Why are not Winamp3 designers yet in here????
Thursday, September 19, 2002 by Breaker__ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Im seeing a lot of people downloading the Winamp3 version, its hot at this moment, and when I came here I found 0 I mean cero works based on that universal and very used program.
I dont want to ofend anybody but we, the people of the customizing can not stay with our arms crossed. I dont know anything about skinning or making icons or anything, but we have to make something about it.
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bakerstreet
Reply #22 Friday, September 20, 2002 9:20 PM
Reply #22 Friday, September 20, 2002 9:20 PM
MessiahWWKD: I'm not crazy about the menus either. That seems to be the way things are going, though. 
Never had the CD problem, but I rip all my CDs when I get them.
Never had the CD problem, but I rip all my CDs when I get them.
voo
Reply #23 Friday, September 20, 2002 9:28 PM
Reply #23 Friday, September 20, 2002 9:28 PM
ahem well winamp3 is bad programming its running on Xp pro sp1 with alot of stardock software i dont have any crappy software here my drivers are upto date & no office software
just stuff like Unreal quake 3 rtcw jedi knight 2 photoshop paint shop pro etc
i just use this as an enterainment pc
plus i know for a fact its not any my stuff clashing with it
just need too fire up winamp3 mess with some play list settings or menus 30mins later boom weird things happen messing with explorer or stuff
beta's were way better than their crummy final release
do you know default skin uses 15meg ram and over 1,000 gdi thats a disgrace and yes ive reinstalled it many times but enough is enough im staying with 2.8
geez all i want is to play my mp3's or listen to internet radio not too have hasstle with a buggy incomplete app & we are the testers for WA3
just stuff like Unreal quake 3 rtcw jedi knight 2 photoshop paint shop pro etc
i just use this as an enterainment pc
plus i know for a fact its not any my stuff clashing with it
just need too fire up winamp3 mess with some play list settings or menus 30mins later boom weird things happen messing with explorer or stuff
beta's were way better than their crummy final release
do you know default skin uses 15meg ram and over 1,000 gdi thats a disgrace and yes ive reinstalled it many times but enough is enough im staying with 2.8
geez all i want is to play my mp3's or listen to internet radio not too have hasstle with a buggy incomplete app & we are the testers for WA3
bakerstreet
Reply #24 Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:16 AM
Reply #24 Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:16 AM
Voodoo_FreaK
You still didn't explain to me why it runs fine on most people's systems...
You are only using that gdi and ram if you have it maximized, i.e. looking at it. No one I know sits and looks at it. If you are, then you probably don't need the extra ten megs.
Here's a shot of my task manager. roughly 10 minutes running, 3000 file playlist, minimized, a 6 meg MP3 playing:
http://www.geocities.com/bakerstr33t/w3pic.jpg
the performance tab is alternating between 2% and 4% processor use.
Explorer crashes and it must be winamp...? Are we talking about the same Explorer? You are a skinner, you should know better than that...
No offense, Stardock software is well-made (did I say that?), but 'a lot'? Could there be a conflict with any of it? Could windowblinds be trying to skin stuff it shouldn't? have you excluded Winamp? Which versions of Stardock software? Isn't it reasonable with that much UI enhancing software something is bound to go wrong after an extended amount of time?
What do you mean by "up to date"? Sometimes the newest, or specialized drivers (for games *cough*), can be worse than old ones. I have actually had to switch out drivers every time I have wanted to play some games. Wanna talk about bad programming?
30 minutes later...? What did you do in the 30 minutes between? Did you run photoshop with 100 levels of history? How many layers in the image? How much of your resources is it set to use? surely not the default... Which version of photoshop? I can name a half dozen reasons photoshop can crash you... mercilessly, with tons of ram.
I'm not trying to be nasty to ya, but you have to understand that the language you are using is really, really damaging to other people's hard work and dedication. You *will* influence people not to use something that most likely will work fine for them. Sure, you have the right to say it, but you really need to be able to back it up with some kind of confirmable proof. If you can do that, though, you ought to be telling the developers at Nullsoft...
Jark made me grumpy. I think I'll go do some smiling exercises...
