
Reply #14 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:46 PM
Alternatives? If you haven't already tried Mozilla, give it a shot. It will probably make you switch regardless of what happens with IE. My favorite features so far are tabbed browsing, opening up links in the background (new tab) with a single click, popup blocker, and I'm just now getting into mouse gestures.
Aqua.
Reply #15 Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:05 PM
I LOVE Mozilla!! (even if it is bloatware)
I'm just waiting for Phoenix to mature so that I can dump the Mozilla bloatware.
Reply #15 Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:05 PM
I LOVE Mozilla!! (even if it is bloatware)I'm just waiting for Phoenix to mature so that I can dump the Mozilla bloatware.
bakerstreet
Reply #17 Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:33 PM
Reply #17 Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:33 PM
Mouse gestures *could* be the Next Big Thing. I have been playing with them a bit, and I think they are a ways off from being efficient. To me, you really need a setup where the gestures are the only reason to click the window. When you have scrollbars, hyperlinks, etc, there are always gonna be annoying misfires. A standard gesture "language" would be good, too, since memorizing them for several different apps would be a pain in the butt.
The main problem I have with Mozilla's use of mouse gestures is using them inadvertantly. Every time I miss the scroll bar and drag down, I open another window. Same with quickly highlighting text; I ususally fire off something in the process. A lot of people seem to get used to them though.
The main problem I have with Mozilla's use of mouse gestures is using them inadvertantly. Every time I miss the scroll bar and drag down, I open another window. Same with quickly highlighting text; I ususally fire off something in the process. A lot of people seem to get used to them though.
Aqua.
Reply #18 Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:42 PM
Reply #18 Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:42 PM
I think I'll just stick with my 5 button mouse, that has 16 programmable actions 
BabyPooh
Reply #19 Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:39 PM
Reply #19 Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:39 PM
Mozilla is a very good browser. I used Mozilla for a long time, but then when Netscape 7 came out I starting using it and I like it a lot. It's really not much different than Mozilla. I like them both, but I decided to stick with Netscape.
So what do yall think...Mozilla or Netscape?
So what do yall think...Mozilla or Netscape?
Aqua.
Reply #20 Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:47 PM
Reply #20 Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:47 PM
Mozilla
Netscape has all the AOL promos cluttering the place up. The only advantage I see that Netscape has over Mozilla is Radio@Netscape.
Besides, Mozilla is a much much faster download
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Netscape has all the AOL promos cluttering the place up. The only advantage I see that Netscape has over Mozilla is Radio@Netscape.
Besides, Mozilla is a much much faster download
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Reply #1 Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:00 AM