To what extent is this site an exposition of artwork?
Thursday, June 6, 2002 by Fishbone | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Just want to see your point of view on this matter.I find it really amazing that so many people join their creativity,display their work and share it with others.The only question I have is to what extent this is pure art or just the answear to the subconcious need of modern man to consume images in a fastfood manner.
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MobiusCo
Reply #42 Friday, June 7, 2002 8:58 PM
Reply #42 Friday, June 7, 2002 8:58 PM
I think that is what shocked me the most, out of any of the posting here yours had been one that shocked me the most, but to see the statement you made about the meaning behind the statement makes sense now, and sorry for jumping on you about it.
Jafo
Reply #43 Friday, June 7, 2002 9:03 PM
Reply #43 Friday, June 7, 2002 9:03 PM
If a work [not using the word 'art'] of creativity is admired or appreciated by others, perhaps preferably 'numerous' others, then it can quite justifiably be called 'art'. It can be splashes of paint on canvas....pixels on a wallpaper....a clever arrangement of chrome pipe and leather on a chair....a photograph of Nicole Kidman....a Song by Deep Purple [OK....they're on my player at the moment]...a bird sitting on a branch....a WinAMP skin....the house on my drawing board....the DB4 Zagato Aston Martin [that I wish was in my driveway]....they are all legitimate depictions/examples of 'art'.
Paxx....IF a work of art also happens to have a truly 'functional' use it doesn't degrade its worth as art....it is more likely to enhance its value though....having BOTH function AND form...
OK, if it's 'art for art's sake', then you get a daggy blob on a canvas, or a stack of neatly folded blankets....and a bunch of idiot-savants falling over each-other to bask in reflected glory...'Picasso is 1337, because we say so'.
If the art has true merit people will more likely just say nothing.....and look and be mesmerized...
Every year, Ferrari release their new F1 car....and my comment is invariably...'yep, they've done it again.....such beautiful lines'.....maybe it's my 30 years of Architecture, design, and spatial appreciation/experience, but I definitely see 'art' in a hell of a lot more things than just 'things hanging on a wall'....
Paxx....IF a work of art also happens to have a truly 'functional' use it doesn't degrade its worth as art....it is more likely to enhance its value though....having BOTH function AND form...
OK, if it's 'art for art's sake', then you get a daggy blob on a canvas, or a stack of neatly folded blankets....and a bunch of idiot-savants falling over each-other to bask in reflected glory...'Picasso is 1337, because we say so'.
If the art has true merit people will more likely just say nothing.....and look and be mesmerized...
Every year, Ferrari release their new F1 car....and my comment is invariably...'yep, they've done it again.....such beautiful lines'.....maybe it's my 30 years of Architecture, design, and spatial appreciation/experience, but I definitely see 'art' in a hell of a lot more things than just 'things hanging on a wall'....
UBoB
Reply #44 Friday, June 7, 2002 9:19 PM
Reply #44 Friday, June 7, 2002 9:19 PM
Doing this for the mere joy of doing it. What is wrong with that?
It is, I'm afraid, another indication of the times we live in. It seems that today we live by a certain creed that boils down to this...If what you do is not something people can watch on television, then it's not worth doing.
I just do it because it's fun. Plain and simple. No adoration of the masses. No boastful bleating from the herd. No crack-brain consensus of the multitudes. Just *fun*.
<- (see, fun)
It is, I'm afraid, another indication of the times we live in. It seems that today we live by a certain creed that boils down to this...If what you do is not something people can watch on television, then it's not worth doing.
I just do it because it's fun. Plain and simple. No adoration of the masses. No boastful bleating from the herd. No crack-brain consensus of the multitudes. Just *fun*.
<- (see, fun)
paxx
Reply #45 Friday, June 7, 2002 10:32 PM
Reply #45 Friday, June 7, 2002 10:32 PM
Oh well, I don't agree. But I'm the only one here. Hehe!
That's OK, I know I'm unique.
I still say wallpapers and skins are not the 8th Art.
But I'm not saying computer graphics isn't Art. MobiusCo, your work truly is Art. When I download it and look at it, I go Wow! And I save a few of your works and a few others like that. And once in a while, I open them and look at them.
Sometimes I even use some of them as desktop wallpapers. Sometimes I modify them a little though to give me more room to place my icons on the sides.