You still didn't explain to me why it runs fine on most people's systems...
You are only using that gdi and ram if you have it maximized, i.e. looking at it. No one I know sits and looks at it. If you are, then you probably don't need the extra ten megs.
Here's a shot of my task manager. roughly 10 minutes running, 3000 file playlist, minimized, a 6 meg MP3 playing:
http://www.geocities.com/bakerstr33t/w3pic.jpg
the performance tab is alternating between 2% and 4% processor use.
Explorer crashes and it must be winamp...? Are we talking about the same Explorer? You are a skinner, you should know better than that...
No offense, Stardock software is well-made (did I say that?), but 'a lot'? Could there be a conflict with any of it? Could windowblinds be trying to skin stuff it shouldn't? have you excluded Winamp? Which versions of Stardock software? Isn't it reasonable with that much UI enhancing software something is bound to go wrong after an extended amount of time?
What do you mean by "up to date"? Sometimes the newest, or specialized drivers (for games *cough*), can be worse than old ones. I have actually had to switch out drivers every time I have wanted to play some games. Wanna talk about bad programming?
30 minutes later...? What did you do in the 30 minutes between? Did you run photoshop with 100 levels of history? How many layers in the image? How much of your resources is it set to use? surely not the default... Which version of photoshop? I can name a half dozen reasons photoshop can crash you... mercilessly, with tons of ram.
I'm not trying to be nasty to ya, but you have to understand that the language you are using is really, really damaging to other people's hard work and dedication. You *will* influence people not to use something that most likely will work fine for them. Sure, you have the right to say it, but you really need to be able to back it up with some kind of confirmable proof. If you can do that, though, you ought to be telling the developers at Nullsoft...
Jark made me grumpy. I think I'll go do some smiling exercises...
bakerstreet
Reply #25 Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:20 AM
Reply #25 Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:20 AM
pfft, goofy geocities and their image filters...
http://www.geocities.com/bakerstr33t/w3pic.html
that oughtta do it.
http://www.geocities.com/bakerstr33t/w3pic.html
that oughtta do it.
joetheblow
Reply #26 Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:03 AM
Reply #26 Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:03 AM
you know what's funny, my Windows Media Player did just what your talking about Vodoo. 30 minutes of playing and CRASH!!! I thought maybe it was the animation or maybe it was something else. It doesn't do it any more (but I got my computer re-imaged so allot of things don't happen anymore). That is when I found out my problem was a bad mpeg file.
I also found out sometimes 2 programs do not like each other so much they freeze on my computer. DesktopX, Photoshop LE... will totally freeze, if I start winamp.... lawd help me!!! Lately I haven't played anything on my computer because I lost it in a computer meltdown. I would like to see how it runs now
I also found out sometimes 2 programs do not like each other so much they freeze on my computer. DesktopX, Photoshop LE... will totally freeze, if I start winamp.... lawd help me!!! Lately I haven't played anything on my computer because I lost it in a computer meltdown. I would like to see how it runs now
voo
Reply #27 Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:56 AM
Reply #27 Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:56 AM
bakerstreet no i dont sit and look at winamp3 but you can feel its chugging on the desktop or doing weird thinks messing with explorer, didnt have any imaging software open, all i had running was mIRC wolffm in the playlist, DesktopX, WindowBlinds, wfx2 & norton 2002 suite running in systray
yes winamp3 was excluded from everything until i uninstalled it
well alot of people ive spoken to dont like winamp3 because its unstable and alot of bugs so its not just me as you seem too think
define how many peoples machines it runs fine on...?
ive not got problems with it on CPU usage as its about 0 to 2% it just uses way too much GDI at one stage it was up as high as 7,000 GDI with their default winamp3 skin 25mem usage with a very small play list as thats all i mostly use winamp or v3 for internet radio
but ever since ive uninstalled winamp3 its been a dream, i totaly think winamp3 is a joke at this time as winamp2.8 is way more stable, doesnt even use more than most 2 - 4 meg of mem & GDI is as low as 256
Explorer crashes and it must be winamp...? Are we talking about the same Explorer? You are a skinner, you should know better than that...
