Any of you peeps into NFL Football ??
Sunday, September 8, 2002 by jarget | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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Tarkus
Reply #42 Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:52 PM
Reply #42 Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:52 PM
paxx: You've got your economics backwards. That people pay the high ticket prices allows teams to pay higher salaries; the high salaries don't lead to high ticket prices. They can't charge more than the market would bear, and they'd be foolish to charge less (notwithstanding building longterm support).
Also, it's not true that society pays athletes more than doctors and teachers. It's not even close. The money spent on health and education dwarfs the money spent on athletics. And only the very best athletes make a ton of money, just like the very top educators and doctors. And the educators and doctors have MUCH longer careers.
I'm not saying pro athletes don't have it great, but I think they're often put in unfair comparisons.
Also, it's not true that society pays athletes more than doctors and teachers. It's not even close. The money spent on health and education dwarfs the money spent on athletics. And only the very best athletes make a ton of money, just like the very top educators and doctors. And the educators and doctors have MUCH longer careers.
I'm not saying pro athletes don't have it great, but I think they're often put in unfair comparisons.
risk7
Reply #43 Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:04 PM
Reply #43 Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:04 PM
Yeah, it does say alot about society. Welcome too capitalism.
paxx
Reply #44 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:14 AM
Reply #44 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:14 AM
Capitalism? Hum, I don't remember the chapter about sports athletes in my economics books.
Just 20 years ago, and that's not too long ago, athlete made a more normal salary. Still a lot, but nothing like the tens of millions they make today. Was the sport less interesting then when salaries were more reasonnable? Actually, it was more interesting.
Take basaball for example. There was one season in the 90's where the Montreal Expos weer almost certain to win the championship so much they were better than any other team. It was a once only chance for Montreal. Then, a couple of weeks before the end of the regular season, the millionaires decide to go on strike because they wanted yet more millions. The season was canceled. The following season all the good players left the team because they were asking for too much money. Montreal will never be able to affort the same budget as a lot of american cities. We are not as rich and never will be.
Anyway, let me tell you that baseball died that year in Montreal. From then on, nobody goes to that stadium anymore, the team still has no money and now the team is going to move in another city. Good riddance.
The Montreal people will never forget the year of the strike, where the spoiled millionaire betrayed us. Bye bye Expos! Go where ever and abuse somebody else's admiration.
Just 20 years ago, and that's not too long ago, athlete made a more normal salary. Still a lot, but nothing like the tens of millions they make today. Was the sport less interesting then when salaries were more reasonnable? Actually, it was more interesting.
Take basaball for example. There was one season in the 90's where the Montreal Expos weer almost certain to win the championship so much they were better than any other team. It was a once only chance for Montreal. Then, a couple of weeks before the end of the regular season, the millionaires decide to go on strike because they wanted yet more millions. The season was canceled. The following season all the good players left the team because they were asking for too much money. Montreal will never be able to affort the same budget as a lot of american cities. We are not as rich and never will be.
Anyway, let me tell you that baseball died that year in Montreal. From then on, nobody goes to that stadium anymore, the team still has no money and now the team is going to move in another city. Good riddance.
The Montreal people will never forget the year of the strike, where the spoiled millionaire betrayed us. Bye bye Expos! Go where ever and abuse somebody else's admiration.
Tarkus
Reply #45 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:49 PM
Reply #45 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:49 PM
You're continuing to show your ignorance on the subject matter, paxx. Baseball players did not go on strike for more money. They went on strike to prevent the owners from locking them out and imposing their own rules.
Media hype to the contrary, the MLB players have been steadily giving up rights ever since 1974, when they had total and absolute free agency. They make a lot of money, but it's still less than market value.
Media hype to the contrary, the MLB players have been steadily giving up rights ever since 1974, when they had total and absolute free agency. They make a lot of money, but it's still less than market value.
elvee
Reply #46 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:27 PM
Reply #46 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:27 PM
9/11 has just gotten sadder as the Great Johnny Unitas has passed away today 
WasupBoy
Reply #47 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:30 PM
Reply #47 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:30 PM
*sniffles!*
elvee is rite.. it is sad and we shouldn't let this happen again..
elvee is rite.. it is sad and we shouldn't let this happen again..
davad70
Reply #48 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:35 PM
Reply #48 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:35 PM
Tarkus - You have your facts backwards regarding MLB players prior to 1974. Before 1974 players had no rights whatsoever. Team owners basically owned the rights to their players for life.
That's why prior to that time, you could easily identify who played for what team, because a group of players would often stay together for their entire career.
In 1970, a St. Louis Cardinal player named Curt Flood sued MLB regarding this "reserve clause", and the case eventually went before the US Supreme Court. Flood lost the case, but it laid the groundwork for the players to rid themselves of the reserve clause shortly thereafter.
That's why prior to that time, you could easily identify who played for what team, because a group of players would often stay together for their entire career.
That's why prior to that time, you could easily identify who played for what team, because a group of players would often stay together for their entire career.
