Why the new Star Wars toys won't sell
Wednesday, May 1, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
makers are putting out utter garbage. There's nothing worse than seeing toy
makers completely patronize kids with gimmicky stuff that few kids would
want to play with and things that just look lame.
As I peered at the various toys, vehicles, guns, and action figures, I was
just astonished with how out of touch these guys must be. And you know that
they'll blame the movie or Lucasfilm for their eventual failure to sell.
Here's why:
1) There's no goal.
What do I mean? As a kid (started collecting at age 5 when Star Wars came
out) the back of each action figure listed EVERY figure available at the
time. This gave me a goal to try to obtain every single one I could. I
remember after one birthday going hunting with my mom to store after store
trying to find Jawas. But instead, the back of the boxes just show all the
various moveable parts and give no idea how many figures are out there. This
leads to #2.
2) Removable parts = bad thing. Yea, I somehow managed not to lose all those
storm trooper guns when I was a kid but I never used them. Just too much of
a pain and I was always too worried that I'd lose them. To an 8 year old
boy, losing a part is the end of the world and these new action figures
practically beg you to lose half their parts. What the hell were they
thinking?
3) The figures aren't fun to play with together. The action figures are
basically dolls now. The original ones were stiff but easy to stand up
enmasse so that kids could re-enact battles or use their imaginations to
come up with new adventures. But the new ones are so cumbersome that they
are designed that you will play with them one at a time or possibly two at a
time since it's so hard to stand them up or do anything with them. So
surprise surprise, kids aren't going to want to buy a bunch of them. I had
20+ storm troopers for instance. You think any kid is going to want 20
"super battle droids"? That leads to #4
4) The generic figures are either missing or pathetic. Remember the battle
droid figures from Ep 1? Holy cow was that pathetic. Various parts to lose
and they felt so cheap. Compare that battle droid do the speeder bike
trooper from Return of the Jedi. Light years difference. I couldn't even
find a new "Storm trooper" which is really ironic because those are the ones
that might possibly be purchased in quantity by kids. Good action figures
have substance (physically to them). They should be designed for kids to
play with outside and be tough. These seemed to be designed for 30+
nerdlings living in a basement who won't even take them out of their
packaging.
5) The vehicles are pathetic. Why do toy makers think that kids want things
that look cutesy? Kids want things that LOOK as realistic as possible. So
why come out with a slave 1 or jedi fighter or whatever wher ethe colors
have been brightened? I have the original slave 1 still from when I was a
kid, it would kick the new slave 1's ass.

6) The guns. Holy cow, some of them are practically all orange. They look
cheap and have strange colors that aren't realistic at all. Compare them to
say Han Solo's blaster toy which was not a particularly good toy even at the
time but at least didn't patronize the kids.
7) Toys are too specific. I can't just get character A. I have to get
Character A in a particular scenario. "Anakan Skywalker in shower cap!" I
mean come on, how many Anakin's or whatever do they think some kid is going
to want? It was bad enough in the old days having Luke Skywalker in Hoth
outfit and Luke Skywalker in Bespin garb but this is taken to the Nth
degree. It's all back to the first issue - kids want obtainable goals. No
kid is going to whine their way to collect 5 versions of Obi-wan. Just
aren't enough holidays during the year.
I remember when they did this sort of thing with Transformers toys years
ago. I'm sure they just thought that demand for Transformers toys dropped
off. No, it's that kids couldn' t keep up with a constantly increasing
deluge of characters. In their own greed quest, they end up undermining
their sales.
Of course, by Christmas season look for the inevitable "Has Star Wars lost
its merchanidizing ability?" It won't even occur to them that maybe if the
toys that they made weren't utter garbage that kids might want them. My son
is 5 and the first thing he said when he saw the Jango fett figure was "Too
many parts, I'll lose them!"
Pity. And right when Steve is leaving blue's clues too.

Reply #2 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 2:10 PM
Who's Steve?
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Reply #4 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 4:50 PM
I still have a few of the larger toys somewhere. I seem to remember having the X-Wing, Y-Wing, Speeder Bike, Rancor and Yeti(?) somewhere. Ahh... nostalgia.
Don't even get me started on the Transformers. I got mine down from the attic a while ago because I couldn't remember what ones I had. I intended to sell them on e-bay, but once I started playing with them again I just couldn't part with them. Imagine, a 24 year old playing with Transformers...

