So, just how good are intergrated graphics these days?
Monday, October 29, 2012 by Philly0381 | Discussion: Personal Computing
The reason that I pose this question is that recently my previous computer decided that it was done providing me any enjoyment in my life, (still not sure if it was suicide or murder, may have been the poisoned mushrooms).
I now have an off the shelf Gateway that has a second generation i5-2320 CPU @ 3.00GHz, 500GB HD, 16.0GB of DDR3 ram (came with 4.0GB) and integrated Intel HD Graphics 2000. Trying to be as intelligent as I could be about setting up the new computer I was advised to first hook up the keyboard, mouse and monitor to be sure it operated correctly out of the box. This it did very nicely. I had a spare video card but the graphics I was seeing on the monitor was pretty good, in fact as good as what I remembered the previous computer was with a GeForce GT100 1GB DDR2 video card. There are connections for HDMI and VGA off the mother board. I tried the HDMI on the 46in LED TV and it didn't like it much, so I connected the VGA output to it and sent off for a HDMI to DVI connector as my 24in LED monitor has only DVI. I now have two monitors working in clone mode and am very pleased.
Here is a screenshot of Intel Graphics and Media Control Panel.

As you can see it gives you a lot of options/functions in setting up your system. I can set up a single monitor or dual monitors running in clone or extended mode.
Now I am in now way an expert when it comes to computers, just one of the many users out there that has a computer to do email, searching the internet and doing desktop customizing and occasionally playing a game of solitaire. I in no way want folks to interpret what I am saying and showing as meaning that there is no need to install a separate video/graphics card. I'm sure that for a lot of you that are serious gamers or folks that use their computer to earn income doing 3D rendering and such that you couldn't do that kind of thing with integrated graphics.
So what do you think, heard or read on new versions of integrated graphics?
Reply #22 Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:50 PM
Philly did you run this, I'll admit I'm curious:
My Laptop [ASUS R500A] has Intel HD4000 graphics and gets a WEI of 4.6.
My Desktop has a ASUS GTX590 card and gets a WEI of 7.9. [maximum].
The GTX590 cost $200 more than the entire laptop.
Reply #23 Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:44 PM
Those have never required anything more then an integrated graphics card. And a newer iGPU will work better for those then an ancient as hell dGPU.
The point of having a graphics card is for 3d graphics, if your game is not rendering a 3d world then you don't need one.
Reply #24 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:55 PM
@ starkers I guess I must not be much of computer person, probably should stick with pen/pencil and paper.
I don't see a need to upgrade the power supply for the following reasons.
1. The integrated graphics seem to be working fine so no need to add a video card
2. The computer is wifi ready, no card needed.
3. I use a 46in LED TV as my monitor which is connected to a home theater system so the sound off the mobo is okay, no sound card needed.
4. I do run a USB HD Docking Station but it doesn't get it's power through the USB connection, has a power cord.
All this means that there are four PCI slots that have nothing in them and thus not adding internal heat to the system
Tell me if I'm missing something or being shortsighted.
@ DaveRI I thought that because I didn't have a video card installed was the reason I couldn't run WEI. I have sent an email off to Gateway to see what the problem is. Once they get back to me I will let you know what they say.
Reply #25 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:41 PM
My Laptop [ASUS R500A] has Intel HD4000 graphics and gets a WEI of 4.6.
My Desktop has a ASUS GTX590 card and gets a WEI of 7.9. [maximum].
The GTX590 cost $200 more than the entire laptop.
I have GTX590 too, FTW! Brilliant card, totally worth the money. Never used it for multi-GPU gaming though, but to render some archviz...and funnily, to that purpose, its better than newer gtx690, which is sold for 300 EUROs more over here now than what i paid for 590 last year.
Reply #26 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:45 PM
Thanks.
I had a Gateway awhile back, it treated me well. Mainstream package machines are kind of designed to Plug-and-run-as-is as opposed to load-up-the-case. Not quite sure which I'll do next time around, but it appears that it'll be a little sooner than I was hoping, and at this point plug-and-run is an attractive option. Computers are great hobbies, they'll suck up all the cash you want to throw at them
Reply #27 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:53 PM
I don't see a need to upgrade the power supply for the following reasons.