In 1970, a St. Louis Cardinal player named Curt Flood sued MLB regarding this "reserve clause", and the case eventually went before the US Supreme Court. Flood lost the case, but it laid the groundwork for the players to rid themselves of the reserve clause shortly thereafter.
That's why prior to that time, you could easily identify who played for what team, because a group of players would often stay together for their entire career.
paxx
Reply #50 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:53 PM
Reply #50 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:53 PM
The whole issue was mainly about the salary cap. Basketball had it, Football had it, but Baseball and Hockey players were fighting against it. The whole baseball strike revolved around that very issue. If that is not going on strike for more money, I wonder what is. Refusing a salary cap is crying that a few million dollars is not enough.
Oh and I did not get my econimics backwards the first time either. They charge you more because they have to pay the players more (and other expenses too of course).
Do you know how much it costs to go to a baseball game in Montreal? Tickets start at 5$ (it was 5$ also when baseball was at its peak in 1994). We don't have a rich team. Fans here will not pay 50$ per ticket to go watch a baseball game like they would say in Atlanta. The result is that Atlanta pays twice more money to they 7 most paid players than Montreal pays for the salaries for the whole team.
And, just for fun, here's a few facts about baseball:
- Average Baseball Salary is $2,300.000.00.
- The minimum wage for a professional baseball player is $200,000.00 Per Year.
- Over half of all major league baseball players make more than one million dollars per year.
- Alex Rodriguez makes $155,555.00 per game if he plays all 162 games.
- Alex Rodriguez makes $38,888.89 for every at bat if he batted four times per game for all 162 games.
- Tom Glavine makes over $200,000.00 per starting pitching assignment for the Atlanta Braves.
- The meal money per day for each player is $325.00 per day.
- The average cost to attend a baseball game at Turner Field in Atlanta, Ga. for a family of four is $286.00.
- Percentage of players who use steroids according to 1996 Most Valuable Player, Ken Caminati, 50%.
- Percentage of players who use steroids according to Kurt Schilling, last year CY Young award winner, 85%.
- Amount of testing for steroids allowed by the Major League Baseball Union -0-.
(source: http://www.major-league-baseball-strike.com)
Oh and I did not get my econimics backwards the first time either. They charge you more because they have to pay the players more (and other expenses too of course).
Do you know how much it costs to go to a baseball game in Montreal? Tickets start at 5$ (it was 5$ also when baseball was at its peak in 1994). We don't have a rich team. Fans here will not pay 50$ per ticket to go watch a baseball game like they would say in Atlanta. The result is that Atlanta pays twice more money to they 7 most paid players than Montreal pays for the salaries for the whole team.
And, just for fun, here's a few facts about baseball:
- Average Baseball Salary is $2,300.000.00.
- The minimum wage for a professional baseball player is $200,000.00 Per Year.
- Over half of all major league baseball players make more than one million dollars per year.
- Alex Rodriguez makes $155,555.00 per game if he plays all 162 games.
- Alex Rodriguez makes $38,888.89 for every at bat if he batted four times per game for all 162 games.
- Tom Glavine makes over $200,000.00 per starting pitching assignment for the Atlanta Braves.
- The meal money per day for each player is $325.00 per day.
- The average cost to attend a baseball game at Turner Field in Atlanta, Ga. for a family of four is $286.00.
- Percentage of players who use steroids according to 1996 Most Valuable Player, Ken Caminati, 50%.
- Percentage of players who use steroids according to Kurt Schilling, last year CY Young award winner, 85%.
- Amount of testing for steroids allowed by the Major League Baseball Union -0-.
(source: http://www.major-league-baseball-strike.com)
davad70
Reply #51 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Reply #51 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Some very good points paxx. For several reasons the salary cap in the NFL has allowed football to surpass baseball as the american pastime.
Also forgot about the comment from tarkus that baseball players make less than market value. Compare the salaries of superstar football players with superstar baseball players. There's not much comparison. Without researching the exact figures I would venture to say that there are not more than 5 football players who make over 10 million dollars, yet there are probably triple that number of baseball players over 10 million. Yet football is far and away the most popular sport in this country. I know baseball players play 162 games versus 16, but the wear and tear on the body and physical exertion is probably equal nonetheless.
Also forgot about the comment from tarkus that baseball players make less than market value. Compare the salaries of superstar football players with superstar baseball players. There's not much comparison. Without researching the exact figures I would venture to say that there are not more than 5 football players who make over 10 million dollars, yet there are probably triple that number of baseball players over 10 million. Yet football is far and away the most popular sport in this country. I know baseball players play 162 games versus 16, but the wear and tear on the body and physical exertion is probably equal nonetheless.
WOM
Reply #52 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:09 PM
Reply #52 Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:09 PM
I agree with paxx. Davad70 I think your number is wrong. It's probably more than 6 or 7 times. It is a sad state when you pay a ball player 25 million a year. That yould pay for a lot of teachers or firemen or policemen.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:48 PM