Why the new Star Wars toys won't sell

Wednesday, May 1, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

Another Star Wars movie arrives and for the second time in a row the toy
makers are putting out utter garbage. There's nothing worse than seeing toy
makers completely patronize kids with gimmicky stuff that few kids would
want to play with and things that just look lame.

As I peered at the various toys, vehicles, guns, and action figures, I was
just astonished with how out of touch these guys must be. And you know that
they'll blame the movie or Lucasfilm for their eventual failure to sell.

Here's why:

1) There's no goal.
What do I mean? As a kid (started collecting at age 5 when Star Wars came
out) the back of each action figure listed EVERY figure available at the
time. This gave me a goal to try to obtain every single one I could. I
remember after one birthday going hunting with my mom to store after store
trying to find Jawas. But instead, the back of the boxes just show all the
various moveable parts and give no idea how many figures are out there. This
leads to #2.

2) Removable parts = bad thing. Yea, I somehow managed not to lose all those
storm trooper guns when I was a kid but I never used them. Just too much of
a pain and I was always too worried that I'd lose them. To an 8 year old
boy, losing a part is the end of the world and these new action figures
practically beg you to lose half their parts. What the hell were they
thinking?

3) The figures aren't fun to play with together. The action figures are
basically dolls now. The original ones were stiff but easy to stand up
enmasse so that kids could re-enact battles or use their imaginations to
come up with new adventures. But the new ones are so cumbersome that they
are designed that you will play with them one at a time or possibly two at a
time since it's so hard to stand them up or do anything with them. So
surprise surprise, kids aren't going to want to buy a bunch of them. I had
20+ storm troopers for instance. You think any kid is going to want 20
"super battle droids"? That leads to #4

4) The generic figures are either missing or pathetic. Remember the battle
droid figures from Ep 1? Holy cow was that pathetic. Various parts to lose
and they felt so cheap. Compare that battle droid do the speeder bike
trooper from Return of the Jedi. Light years difference. I couldn't even
find a new "Storm trooper" which is really ironic because those are the ones
that might possibly be purchased in quantity by kids. Good action figures
have substance (physically to them). They should be designed for kids to
play with outside and be tough. These seemed to be designed for 30+
nerdlings living in a basement who won't even take them out of their
packaging.

5) The vehicles are pathetic. Why do toy makers think that kids want things
that look cutesy? Kids want things that LOOK as realistic as possible. So
why come out with a slave 1 or jedi fighter or whatever wher ethe colors
have been brightened? I have the original slave 1 still from when I was a
kid, it would kick the new slave 1's ass.

6) The guns. Holy cow, some of them are practically all orange. They look
cheap and have strange colors that aren't realistic at all. Compare them to
say Han Solo's blaster toy which was not a particularly good toy even at the
time but at least didn't patronize the kids.

7) Toys are too specific. I can't just get character A. I have to get
Character A in a particular scenario. "Anakan Skywalker in shower cap!" I
mean come on, how many Anakin's or whatever do they think some kid is going
to want? It was bad enough in the old days having Luke Skywalker in Hoth
outfit and Luke Skywalker in Bespin garb but this is taken to the Nth
degree. It's all back to the first issue - kids want obtainable goals. No
kid is going to whine their way to collect 5 versions of Obi-wan. Just
aren't enough holidays during the year.

I remember when they did this sort of thing with Transformers toys years
ago. I'm sure they just thought that demand for Transformers toys dropped
off. No, it's that kids couldn' t keep up with a constantly increasing
deluge of characters. In their own greed quest, they end up undermining
their sales.

Of course, by Christmas season look for the inevitable "Has Star Wars lost
its merchanidizing ability?" It won't even occur to them that maybe if the
toys that they made weren't utter garbage that kids might want them. My son
is 5 and the first thing he said when he saw the Jango fett figure was "Too
many parts, I'll lose them!"

Pity. And right when Steve is leaving blue's clues too.
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Jafo
Reply #21 Thursday, May 2, 2002 9:19 PM
Cris...I have the released model...all six pieces or there-abouts...I wish I'd never assembled it...it's worth a mint if not...
Jafo
Reply #22 Thursday, May 2, 2002 9:21 PM
Oops...'Chris'...Spell checker
Chris
Reply #23 Thursday, May 2, 2002 10:05 PM
Yep I had a Galatica model when I was a kid. Probably worth more still boxed. I can't believe that guy built a 6 foot Galatica model though. Cost him $5000 dollars and year to design and build. Now that's dedication (or insanity).

Third Eye
Reply #24 Thursday, May 2, 2002 10:17 PM
Chris, I should hope Pigs in Space would win because Space Balls was about as intertaining as watching paint dry
Galfant
Reply #25 Friday, May 3, 2002 1:08 AM
Spaceballs was a lame spoof of Star Wars. Pigs in Space and Galaxy Quest were, IMHO, excellent spoofs of Star Trek.

