Mac user obnoxiousness
Tuesday, October 1, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/09/30.14.shtml
I don't really like Macs or more to the point, I can't think of Macs without thinking of Mac users.
Mac users sincerely believe that everything good and nice on the UI came from the mind of Apple first.
The latest example is WindowFX where Mac bigots seem to think that they invented this stuff. WindowFX came out before Aqua. And if someone wants to find what program inspired WindowFX more than anything else it was NPS/WPS from OS/2 which came out years ago (it had shadows, morphing of windows on min/max, etc.).
Apple does get credit for making cool effects famous but that's not the same as having invented it.
I don't really like Macs or more to the point, I can't think of Macs without thinking of Mac users.
Mac users sincerely believe that everything good and nice on the UI came from the mind of Apple first.
The latest example is WindowFX where Mac bigots seem to think that they invented this stuff. WindowFX came out before Aqua. And if someone wants to find what program inspired WindowFX more than anything else it was NPS/WPS from OS/2 which came out years ago (it had shadows, morphing of windows on min/max, etc.).
Apple does get credit for making cool effects famous but that's not the same as having invented it.
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Xymantix
Reply #22 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 10:39 AM
Reply #22 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 10:39 AM
Invented the stuff - heh! I seem to recall seeing drop shadows in "real life" well before there were computers...
Frogboy
Reply #23 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 10:56 AM
Reply #23 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 10:56 AM
MacOS has enough apps for most day to day users. But I have yet to see a compelling argument that it is "better" than Windows XP. What is undisputable is that it costs more and is less customizeable than Windows.
bakerstreet
Reply #24 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 11:24 AM
Reply #24 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 11:24 AM
Has Mac gone through with their claim to be making their standard boxed OS a 5 license sale? If so it would be a lot cheaper for some of us...
(i'm just taking a break from squinting at photoshop and playing devil's advocate... 'scuse me)
(i'm just taking a break from squinting at photoshop and playing devil's advocate... 'scuse me)
Carlitus
Reply #25 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 12:42 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 12:42 PM
ok ok.
There's only one apple-tree on the city?
(this emoticon is very exagerated!)
Windows have their advantages, and Apple have others, but you can do the same with booth platforms
There's only one apple-tree on the city?
(this emoticon is very exagerated!)Windows have their advantages, and Apple have others, but you can do the same with booth platforms
Bangkokboy
Reply #26 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 1:20 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 1:20 PM
I liked Mac's easy interface very much back when I used them at work, but I felt like, behind that friendly interface, they stripped away much of my sayso and power. I've always been able to make Windows apps do things with "poisoned" files ( wrong file preamble, footer, etc ) that they didn't want to do. Back then , the Mac people seemed to have made that virtually impossible on their machine. You never told it anything - it always dictated to you what you would and wouldn't be permitted to do!
Aaaargh! >
Aaaargh! >
bakerstreet
Reply #27 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 1:38 PM
Reply #27 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 1:38 PM
Have you seen bluecurve, redhat's new ui? I can't put my finger on it, but it smacks of XP: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4460/1/screenshot2439/
migellito
Reply #28 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 2:11 PM
Reply #28 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 2:11 PM
hehe.. well, i'd just be re-iterating what jtfolden said. suffice it to say that when the dental students in the computer lab where i work want to actually get something done, they use the macs. we have plenty of both here, and about the only time the pc's get used is when all the others are busy.
i'm talking ms office apps [particularly powerpoint presentations,] number crunching, multimedia, research apps.. you name it.
i'm not some hardcore anti-windows guy.. obviously
but the apps are there, they work, and it's all-around more reliable. of course, it's unix.
i'm talking ms office apps [particularly powerpoint presentations,] number crunching, multimedia, research apps.. you name it.
i'm not some hardcore anti-windows guy.. obviously
but the apps are there, they work, and it's all-around more reliable. of course, it's unix.
mormegil
Reply #29 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 2:30 PM
Reply #29 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 2:30 PM
More Reliable then XP? I Dont find it the case.
paxx
Reply #30 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 3:25 PM
Reply #30 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 3:25 PM
Well, here, where are work, we have two departments: print and multimedia.
Typically, inhouse, we just refer those as "That's a Mac job" and "That's PC work".
Typically, inhouse, we just refer those as "That's a Mac job" and "That's PC work".
Koasati
Reply #33 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 9:05 PM
bakerstreet.........there is something XPish about it...just what that is, I can't determine. 