Ofeten too, I use some landscapes as wallpaper. I like landscapes on my desktop. Dunno why. But heck I hate landscape in Art. I would never put a lanscape on my home's wall. Berk! But on my desktop, it's different. It works there. Summer lanscape in the summer, winter lanscapes in the summer. Sometimes some sports pictures. Nothing to do with Art.
But sometimes I like to have art on my desktop too. That's when I use your stuff and a few others. Sometimes I also put some Monet or Renoir (I love Renoir).
For the last time, this is how I see it simplified:
- Desktop wallpapers are not Art
- But you can put Art on your desktop, as you can put other things that aren't art.
Grinffinme:
- Nutscracker is a ballet, and I said that dance is Art.
- A lot of people actually don't consider Strauss much more than a Britney Spears of the 19th century.
That's OK, I know I'm unique.
I still say wallpapers and skins are not the 8th Art.
But I'm not saying computer graphics isn't Art. MobiusCo, your work truly is Art. When I download it and look at it, I go Wow! And I save a few of your works and a few others like that. And once in a while, I open them and look at them.
Sometimes I even use some of them as desktop wallpapers. Sometimes I modify them a little though to give me more room to place my icons on the sides.
Ofeten too, I use some landscapes as wallpaper. I like landscapes on my desktop. Dunno why. But heck I hate landscape in Art. I would never put a lanscape on my home's wall. Berk! But on my desktop, it's different. It works there. Summer lanscape in the summer, winter lanscapes in the summer. Sometimes some sports pictures. Nothing to do with Art.
But sometimes I like to have art on my desktop too. That's when I use your stuff and a few others. Sometimes I also put some Monet or Renoir (I love Renoir).
For the last time, this is how I see it simplified:
- Desktop wallpapers are not Art
- But you can put Art on your desktop, as you can put other things that aren't art.
Grinffinme:
- Nutscracker is a ballet, and I said that dance is Art.
- A lot of people actually don't consider Strauss much more than a Britney Spears of the 19th century.
skinner7892
Reply #46 Friday, June 7, 2002 11:09 PM
Reply #46 Friday, June 7, 2002 11:09 PM
Mmmm, that's an hard choice you put us on paxx: Strauss or Britney?
Griffinme
Reply #47 Saturday, June 8, 2002 12:00 AM I wonder who would be insulted and who would feel complimented by that statement.
Reply #47 Saturday, June 8, 2002 12:00 AM
I wonder who would be insulted and who would feel complimented by that statement. 
Lecrayon
Reply #49 Saturday, June 8, 2002 3:20 PM
Reply #49 Saturday, June 8, 2002 3:20 PM
Well...maybe I shouldn't participate in this thread, but OK..Let me try...I can go along a lot of what Paxx has said, but something new is perhasps evolving too... Maybe every form of creation is art? Perhaps cloning too, and gen manipulation...Who is to tell? My opinion is that art goes beyond craftsmanship. Ofcourse, you need the tools and knowledge to become grandmaster in craftsmanship, but then the fun starts. There should be no limits in imagination or expression, it'just as far as you can reach on a given moment. Maybe Picasso is a good example, or Hundertwasser. Or even Monet. Rietveld's chair 
Who knows, one day all the handcraft paintings will disappear from the wall and will be replaced by superthin screens that have a wireless connection to a webcam in the Great Barrier Reef (at least there is clear water there), or the butchershop. Or you can buy and enjoy an hour of images of digital works from a database...
Who knows, one day all the handcraft paintings will disappear from the wall and will be replaced by superthin screens that have a wireless connection to a webcam in the Great Barrier Reef (at least there is clear water there), or the butchershop. Or you can buy and enjoy an hour of images of digital works from a database...
MarkMcQ
Reply #50 Saturday, June 8, 2002 4:21 PM
Reply #50 Saturday, June 8, 2002 4:21 PM
I've never understood the fascination with trying to define what 'art' is.
Everyone has a different perspective on it.
Some guy paints a beautiful abstract painting of his interpretation of the universe. Is it art? He would think so.
Some other fella decides to take a crap on a plate, and sell it for 200 grand. Is it art? He would think so.
Besides, during all that wasted time spent defining what it all means, think how many 'pieces of work' the 2nd guy has sold.....
Everyone has a different perspective on it.
Some guy paints a beautiful abstract painting of his interpretation of the universe. Is it art? He would think so.
