I guess I agree with both sides...like I said, I quit on it. I know I can't put the time and effort into being as creative as Grog's links, and I fully expect to see most of the 3D art here moderated out, since most of it, like most of the abstract wallpapers, are redundant with the same friggin filters after using a generic 3D app to make some curved walls and such. But hey, it is a beginning. Maybe deadman will be the next big artist doing movie animations or something. Either way, if you anjoy it, keep doing it until you get tired of it, or get good enough someone recognizes a value in it...

there are numerous tutorials out htere for Bryce, as well...try getting into non-nature settings in a real-life scenario....like a city street or something. Also, even the best have trouble. Notice Gorg's links to the one guy doing the bonsai trees? All of the bark on the trees angles straight up, instead of *with* the curve of the trunk...just some more to practice on, even for the *really good* artists...

oops... Gorg's = Grog's

heh heh...sorry about that, Grog...

I mean, come on...Adni is a great artist, but look at the creations (a big handful, not all)...Bryce and Photoshop...over and over and over. Some people get off on that, but to me (MY DAMN OPINION) it is similar to the default Bryce work everyone pumps out daily. And yet, there they are, averaging 700+ downloads a day...

So people like the same abstract 3D multi-layered glassy-with-varying-shades-of-transparency effect with some random quasi-elemental shading or randomized color shceme skinning something in the background over and over again...more power to them.

I don't hear a single complaint...or *constructive criticism* sent Adni's way for all the repetition, though.

And like I said, it is my opinion. I mean no offense to Adni or his work. Just stating what I see going on, and that I, personally, have this view point. I ain't complaining. If I was going to, about someone's work, I'd do it in their comments section.

Another two cents...hell, if I keep this up froggy can afford a cup of coffee...

shceming = scheming

dang I can't spell today...

yeah the trees in bryce are fun but you know, like colour is a tool to trick the eye, graphics programs are a trick. Someday we will see artists that arent taught the teachings of colour, like the boy that said chicken eggs come from the supermarket.
I don't mind. Different world, different values. Some works are quite good, but it will never get the personal radiation as one works with real material and a real "handwriting". Some of deadman's compositions are quite good, some of adni's too.
But you won't hang it on the wall, like you want to do with contemporary art, or the old masters for that matter.

my plans for my work is i plan to make calenders,postcards i know i'm not an advanced user of bryce but as time goes by i'll figure out new tricks and with all your suggestions i'll will work on them any thing i upload here won't have anything to do with landscapes.

Kinrik, did you check out the Tutorial that Bill Munns has up for those tree's they are made from scratch.

I'll admit it I have loved Bryce ever since I first ran across it, and I will defend it to anyone who has not even bothered to give it a try. Yes Bryce was first designed by Eric Wegner as a tool to do landscapes and not much more, but with each successive version it has become so much more. The fact that it is capable of producing decent (not great) results for a beginner should not be a flaw in it's design, but a triumph of it's programmers. How many people have tried a new program and felt overwhelmed and discouraged because of the complexity that is required to make garbage? I will be the first to admit that there is a HUGE amount of wallpapers made with Bryce that suck so bad that they should never have been allowed to see the light of day, but in my own opinion, I feel the same way about alot of the abstract wallpapers that get generated out of 3DSMax and the Filter creations of Photoshop. But I will say that I have seen more Bryce walls on normal (read non-artist, non-leet, non-geek) peoples desktops than I have "Abstract", "Artsy", "Techno" walls. Is this a bad thing? I don't think so, I put whatever I happen to like that day on my desktop.... Mind you it usually is something by Deadreamer aka Misery. Well enough of this rant, at the end of this I'm going to put a couple of links to some Bryce sites to show what can be done and some links to a bunch of tutorials to show how to do it. Every person is entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day and I will never attempt to or want to take that away. All I ask is to judge any artwork on its own individual merits and not on what software was used to produce it.

Chris

Grog trudges back to the real world to visit wife and kid....