Reply #33 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 9:05 PM
bakerstreet.........there is something XPish about it...just what that is, I can't determine. 
joetheblow
Reply #34 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 11:26 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 11:26 PM
I have worked on both. Quite frankly I think you can do the same things on either one. If your in to graphics then you will definaitely be ok. If you need high end calulations or games, your out of luck with a Mac (lack of selection). I will be getting a Mac (laptop) soon and the main reason for getting it is DVD, simple movie editing, being able to communicate with the graphic community who uses Mac's, and because it looks so nice.
I am mostly into how the laptop looks and feels since I know just how far I will be using it and it will cover what I want to use it for. I have been searching for a PC computer or laptop with a stylish look (not grey or white, or off grey, or purlpe blue). I have been looking for covers, laptop holders; something to make my computer look or fit into its surroundings better. I would ove to have a matching windowblind that goes with the snap on case of my laptop.
well, dreams my come true.....
I am mostly into how the laptop looks and feels since I know just how far I will be using it and it will cover what I want to use it for. I have been searching for a PC computer or laptop with a stylish look (not grey or white, or off grey, or purlpe blue). I have been looking for covers, laptop holders; something to make my computer look or fit into its surroundings better. I would ove to have a matching windowblind that goes with the snap on case of my laptop.
well, dreams my come true.....
jtfolden
Reply #35 Thursday, October 3, 2002 3:05 AM
Reply #35 Thursday, October 3, 2002 3:05 AM
I've found OS X to be more reliable here than XP. Don't get me wrong, XP is generally very stable but I still occasionally see a blue screen or other oddity when I use it, which is rarely now. OTOH, I haven't had one crash under OS X since maybe the 2nd week of release back in April 2001.
Personally, I love the iApps. I haven't seen anything as intuitive and slick as iTunes 3.0, iMovie, or iDVD for the PC at the same price - free.
...and, yup, most Macs probably are more expensive than a lot of Win based systems. Luckily the resale value is also incredibly high, especially on the Power Macs/Books.
Personally, I love the iApps. I haven't seen anything as intuitive and slick as iTunes 3.0, iMovie, or iDVD for the PC at the same price - free.
...and, yup, most Macs probably are more expensive than a lot of Win based systems. Luckily the resale value is also incredibly high, especially on the Power Macs/Books.
paxx
Reply #36 Thursday, October 3, 2002 5:51 AM
Reply #36 Thursday, October 3, 2002 5:51 AM
I guess it depends on people, jtf. I have a friend at work (a Mac artist), he has a PC with XP at home along with a G4 with OSX. He says that OSX crashes less often than OS9, but that it's not uncrashable. He says his PC with XP is more stable.
WMP and Windows Movie Maker is intuitive enough for me, for the same price as the iApps.
WMP and Windows Movie Maker is intuitive enough for me, for the same price as the iApps.
MarkMcQ
Reply #37 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:04 PM
Reply #37 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:04 PM
We should run a bet,to see who's the first person to release the (inevitable) BlueCurve WB skin.......
Frogboy
Reply #38 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:19 PM
Reply #38 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:19 PM
John: Depends on your definition of "free". Microsoft could go out and pay retail price for some of the top video and multiemdia apps, include it in Windows and it would still be cheaper to buy a new equivalent PC with all this included than a similarly configured Macintosh.
It's not that I don't like MacOS X. I do actually. What I don't like is their community. The pretentiousness. As I mentioned early on, what really riles us up at Stardock are Mac users taking credit for things we came up with and then having the gall to claim we stole it from them.
It's not that I don't like MacOS X. I do actually. What I don't like is their community. The pretentiousness. As I mentioned early on, what really riles us up at Stardock are Mac users taking credit for things we came up with and then having the gall to claim we stole it from them.
brazil
Reply #39 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:31 PM
Reply #39 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:31 PM
I have several MacFreak friends and I must say they are exactly as VFrogboy says.They have no problem obtaining software everyone else pays for and passing it around among themselves.And they wonder why they don't have much to choose from!!It has been my experience,on this planet,people do not work for free.Right click on that holmes. 
mormegil
Reply #40 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:50 PM
Reply #40 Thursday, October 3, 2002 12:50 PM
I agree 100% with Fogboys last point. I Like my Mac, I like my OS-X 10.2, (if conditionly). But I am lerning to HATE the mac community, even more now that I have one at home.
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Reply #21 Wednesday, October 2, 2002 10:03 AM
But really, I like my Mac, I just have lernd to HATE Apple evan more since I baught it.