Star Bores
Monday, May 27, 2002 by jcg | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I finally saw "Attack of the Clones" tonight. Sorry folks, this movie was pathetic. The androids showed more emotion than the "lovers" and Anakin Skywalker was a spoiled petulant brat. To believe that he eventually becomes Darth Vader is absurd. When he describes how he killed the women and children along with the men, instead of being shocked, I laughed. I was waiting for him to stamp his little feet, throw himself on the floor and start kicking.
If Alec Guiness were alive today, Ian McGregor's portrayal of Obi Wan would kill him. And then, to top it off, didn't anybody see "Galaxy Quest"? The scene with the automated assembly line was right out of it, and even Sigourney Weaver thought it was bad writing and her character wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.
If Alec Guiness were alive today, Ian McGregor's portrayal of Obi Wan would kill him. And then, to top it off, didn't anybody see "Galaxy Quest"? The scene with the automated assembly line was right out of it, and even Sigourney Weaver thought it was bad writing and her character wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.
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LoidiBoid
Reply #22 Monday, May 27, 2002 8:43 PM
Reply #22 Monday, May 27, 2002 8:43 PM
Very good point Jafo! I too still "wow" a lot during 2001: A Space Odyssey and have done so each & every time I've seen it... although back in the sixties (in Cinerama Super 70mm) it was more like, "Hey, wooow... far out, man"! 
Although on an entirely different level, Star Wars is, however, still great fun (and great business for the local Aussie film industry). But kids really should see "2001" once they get over the six second attention span stage!
LoidiBoid assumes most of the above catagory would already have become bored with this three paragraph post!!
Although on an entirely different level, Star Wars is, however, still great fun (and great business for the local Aussie film industry). But kids really should see "2001" once they get over the six second attention span stage!
LoidiBoid assumes most of the above catagory would already have become bored with this three paragraph post!!
Sylva
Reply #23 Monday, May 27, 2002 9:11 PM
Reply #23 Monday, May 27, 2002 9:11 PM
Sylva thinks that if all movie critics wrote critiques as well (and funny) as jcg, she might actually take time to read them *s*
I think I'll also wait till it comes out on video. I never liked sitting in a dark crowded room with a bunch of strangers. Till then I'll just stay entertained by everyone else's opinions. *s*
I think I'll also wait till it comes out on video. I never liked sitting in a dark crowded room with a bunch of strangers. Till then I'll just stay entertained by everyone else's opinions. *s*
paxx
Reply #24 Monday, May 27, 2002 9:53 PM
Reply #24 Monday, May 27, 2002 9:53 PM
I just finished reading an article where Dave Prowse (Darth Vador in the first 3 movies) was criticizing the new Star Wars.
He claims that the new SW movies lost that Star Wars magic that the first 3 had. He says also that the acting in Episode 2 is terrible and that Attack of the Clones depends too much on the special effects and not enough on the scenario. He declared to tha San Francisco Examiner that "part of the interpretation was rather insipid. I think that it's what you get when you rely too much on the blue background." (I'm translating here, I read the article in French). He also added "I think that the original Star Wars was a very basic movie, with victory of Good against Evil, relationship between the protagonists and a bad guy. People remember the caracters such as Han Solo, Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker, and not as Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher or Mark Hamill. Today, people talk more about Ewan McGregor or Liam Neeson for the first one, [...] It lost its magic."
I haven't seen the second one yet. But going by Episode 1, I tend to agree.
Note: I saw the trailer on TV, and if I go just by that, I will never even rent it. I just hope it's better than the trailer made it look. I REALLY HATE puns in movies, such as "I hate when he does that" after Skywalker jumps off a flying car... Actually, if it weren't for that line in the movie trailer, I probably would have gone to see it already.
