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Saturday, January 12, 2002 by 1Renegade | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Corel Graphic Suite10 vs Adobe Photoshop 6.0
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LancerKMT
Reply #2 Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:00 PM
Reply #2 Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:00 PM
I said in other thread, The Photoshop work methodology is profesional, like almost all Adobe stuf.
That is why most of those who has profesional design studies prefer it, of course anyone can use it. Photopaint is light... more for amateurs, beginners...
That is why most of those who has profesional design studies prefer it, of course anyone can use it. Photopaint is light... more for amateurs, beginners...
Frogboy
Reply #4 Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:30 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:30 PM
Lancer, I doubt you're a professional. As someone who has used both Photopaint and Photoshop for many years, neither package is light.
And in fact, until Photoshop 6, it was Photoshop that lagged behind, not Photopaint.
Photopaint introduced the concept of objects (which Adobe adopted and called Layers) for instance. Photoshop still doesn't do previews of many formats from its open dialog. It is still a pain to manipulate complex images with Photoshop compared to Photopaint.
Please specify how Photopaint is "light".
And in fact, until Photoshop 6, it was Photoshop that lagged behind, not Photopaint.
Photopaint introduced the concept of objects (which Adobe adopted and called Layers) for instance. Photoshop still doesn't do previews of many formats from its open dialog. It is still a pain to manipulate complex images with Photoshop compared to Photopaint.
Please specify how Photopaint is "light".
Firestorm
Reply #5 Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:57 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:57 PM
I use Photoshop for heavy-duty image work, but for everyday stuff and minor edits, I use PhotoPlus 5, which is free and looks and feels a lot like Photoshop. It also loads a lot faster 
jtfolden
Reply #6 Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:42 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:42 PM
I prefer Paint Shop Pro on Windows and a combo of Photopaint and Painter 7 on the Mac. I have Photoshop 6 but have never been real thrilled with the layout of it. It's powerful but seemingly clumsy when trying to perform certain tasks, IMO.
LancerKMT
Reply #7 Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:49 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:49 PM
Frogboy:
Your said it... object for photopaint, layers for photshop... if you have any basic studies, university or institute... etc. you are able to view the diference in that.
Your said it... object for photopaint, layers for photshop... if you have any basic studies, university or institute... etc. you are able to view the diference in that.
Frogboy
Reply #8 Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:20 AM
Reply #8 Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:20 AM
Lancer, you're just showing your lack of familiarity.
Objects ARE layers. They are the same thing. Just different words to describe the same thing. Would you care to put forth your credentials as an expert on this?
As I've mentioned, I have extensive experience with both of these programs. Extensive PROFESSIONAL experience with both of them. Photopaint is a professional level package. If you disagree, then why not explain why.
Objects ARE layers. They are the same thing. Just different words to describe the same thing. Would you care to put forth your credentials as an expert on this?
As I've mentioned, I have extensive experience with both of these programs. Extensive PROFESSIONAL experience with both of them. Photopaint is a professional level package. If you disagree, then why not explain why.
LancerKMT
Reply #9 Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:04 AM
Reply #9 Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:04 AM
Frogboy
Objects doesnt work like the way Layers do.
I started using Photopaint, actually i use photoshop. I know both, i have both, and i can allow me to say that photopaint and photoshop works in totally diferent ways.
Photopaint is faster and friendly to use(it is for me), Photoshop use a more sophiticated way, that makes you THINK and UNDERSTAND what you are CREATING, with methodology...
I use graphical design programs since i was 12, actually i have 21.
...and i love to annoying thats way some of my comments and threads...
Objects doesnt work like the way Layers do.
I started using Photopaint, actually i use photoshop. I know both, i have both, and i can allow me to say that photopaint and photoshop works in totally diferent ways.
Photopaint is faster and friendly to use(it is for me), Photoshop use a more sophiticated way, that makes you THINK and UNDERSTAND what you are CREATING, with methodology...
I use graphical design programs since i was 12, actually i have 21.
...and i love to annoying thats way some of my comments and threads...
Firestorm
Reply #10 Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:20 AM
Reply #10 Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:20 AM
You still haven't explained how layers and objects are different...
LancerKMT
Reply #11 Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:55 AM
Reply #11 Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:55 AM
Do you know how to deduce, conclude...? ...do you have brains? can you use them for yourselfs, or you just let that your impulses, generated by so many Television or McDonalds hamburgers... etc, drive them for you?
Layer and objects are, in some way homologous, but if layers, in photoshop, are the same the objects, in photopaint; i think, then both programs are equals. Manipulate them(layers and objects), is not the same.
And please... photopaint is corelDraw with filters and an enhanced version of MS Paint.