Some other fella decides to take a crap on a plate, and sell it for 200 grand. Is it art? He would think so.
Besides, during all that wasted time spent defining what it all means, think how many 'pieces of work' the 2nd guy has sold.....
Lecrayon
Reply #52 Saturday, June 8, 2002 5:51 PM
Reply #52 Saturday, June 8, 2002 5:51 PM
Aaaaaaaah, I always wondered to whom Ben was a brother
MarkMcQ
Reply #53 Saturday, June 8, 2002 6:04 PM
Reply #53 Saturday, June 8, 2002 6:04 PM
If anyone really wants to understand Art, Paul Simon is the man to ask.....
migellito
Reply #54 Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:01 PM
Reply #54 Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:01 PM
at one time, years ago, i had a very narrow view of what art, or at least good art, was. i was of the opinion that all these impressionists, cubists, modernists, etc. were all a load of con artists who had managed to pass their churned out tripe off as something special.
i felt the classicists were the only way to go. neo-classicists too, for that matter. michaelangelo, raphael, the ancient roman who did that unbelievably amazing bust of julius caesar [the likes of which was never touched by the renaissance artists.] then also people like maxfield parrish and michael whelan. frazetta, boris and their descendants. then i realized jim lee did amazing -art- then i re-discovered giger.
then i was lucky enough to be at the nexus of an amazing coincidence. i was 26. i was patient and open-minded. i was in an intro level art history class in college. the professor had an outstanding ability to translate her thoughts and feelings into words.
finally, i got it. i looked at 'fall' by jackson pollack and knew.. KNEW.. how he -felt- about fall. about the season, about what it meant to him, about where he lived, everything.. everything 'fall' meant to him, i knew. all from little spatters of paint on a gigantic canvas. and i knew that he was a truly great artist. he had conveyed to me, over years and countless miles, something no person could ever have spoken with mere words, no matter how eloquent.
i knew those others i liked before were great art too.. but now i knew why.
i felt the classicists were the only way to go. neo-classicists too, for that matter. michaelangelo, raphael, the ancient roman who did that unbelievably amazing bust of julius caesar [the likes of which was never touched by the renaissance artists.] then also people like maxfield parrish and michael whelan. frazetta, boris and their descendants. then i realized jim lee did amazing -art- then i re-discovered giger.
then i was lucky enough to be at the nexus of an amazing coincidence. i was 26. i was patient and open-minded. i was in an intro level art history class in college. the professor had an outstanding ability to translate her thoughts and feelings into words.
finally, i got it. i looked at 'fall' by jackson pollack and knew.. KNEW.. how he -felt- about fall. about the season, about what it meant to him, about where he lived, everything.. everything 'fall' meant to him, i knew. all from little spatters of paint on a gigantic canvas. and i knew that he was a truly great artist. he had conveyed to me, over years and countless miles, something no person could ever have spoken with mere words, no matter how eloquent.
i knew those others i liked before were great art too.. but now i knew why.
Doreen
Reply #55 Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:48 PM
Reply #55 Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:48 PM
True mig when you come across a good artist you can look at their work and see right into their soul from looking at their creations, and it does not have to be an artsy painting on a canvas either it can be anything a person creates w/ their spirit & their heart.
you can see it even through skins as funny as that sounds, and it's using your minds eye to see it...
Not everyone posesses the skills to "get out" what is in their mind and heart on cavas or Digitally though, THAT is the hard part... hehe
and what makes the difference
you can see it even through skins as funny as that sounds, and it's using your minds eye to see it...
Not everyone posesses the skills to "get out" what is in their mind and heart on cavas or Digitally though, THAT is the hard part... hehe
and what makes the difference
Doreen
Reply #56 Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:50 PM
Reply #56 Saturday, June 8, 2002 11:50 PM
I'm typing on a strange keyboard (a gel like one) can't get use to this thing yet, excuse my typos
anyways Jafo needs to be kept on his toes! hehe
anyways Jafo needs to be kept on his toes! hehe
craeonics
Reply #58 Monday, June 10, 2002 4:56 AM
Reply #58 Monday, June 10, 2002 4:56 AM
Uh oh... feelings and emotions... I hate it when people bring those into a discussion. For me it is pure skill, nothing else.
craeonics also does not like poetry
craeonics also does not like poetry
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Reply #41 Friday, June 7, 2002 8:57 PM