My favorite Sci-Fi movies:

Forbidden Planet
The Time Machine-1962

I have both on Laserdisks as well as the entire Star Trek original series.
craeonics
Reply #26 Friday, May 3, 2002 4:29 AM
I didn't like Battlestar Galactica as a kid, but when I see it now, its datedness makes it great fun to watch. Can't wait till they rerun Buck Rogers.
grayhaze
Reply #27 Friday, May 3, 2002 6:20 AM
Galaxy Quest really sucked. To this day I don't know why anyone lists it amongst their favourites.

I seem to remember I had a few Galactica figures mixed in with my Star Wars ones. I couldn't tell you what they were, as I don't think I ever really watched the show that much, but I do seem to remember one of them had a big bumpy purple head?!
Frogboy
Reply #28 Friday, May 3, 2002 11:08 AM
I liked Galaxy Quest!
paxx
Reply #29 Friday, May 3, 2002 12:22 PM
Of course Star Wars was lame, even the orginal.
All it is really is a SF fairy tale. It has a princess prisoner and a galliant knight running to her rescue. The bad guy is dressed in black while the hero is dressed in white. There is some magic (except it's called "the Force") and it even got swords (except they're made of laser beem instead of metal).
Star Wars is not bad, it's just that it's a fairy tale, and a good one to.

Some of my favorite SF movies:
- 2001
- Planet of the Apes (the originals)
- Brazil
- 1984
- Blade Runner
- Fahrenheit 451
Third Eye
Reply #30 Friday, May 3, 2002 12:44 PM
Anyone remember that old 70's TV show ARK II? http://www.tvtome.com/ArkII/index.html

Oh yeah babe, give me a jet pack and a chimpanzee and the world would be mine!
Chris
Reply #31 Friday, May 3, 2002 5:17 PM
Oh wow! that link to ARK II brought back some cheesy memories! I think I liked that when I was a kid (actually I liked everthing when I was a kid).

Anyone remember Quark? It was a short-lived comedy in the 70's starring Richard Benjamin as an intersteller garbage man. I remember he had two twin women with him (maybe the original double-mint twins?).
jcg
Reply #32 Friday, May 3, 2002 5:55 PM
My all time favorite cheesey TV sci-fi shows

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
Time Tunnel
Invaders

My favorite all time sci-fi shows in order:

Babylon 5
Star Trek (the original, none of the spinoffs were worth the tape they were recorded on)
Outer Limits

Jafo
Reply #33 Friday, May 3, 2002 7:28 PM
Star Cops
Blakes 7
Red Dwarf
Bab 5
V
Outer Limits
Twilight Zone
Even.... The Thunderbirds.
and the ORIGINAL Star Trek...[ALL of the rest were/are crap]...
AJCrowley
Reply #34 Saturday, May 4, 2002 2:58 AM
AJCrowley envisions Brad as "The comic bookstore guy" from The Simpsons...

I agree with what you're saying in many respects, but a generation of kids that will buy Pokemon and watch that incomprehensible cartoon will buy and watch anything.

Most of my star wars toys are long since dead, mostly by fire (I was a real pyro when I was a kid). I'm not sure what happened to the rest of them, I had the X-Wing, the Tie Fighter (with the wings that fell off when you pressed the button), Scout Walker and AT-AT which I know I didn't destroy (I generally just destroyed the figures). I bet they'd be worth a fair amount on ebay if I could find them, but they probably went to a charity shop years ago.

AJC
craeonics
Reply #35 Saturday, May 4, 2002 1:50 PM
Red Dwarf is brilliant material.

Now can someone please explain to me what's so good about 2001? I almost fell asleep watching it.
Chris
Reply #36 Saturday, May 4, 2002 2:08 PM
Well, 2001's got chimps, and monoliths, and ummm...other stuff...uhh...nevermind...
grayhaze
Reply #37 Saturday, May 4, 2002 3:42 PM
The Red Dwarf movie's currently in production, so that's something to look forward to.

Time Tunnel and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea are being updated and remade into new shows. The Invaders almost went the same route, but only got as far as a pilot (with Quantum Leap's Scott Bakula in the lead).

Battlestar Galactica's also being made into a new show, but it shares almost nothing with the original show except for the name and overall universe.

The Twilight Zone's also coming back, with Forest Whittaker as the host. I'd imagine it'll be a bit like the updated Outer Limits.

I'm just full of useful info today...
Chris
Reply #38 Saturday, May 4, 2002 4:07 PM
And the SciFi Channel is going to make a mini-series (4 hrs I think) of Roger Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber (part of the channel's quarterly mini-series events).
grayhaze
Reply #39 Saturday, May 4, 2002 5:29 PM
Incredible how one post about Star Wars toys can evolve into such a museum of nostalgia in so little time.
migellito
Reply #40 Saturday, May 4, 2002 10:27 PM
amber as a mini series?!!!! wow! now that's news. very cool.

also extremely excited to hear about the red dwarf movie

now if they'd only make movies of 'land of the lost' and blake's 7.

they've just started re-running the first season of farscape, and my wife and i are -really- getting into it.

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