Inspiration

Bill Munns http://www.billmunnsgallery.com/
Sylvia Lutnes http://www.thecricketcage.com/index.html
Martin Murphy http://members.attcanada.ca/~m.murphy/
Kelly McLarnon http://topazdesigns.com/~klm/
Susan Kitchens http://www.auntialias.com/home.shtml
Eric Wenger http://www.metasynth.com/BRYCEART/PAGES/galleryBryce.html
Jac Grenfell http://www.artsforge.com/gallery_new/alien_worlds/jac.html
http://www.hilltopdesign.com
http://www.ironfixerstudios.com/d2.htm
http://watchfuleye.com/brycelobby.html
http://www.squirreltape.btinternet.co.uk/
http://home.earthlink.net/~danographics/
http://terra-graphica.home.att.net/
http://www.artsforge.com/visionforge/bryceland.html
http://www.descendere.com/fred.htm
http://www.bryceworks.com/
http://www.tilenut.com/
http://www.futuristic.com/straightface/09012000.htm
http://www.gxo.com/ARCHIVESPDF/General/60616WhereisKaiKrause.pdf
http://homepage.mac.com/mprove/uni/99/Kai/PDF/KaisInterface.pdf

Tutorials

Peter Sharpe http://www.petersharpe.com/
http://www.bsmooth.de/BSolutions/
http://www.bryce-alive.net/
http://forums.delphiforums.com/bryce/start
http://www.brycetech.com/
http://www.renderosity.com/
http://www.brycemania.de/index.html
http://calyxa.best.vwh.net/pearl/tutor.html
http://www.halcyon.com/alrives/brycetips/
http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/tutorial/
http://3dmodelworld.com/brycetut.asp
http://thebrycechronicles.com/
http://www.jccreations.com/tuts.htm
http://www.bmacleod.com/bgframesfolder/frlibright.html
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryR45/
http://www.3dcafe.com/asp/tutorials/bryce/cave/cave.asp
http://www.wwug.com/forums/bryce/index.htm
http://mll.arizona.edu/tutorials/Bryce5_User.pdf
http://www.imaginationbox.com/Steve/Astro/anatomy.htm
http://interneteye3d.com/Tutorials/2001/Sept/BryceTreeLab/default.asp
http://www.planetannihilation.com/features/articles/brycemaps/
http://raven.ubalt.edu/classes/old/pbds753_F99/bryce3.cfm
http://www.corelmag.com/may01/brymask/brymask.html
http://www.wolfiesden.com/flash/bryce/tut/adv-lighting2.html
http://www.fignations.com/resources/home.html?page=/resources/brt.html

Grog goes off to look up the definition of a couple

One more link.... some more of Jac Grenfell aka Jano who can do things with the Terrain Editor in Bryce that should be impossable.... http://www.misguidedgames.com/Art/kano/kanomain.htm and a link to a page of links for more Tutorials http://www.3dlee.com/hinchu/?Objects

Night All

Chris

Ah...if only every bryce wall was like these...

Grog, I am totally in awe with some of the things I saw in the links you provided. This http://members.attcanada.ca/~m.murphy/statue.html for example. I mean, WOOOOW! I never though Bryce could do anything like this. Apart for some small flaws in the base of the statue, you'd swear it's a picture. I'm very impressed.

thanks for all the links

wow the artwork linked from here is awesome...Bryce certainly is more than reflective donuts. "Unknown Statue" is magnificent.

Kinrik: yup 60miles NE of Dallas

werewolf - heh...cool

so, does all of this mean that the admins are going to remove all of the crappy Bryce work here? methinks not. however, maybe it'll help up the ante for what skims through the approval system. Now, if only we had a bar-elevator for the photoshop junk that gets slid though with the good stuff as well...

Kinrik...in comparison with the examples shown here many of the Bryce walls currently in the wall section definitely are 'inferior' and it may be appropriate to do some subtle 'tweaking' to keep everything up to standard.

We shall see....