Layer and objects are, in some way homologous, but if layers, in photoshop, are the same the objects, in photopaint; i think, then both programs are equals. Manipulate them(layers and objects), is not the same.
And please... photopaint is corelDraw with filters and an enhanced version of MS Paint.
LancerKMT
Reply #12 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:00 AM
Reply #12 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:00 AM
I use graphical design programs since i was 12, actually i have 21.
...and i love to annoying ***thats way*** some of my comments and threads...
* thats why
...and i love to annoying ***thats way*** some of my comments and threads...
* thats why
Firestorm
Reply #13 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:28 AM
Reply #13 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:28 AM
"Do you know how to deduce, conclude...?"
Yes. I've worked with both PhotoPaint and PhotoShop and have concluded that Layers are just Objects with a different name.
"...do you have brains?"
Enough to speak proper English despite of being a foreigner...
"can you use them for yourselfs, or you just let that your impulses, generated by so many Television or McDonalds hamburgers... etc, drive them for you?"
Sería bueno que dejaras de estereotipar a los miembros de esta comunidad. No todos somos Americanos, y no todos los Americanos pertenecen a la "cultura McDonald's" que tanto te gusta deplorar.
"Layer and objects are, in some way homologous, but if layers, in photoshop, are the same the objects, in photopaint; i think, then both programs are equals. Manipulate them(layers and objects), is not the same."
Las diferencias de interfaz no tienen importancia. A la hora de la verdad, los objetos de PhotoPaint y las capas de PhotoShop cumplen la misma función. El CONCEPTO es el mismo.
"And please... photopaint is corelDraw with filters and an enhanced version of MS Paint."
Changing the subject, I see.
"I use graphical design programs since i was 12, actually i have 21."
That's cute. I've used gfx software since I was 12, I'm now 24. Do I get a prize?
"...and i love to annoying ***thats way*** some of my comments and threads...
* thats why "
I'm sure your parents are proud of you. I'd suggest cutting back on the childish trolling and spending more time brushing up your English skills.
Yes. I've worked with both PhotoPaint and PhotoShop and have concluded that Layers are just Objects with a different name.
"...do you have brains?"
Enough to speak proper English despite of being a foreigner...
"can you use them for yourselfs, or you just let that your impulses, generated by so many Television or McDonalds hamburgers... etc, drive them for you?"
Sería bueno que dejaras de estereotipar a los miembros de esta comunidad. No todos somos Americanos, y no todos los Americanos pertenecen a la "cultura McDonald's" que tanto te gusta deplorar.
"Layer and objects are, in some way homologous, but if layers, in photoshop, are the same the objects, in photopaint; i think, then both programs are equals. Manipulate them(layers and objects), is not the same."
Las diferencias de interfaz no tienen importancia. A la hora de la verdad, los objetos de PhotoPaint y las capas de PhotoShop cumplen la misma función. El CONCEPTO es el mismo.
"And please... photopaint is corelDraw with filters and an enhanced version of MS Paint."
Changing the subject, I see.
"I use graphical design programs since i was 12, actually i have 21."
That's cute. I've used gfx software since I was 12, I'm now 24. Do I get a prize?
"...and i love to annoying ***thats way*** some of my comments and threads...
* thats why "
I'm sure your parents are proud of you. I'd suggest cutting back on the childish trolling and spending more time brushing up your English skills.
Firestorm
Reply #14 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:30 AM
Reply #14 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:30 AM
I threw an extra "of" in there. Don't shoot me, Jafo 
DavidK
Reply #15 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:36 AM
Reply #15 Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:36 AM
jeesh...
To get back to the point of the question, CorelDraw is a suite of products which would be the equivelant of buying Adobe's Photoshop, Illustrator, Streamline and several others. The price difference is extreme in favor of Corel for what you get. Corel is also a lot easier to learn.
However, if you don't need a vector drawing program I would recommend Photoshop6. I have Corel10 but I never installed Photopaint, I use PS6 for all the bitmap work I do. I prefer Corel for drawing though and I usually do product illustrations or technical drawings in Corel and then build the final layout files in Illustrator. Illustrator and Photoshop seem to do a better job of cross-platform compatability and their text and color work better in production jobs. Corel still has some difficulties at a lot of service bureaus but that situation is getting better too. It's easier to find one that can work with native Corel files.
If all you're doing is skins and wallpapers Photoshop or Photopaint work great. So does Paint Shop Pro7. If you want to get a job in graphics then you need to learn the Adobe products (unless you work for a silk-screener or a sign maker, they seem to prefer Corel).
To get back to the point of the question, CorelDraw is a suite of products which would be the equivelant of buying Adobe's Photoshop, Illustrator, Streamline and several others. The price difference is extreme in favor of Corel for what you get. Corel is also a lot easier to learn.