well it only messes with explorer.exe when running winamp3 and no none of my OS files are Hax0red and heres what it done to explorer till i had too restart it http://python.railbait.com/images/upload/Image1.jpg everytime i dragged a window it left all these trails
and as for the latest drivers there all from NVIDIA.com for motherboard, and the gfx card i aint going back too older detonators for winamp3 40.41 is alot better for WFX2, especially gaming and DVD
yes winamp3 was excluded from everything until i uninstalled it
well alot of people ive spoken to dont like winamp3 because its unstable and alot of bugs so its not just me as you seem too think
define how many peoples machines it runs fine on...?
ive not got problems with it on CPU usage as its about 0 to 2% it just uses way too much GDI at one stage it was up as high as 7,000 GDI with their default winamp3 skin 25mem usage with a very small play list as thats all i mostly use winamp or v3 for internet radio
but ever since ive uninstalled winamp3 its been a dream, i totaly think winamp3 is a joke at this time as winamp2.8 is way more stable, doesnt even use more than most 2 - 4 meg of mem & GDI is as low as 256
Explorer crashes and it must be winamp...? Are we talking about the same Explorer? You are a skinner, you should know better than that...
well it only messes with explorer.exe when running winamp3 and no none of my OS files are Hax0red and heres what it done to explorer till i had too restart it http://python.railbait.com/images/upload/Image1.jpg everytime i dragged a window it left all these trails
and as for the latest drivers there all from NVIDIA.com for motherboard, and the gfx card i aint going back too older detonators for winamp3 40.41 is alot better for WFX2, especially gaming and DVD
Integer
Reply #28 Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:17 AM
Reply #28 Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:17 AM
http://www.skinnables.org/forum.php?post_id=357
Seems like Nullsoft and Stardock have something in common
Seems like Nullsoft and Stardock have something in common
pjpowell
Reply #29 Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:26 PM
Reply #29 Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:26 PM
Voo: What you show in that screenshot is DesktopX not drawing the desktop correctly. Quite possibly because it has hung. Were any of the desktopX objects responding when you had that problem? As to whether Winamp3 caused it I have nothing to say on that matter When you can come back here with no other customisation apps running and give the same account your blaming it on Winamp3 may be more credible.
When you can come back here with no other customisation apps running and give the same account your blaming it on Winamp3 may be more credible. 
bakerstreet
Reply #30 Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:38 PM
Reply #30 Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:38 PM
I used to gripe about stardock apps, but when I did it was young software, running on the average 300-400mgz computer, on windows 98, with a circa 1999 video card(>16meg). The problems were factual, annoying, and universal. Now, people are still griping about stardock, and oddly using the same statements people made then, even though all those problems are mostly historical. Just like you, griping about bugs that were in beta versions of Winamp3. It kind of bothers me that the facts I, and others, stated then are spouted as lies now. I should have bitched to Stardock instead of on messageboards. Sound familiar?
You have a ton of skinnables running at the same time as you are running winamp3, in addition to other high-end apps that are notable for crashing systems. If you were to call tech support for one of the games you mentioned, they would ask you for a string of information 4 or 5 screens long, just to see if you have software or hardware compatiability problems. You seem to know through supernatural means.
Good luck to you, this has become boring.
You have a ton of skinnables running at the same time as you are running winamp3, in addition to other high-end apps that are notable for crashing systems. If you were to call tech support for one of the games you mentioned, they would ask you for a string of information 4 or 5 screens long, just to see if you have software or hardware compatiability problems. You seem to know through supernatural means.
Good luck to you, this has become boring.
treetog
Reply #33 Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:24 PM
Reply #33 Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:24 PM
well, I am thinking about making a try for winamp3, is it that hard for coding like some people say? does anybody knows about a good skinning tutorial for it?