He claims that the new SW movies lost that Star Wars magic that the first 3 had. He says also that the acting in Episode 2 is terrible and that Attack of the Clones depends too much on the special effects and not enough on the scenario. He declared to tha San Francisco Examiner that "part of the interpretation was rather insipid. I think that it's what you get when you rely too much on the blue background." (I'm translating here, I read the article in French). He also added "I think that the original Star Wars was a very basic movie, with victory of Good against Evil, relationship between the protagonists and a bad guy. People remember the caracters such as Han Solo, Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker, and not as Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher or Mark Hamill. Today, people talk more about Ewan McGregor or Liam Neeson for the first one, [...] It lost its magic."
I haven't seen the second one yet. But going by Episode 1, I tend to agree.
Note: I saw the trailer on TV, and if I go just by that, I will never even rent it. I just hope it's better than the trailer made it look. I REALLY HATE puns in movies, such as "I hate when he does that" after Skywalker jumps off a flying car... Actually, if it weren't for that line in the movie trailer, I probably would have gone to see it already.
Jafo
Reply #25 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:46 AM
Reply #25 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:46 AM
Patric...it's worth seeing just for the 'blue-screen' bits....you could ignore the dialogue and just enjoy the CGI....just like Final Fantasy...
jcg
Reply #26 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:31 AM
Reply #26 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:31 AM
The characters in FF were more lifelike then the actors in "Attack of the Clones" which BTW is a more appropriate title than Lucas had ever intended.
One of the reasons I'm so down on AOTC is it looked as if George Lucas was far less interested in making this movie than we were in seeing it. It seemed as though he was counting on the FX and fan loyalty to make up for the abysmal acting and directing. The actors were the props and vice versa. Even the story seemed to be playing second fiddle to the CGI.
One of the reasons I'm so down on AOTC is it looked as if George Lucas was far less interested in making this movie than we were in seeing it. It seemed as though he was counting on the FX and fan loyalty to make up for the abysmal acting and directing. The actors were the props and vice versa. Even the story seemed to be playing second fiddle to the CGI.
craeonics
Reply #27 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:30 AM
Reply #27 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:30 AM
craeonics will probably not see it till it gets aired on tv (which will be around the time 3 comes out)
But a friend of mine saw it. He said: "They obviosuly spent a lot of time on the FX. Yoda is the man, showing some seirous Wushu with his light sabre. And Queen Amidala is pretty hot too".
To which I replied he is talking about a muppet and he should get over his Nathalie Portman obsession.
Yoda alone is one reason why not to take Star Wars seriously.
But a friend of mine saw it. He said: "They obviosuly spent a lot of time on the FX. Yoda is the man, showing some seirous Wushu with his light sabre. And Queen Amidala is pretty hot too".
To which I replied he is talking about a muppet and he should get over his Nathalie Portman obsession.
Yoda alone is one reason why not to take Star Wars seriously.
Jafo
Reply #28 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:03 AM
Reply #28 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:03 AM
Crae...there's nothing wrong with muppets.....but seriously, Animal would kick Yoda's arse...
craeonics
Reply #29 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:09 AM
Reply #29 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:09 AM
Even Kermit would kick Yoda's ass. I'd like to see the two old geezers show up in Star Wars. Now that would be something.
Doreen
Reply #30 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:13 AM
Reply #30 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:13 AM
Doreen will watch Scooby first before Star wars anyday...
couple more weeks can't wait!
couple more weeks can't wait!
Firestorm
Reply #31 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:52 PM
Reply #31 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:52 PM
Why didn't the death star just blow up the planet that the rebel base was orbiting (rebel base was a moon orbiting a planet). Pretty big plot hole.
I'm gonna guess the DS super-mega-mondo-laser-death ray took a while to reload and thus they had to use it on the actual moon? Other than that, I have no explanation.
I haven't seen AOTC yet (won't open in Venezuela till July 3 >
) but I can't believe the hatred some people have for it. I've seen mostly positive reviews of it, with some people saying it's as good as ESB, but the few who disliked it didn't just dislike it, they HATED it. I wonder if it would be as hated if it'd come from another creator and not Lucas.
I'm gonna guess the DS super-mega-mondo-laser-death ray took a while to reload and thus they had to use it on the actual moon? Other than that, I have no explanation.