How much does an original Optimus Prime go for these days anyway?
Reply #5 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 4:52 PM
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For me it was Mattel hot wheels. But thats stepping back a couple of decades now.
Reply #7 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 8:08 PM

The problem with Star Wars is that it is a kid's movie, which denigrates SF in general, and with Lucas owning rights to the toys...I noticed in particular in Ep 1....his script had 'insert product placement here' on every other page, along with 'cut scene to promote dicky video game here' every now and then.
The stories are crap....the aliens are 'ridiculous', or 'cute' and 'cuddly' [that'll be a stuffed doll for the girls].
The only real enjoyment I ever got out of the original 3 movies was to do the 'spot the tank parts and sprue from the model bits bin' in the spaceships.
Maybe I was just too old for ALL of them, maybe I'm an ego-wanker who thinks he's above them....or maybe there simply were better SF movies around....
Like
A Clockwork Orange [social science-fiction]
Silent Running
2001 A Space Odyssey
Alien
Aliens
Blade Runner
Difference?...These weren't aimed at 10 year olds....

Reply #8 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 8:15 PM
Good list, except for Silent Running, I hated that film. You also left off Forbidden Planet.
Reply #9 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 8:41 PM
A relatively new movie that I thought was outstanding and overlooked is Dark City. Very kafka-esque and has themes vaguely similar to The Matrix (though more thoughtful where the Matrix was action-oriented).As for Star Wars toys, I really loved the old ones from the late 70's early 80's. Toys in general seemed cooler the further you go back in time and I don't think it's just a nostalgia thing.
I picked up a nifty book called "Star Wars: From Concept To Screen To Collectible" that has really nice photos of the various collectibles through the years. Its still available at amazon if anyone's interested.
Reply #10 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 9:59 PM
The story I heard was that when Lucas got the go ahead to make a movie he had the entire series worked out already. He decided to go with the one that was the strongest since he wasn't sure he would get a chance to make the rest of them.
Griffinme collected Micronauts when he was younger.
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Reply #12 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 10:16 PM
My fav was the blue one.
I also had the command base for them.
There was also a ship that would make a noise that sounded like it was rising when pointed up and lower when pointed down. The thing would breakdown into about 8 pieces. I was always worried about losing the smaller pieces.
Reply #13 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 11:08 PM
Older classics, such as Forbidden Planet, etc...I didn't mention because they are not contemporaries of Star Bores.
BTW..those imperial troopers...the twits in white...[real sensible colour for the military...'white']....their modus operandi...
"quickly, move across into this exposed position to return fire, miss, and die".
Did they really HAVE to have the equivalent warfare nous of a bunch of red-skins riding round and round the wagon train?.
Pigs In Space had more class...

Reply #14 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 11:49 PM
actually, i was too old for transformers by the time they came out.. i played with them and the new mini gi joes when i went to my cousin's house.
the thing that gets me about all these kind of toys today is how little my son actually plays with them. he's got phantom menace stuff, power rangers, etc. etc. .. but rarely plays with any of it. he'd much rather watch tv, play a console game or do stuff on the computer. even with the [very cool] bionicles he basically stopped playing with them once he'd met the goal of collecting the six main guys. he still always wants the stuff though..

Reply #15 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 11:59 PM
by the way.. don't make fun. if you have kids, and your kids watch tv, it's your duty as a parent to watch it with them and take it as seriously as they do

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Reply #19 Thursday, May 2, 2002 8:41 PM
http://www.toysrgus.com/collectors.html
On a completely unrelated topic, is anyone a Battlestar Galatica fan? A guy built a homemade model that is a 1/1 scale model of the original model used in the series. Lots of photos here:
http://www.starshipbuilder.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Jim+Creveling&number=13&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin=
Reply #20 Thursday, May 2, 2002 8:42 PM
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Reply #1 Wednesday, May 1, 2002 2:02 PM
Right on the nose. I think the toymakers stopped catering to kids altogether. Their main market seems to be the basement nerds you mentioned in point #4...who will hold on to their cheap figures in hopes that they can score off them 10-15 years from now on e-bay..or whatever is around then...It's a real shame.
About the Steve thing....didn't I hear somewhere that he has/had a drug problem (heroin, I think)...probably just going into detox for a while...I wish him the best of luck...he really does his job well...another shame.