KarlSATX
Reply #34 Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:51 PM
Reply #34 Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:51 PM
Im using a self-built AMD 1800+, Soundblaster Audigy Mp3, GeForce 2 MX, 512mb DDR Ram and don't have any problems at all with WA3. Actually it crashes less for me than WA2 did. I was always having touble. Now it seems it's actually working better. I would have to agree with those stating it must be crappy hardware or configuration. I had problems with McAfee VirusScan 6 and WinAmp2. Now I have no problems, the CPU usage has had no more problems. I think some people just hate when something new comes along, so they decide to make it look worse than it actually is. I must admit, it's becoming just like the AMD/Intel War. Does it really make a damn bit of difference what you think WA3 does wrong? If you don't like it, don't use it. Just please don't bitch about it. For each of you that has problems, there is one that doesn't. So lets really look at you're configuration. You think it's the software, but it may be the user that's causing the problems in the first place. Check your settings, read hardware compatibility reports. Don't just assume that since you installed it and it doesnt work for you, its a piece of junk. I've seen worse software....Windows Me is a perfect example. I've never seen a user go with windows me and not have one problem.....So wake up people....In with the new and out with the old. WA3 is coming alive...
Frogboy
Reply #35 Sunday, September 22, 2002 1:28 AM
Reply #35 Sunday, September 22, 2002 1:28 AM
No software works on 100% of systems. That's especially true right now when you have half the people running Windows 98Frogboy and the other have running Win2K/XP.
I would imagine Nullsoft mostly runs Win2K/XP (like many of us here in this disucssion).
Winamp3 IMO works pretty well on WinXP. But it uses a lot of GDI resources (which on XP is no big deal). But on Win98/ME, it is a big deal.
WindowBlinds has gone through the exact same stuff. People have always talked about how it is "buggy" or "slow" or whatever. In more recent times people have moved more and more towards feeling it's gotten "much better". The reality is that it hasn't really gotten better, it's just that more people have moved to Windows XP where GDI resources aren't an issue.
GDI resources, the secret devil of customization. Most people are oblivious to it. All desktop enhancements use them.
Each new version of WindowBlinds uses fewer and fewer of them as we learn some new trick or technique to save a GDI object here or there. Ever wonder why WB has such obnoxious image lists? Saves on GDI resources.
The fewer you use, the higher your compatibility gets.
I would be that 99% of Winamp 3 users have no problems with WA 3. But 1 out of 100 means 10,000 people out of a million and that's a LOT of ticked off people.
P.S. Integer: I concur with your view. As has been said, differences in opinion don't necessarily mean differences in principles.
I would imagine Nullsoft mostly runs Win2K/XP (like many of us here in this disucssion).
Winamp3 IMO works pretty well on WinXP. But it uses a lot of GDI resources (which on XP is no big deal). But on Win98/ME, it is a big deal.
WindowBlinds has gone through the exact same stuff. People have always talked about how it is "buggy" or "slow" or whatever. In more recent times people have moved more and more towards feeling it's gotten "much better". The reality is that it hasn't really gotten better, it's just that more people have moved to Windows XP where GDI resources aren't an issue.
GDI resources, the secret devil of customization. Most people are oblivious to it. All desktop enhancements use them.
Each new version of WindowBlinds uses fewer and fewer of them as we learn some new trick or technique to save a GDI object here or there. Ever wonder why WB has such obnoxious image lists? Saves on GDI resources.
The fewer you use, the higher your compatibility gets.
I would be that 99% of Winamp 3 users have no problems with WA 3. But 1 out of 100 means 10,000 people out of a million and that's a LOT of ticked off people.
P.S. Integer: I concur with your view. As has been said, differences in opinion don't necessarily mean differences in principles.
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Reply #21 Friday, September 20, 2002 9:17 PM
What I am saying, is that if it crashes on your system, and runs smoothly on a vast majority of other systems, should you conclude that the problem is 'crappy' software?
If you think expensive hardware has any less 'issues' than cheap hardware, you haven't bought a lot of it. I have seen celeron 400's with low-end hardware that would run an app smoothly sitting right next to bleeding-edge boxes that would crash the second the same app was loaded. Top-of-the-line Soundblaster cards have more issues than your average self-help meeting. You can make them work with about anything, though, if you have patience. A lot of people just take them back and rant about them mercilessly on messageboards...
Anyone who claims to be a developer *cough* would go to the forum at winamp and dig in when they had a problem. Either you would find your cause (sound card, video card, software conflict, etc.) or you'd help out by adding a bug to a list. The freedom to complain is balanced by the responsibility to complain fairly.