I haven't seen AOTC yet (won't open in Venezuela till July 3 >
) but I can't believe the hatred some people have for it. I've seen mostly positive reviews of it, with some people saying it's as good as ESB, but the few who disliked it didn't just dislike it, they HATED it. I wonder if it would be as hated if it'd come from another creator and not Lucas.
Chris
Reply #32 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:04 PM
Reply #32 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:04 PM
SF writer David Brin has a web page deveoted to critiquing Star Wars.
He even mentions the the ROTJ issue that Frogboy raised, namely that the Luke/Vader/Emperor subplot had no real bearing on the overall Death Start plot. What's interesting is that Brin says this is a GOOD thing (you'll have to read his thoughts on this to understand were he's coming from on this).
http://www.kithrup.com/brin/starwarsarticle.html
He even mentions the the ROTJ issue that Frogboy raised, namely that the Luke/Vader/Emperor subplot had no real bearing on the overall Death Start plot. What's interesting is that Brin says this is a GOOD thing (you'll have to read his thoughts on this to understand were he's coming from on this).
http://www.kithrup.com/brin/starwarsarticle.html
Jafo
Reply #33 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:36 PM
Reply #33 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:36 PM
It's also worth it for the 'mexican-jumping-bean' Yoda having a sword fight with a grown-up...
Oh, well...I just got myself a copy of Mad Max on DVD [from Amazon]...and it's got the 'proper' dialogue, the Aussie one, not the Yankee dubbing...[I should be able to follow the Strine......but I'll have to listen to the bubbed version for a giggle]...and to think it had a AUS $300,000 budget....back then that would be about USD $200,000.
Still lots of action....AND no BSODs....
Jafo sits down to watch a 'real' movie...
Oh, well...I just got myself a copy of Mad Max on DVD [from Amazon]...and it's got the 'proper' dialogue, the Aussie one, not the Yankee dubbing...[I should be able to follow the Strine...
...but I'll have to listen to the bubbed version for a giggle]...and to think it had a AUS $300,000 budget....back then that would be about USD $200,000.Still lots of action....AND no BSODs....
Jafo sits down to watch a 'real' movie...
Chris
Reply #34 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:39 PM
Reply #34 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:39 PM
You wanna watch a 'real movie'? Watch Big Trouble in Little China. Now that's a movie!
paxx
Reply #35 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:44 PM
Reply #35 Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:44 PM
Yeah, Mad Max is a classic, it's right there with Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. 
Peff
Reply #36 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:48 AM
Reply #36 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:48 AM
paxx, I remember Attack of the Killer Tomatoes....so long ago...how does the song go....PUUUUBEEEERRTTTY.
Passing the ketchup....
Stefan
Passing the ketchup....
Stefan
Jafo
Reply #38 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:04 AM
Reply #38 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:04 AM
Haha.....looking at the movie with the 'explanatory' notes....'Seppo' is 'supposedly Aussie slang for an American. No, it's 'septic'....rhyming slang....'septic tank' - 'yank'....
Drongo, sheila, cobber....the odd thing is the terms aren't used in the movie anyway.....and 'scrubber' isn't exactly a 'prostitute', it's more 'the town bike'....no money need be involved...
Drongo, sheila, cobber....the odd thing is the terms aren't used in the movie anyway.....and 'scrubber' isn't exactly a 'prostitute', it's more 'the town bike'....no money need be involved...
craeonics
Reply #39 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:02 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:02 AM
So er, how can you tell if you have the dubbed version or the Ozzie one? I've seen it a couple of times, but noted nothing special (thanks to subtitles).
Jafo
Reply #40 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:34 PM
Reply #40 Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:34 PM
Crae...the Yanks generally found the Aussie accents a little too 'broad', so a more 'Mid-Atlantic' accent was used....they even dubbed Mel's voice....the only one not dubbed was the singer in the 'night club'...
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Reply #21 Monday, May 27, 2002 6:00 PM
Sad thing is I went 'wow' a lot in 2001...and that was a very long time ago....and there was no CGI in that...