1. The integrated graphics seem to be working fine so no need to add a video card
2. The computer is wifi ready, no card needed.
3. I use a 46in LED TV as my monitor which is connected to a home theater system so the sound off the mobo is okay, no sound card needed.
4. I do run a USB HD Docking Station but it doesn't get it's power through the USB connection, has a power cord.
All this means that there are four PCI slots that have nothing in them and thus not adding internal heat to the system
Tell me if I'm missing something or being shortsighted.
Well I guess if you don't intend or need to add anything internally, and any replacement parts [if ever needed] are of the same power rating, then you'll be okay with the 300w. It just seems like such a small power output in today's terms, with everything bigger and better than in yesteryear, but if Gateway manufactured the machine with just 300w, then I'm sure it'll be fine. They would have assessed the power requirements for that particular setup and then allocated the correct power output for it, so I guess it was just me being a worry wort.
After listening to various people with high-end this and that, 300w just seemed underpowered in terms of today's machines. Looks like you got it covered, though, and if ever you do want to upgrade something internally, at least you'll look into upping you PSU to accommodate it.
Reply #28 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:02 PM
Having a higher rated power supply than you need isn't a bad thing necessarily. If you're below maximum load it's cooler, more efficient, and lasts longer.
Stock power supplies are not all bad, but I think you would feel reassured to know a little bit more about your power supply than its power rating which, as I've just alluded to, is the maximum load it can take. Most computer power supplies run best when they're at 75% or less, which comes out as 225W for yours. Now that's fine for covering all the basics, but you can see that it doesn't give you a lot of breathing room if you wanted to add things later.
Reply #29 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:05 PM
Yes, what MarvinKosh said....
Never scrimp-out on your Power specs. You 'can' end up frying your entire machine...or at least its MoBo.
I have a bucket-full of bits that used to be an Acer Travelmate ....dead because the psu/charging circuits of the MoBo went tits-up.
Reply #30 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:12 PM
Jafo, wouldn't you think thought that the power supply that came with the computer is sufficient for as the computer is configured or doesn't the manufacturer worry about that?
MarvinKosh, based on my replies to starkers, what else would I be looking at putting in the computer?
Reply #31 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:25 PM
Manufacturers are pre-occupied with the bottom line...so everything is 'minimal' and will do 'just'. If and when you wish to add something trivial they'll say..."oh, gosh that will entail you ALSO buy [from us] a bigger PSU". They get you TWICE.
My last 2 machines were home-made ... so their PSUs were 'appropriate' for not 'just' the current specs but for potential/likely upgrades.
Old one was a P4 3.0gig has a TruePower 600w ...
Current one is a i7 920 with a Antec TruePower Quattro 1000w ... I have 5 physical HDs, 2 burners, the GTX590 and sundry other crap to support...![]()
Reply #32 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:52 PM
Reply #33 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:53 PM
I suppose if I ever do get to that point that I want to add some new function or option then I would have to get a bigger power supply unit. I just don't see that happening anytime in the near future. What can I say, I'm easily satisfied.
Reply #34 Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:04 PM
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/24/nvidia-geforce-gtx-590-3gb-review/8
Peak power consumption of 'just' the Graphic card I use is 491 watts.
Even at 'idle' it's 156 watts.
If you wish to run some high-end 3D games you'll find both your HD2000 and your PSU to be suffering/lacking.... but pushing pens and surfing will be just fine and dandy...![]()
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Reply #21 Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:24 PM
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I think the machine could do with a PSU upgrade anyway, as it leaves no scope for upgraded or additional hardware without the risk of overload and burning it out, thus taking the mobo and other stuff with it.
starkers, I would be interested in seeing what upgrades you are talking about. For reference as to the type of computer user I am read the OP again.
I wasn't so much referring to performance-type upgrades, but more when you need to replace a component and have to go up a level or two because yours isn't available anymore. That happened to me once. My graphics card went South while still under warranty and my PSU had to be upgraded because it was underpowered for the replacement card, which was rated higher due to the previous one being discontinued. The other reason you might need to up your PSU is if you needed to add another storage HDD, or extra fans for Summer cooling, etc.
I have a 1200w PSU, and I certainly wouldn't use that much power, but I'd rather have more than enough than risk component damage with a borderline, just adequate unit that strains to keep up under load.