However, if you don't need a vector drawing program I would recommend Photoshop6. I have Corel10 but I never installed Photopaint, I use PS6 for all the bitmap work I do. I prefer Corel for drawing though and I usually do product illustrations or technical drawings in Corel and then build the final layout files in Illustrator. Illustrator and Photoshop seem to do a better job of cross-platform compatability and their text and color work better in production jobs. Corel still has some difficulties at a lot of service bureaus but that situation is getting better too. It's easier to find one that can work with native Corel files.
If all you're doing is skins and wallpapers Photoshop or Photopaint work great. So does Paint Shop Pro7. If you want to get a job in graphics then you need to learn the Adobe products (unless you work for a silk-screener or a sign maker, they seem to prefer Corel).
LancerKMT
Reply #16 Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:02 AM
Reply #16 Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:02 AM
"Las diferencias de interfaz no tienen importancia."
Me sorprende que digas eso, aun mas siendo llamado "Sir" en este sitio de internet; y con todo respeto, si es eso lo que crees, te falta por aprender.
"A la hora de la verdad, los objetos de PhotoPaint y las capas de PhotoShop cumplen la misma función. El CONCEPTO es el mismo"
bla bla bla... bla bla... y si tienes un diccionario a mano, busca el significado de Objeto y despues el de Layer, podras notar que no tienen el mimso significado, por lo tanto no es el mismo "CONCEPTO". Simple cierto?.
Me sorprende que digas eso, aun mas siendo llamado "Sir" en este sitio de internet; y con todo respeto, si es eso lo que crees, te falta por aprender.
"A la hora de la verdad, los objetos de PhotoPaint y las capas de PhotoShop cumplen la misma función. El CONCEPTO es el mismo"
bla bla bla... bla bla... y si tienes un diccionario a mano, busca el significado de Objeto y despues el de Layer, podras notar que no tienen el mimso significado, por lo tanto no es el mismo "CONCEPTO". Simple cierto?.
Firestorm
Reply #17 Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:10 AM
Reply #17 Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:10 AM
Oh, brother...
"Me sorprende que digas eso, aun mas siendo llamado "Sir" en este sitio de internet; y con todo respeto, si es eso lo que crees, te falta por aprender."
Estamos discutiendo UN elemento del programa. Las similitudes o diferencias del resto del programa son irrelevantes.
"bla bla bla... bla bla... y si tienes un diccionario a mano, busca el significado de Objeto y despues el de Layer, podras notar que no tienen el mimso significado, por lo tanto no es el mismo "CONCEPTO". Simple cierto?."
Las definiciones de diccionario nada tienen que ver con el significado que esos términos tienen en el área de artes gráficas, y mucho menos con el que tienen dentro de los programas en discusión. El hecho innegable es que un objecto de PhotoPaint cumple las mismas funciones que una capa (lyer) de PhotoShop.
Si piensas seguir refutando esta idea, exijo evidencia de tu parte. Si no puedes presetarla, te sugiero que cierres la boca antes de que agotes la paciencia de todos aquí.
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He's much more annoying in his native tongue. I thought using Spanish so he could form complete sentences would be an improvement. Boy, was I wrong, wrong, WRONG.
"Me sorprende que digas eso, aun mas siendo llamado "Sir" en este sitio de internet; y con todo respeto, si es eso lo que crees, te falta por aprender."
Estamos discutiendo UN elemento del programa. Las similitudes o diferencias del resto del programa son irrelevantes.
"bla bla bla... bla bla... y si tienes un diccionario a mano, busca el significado de Objeto y despues el de Layer, podras notar que no tienen el mimso significado, por lo tanto no es el mismo "CONCEPTO". Simple cierto?."
Las definiciones de diccionario nada tienen que ver con el significado que esos términos tienen en el área de artes gráficas, y mucho menos con el que tienen dentro de los programas en discusión. El hecho innegable es que un objecto de PhotoPaint cumple las mismas funciones que una capa (lyer) de PhotoShop.
Si piensas seguir refutando esta idea, exijo evidencia de tu parte. Si no puedes presetarla, te sugiero que cierres la boca antes de que agotes la paciencia de todos aquí.
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He's much more annoying in his native tongue. I thought using Spanish so he could form complete sentences would be an improvement. Boy, was I wrong, wrong, WRONG.
LancerKMT
Reply #18 Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:18 AM
Reply #18 Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:18 AM
IF YOU GUYS WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT HIS WRITING... HE DARE TO TALK ABOUT "GRAPHICS ARTS", WHEN I AM SURE HE HAS NEVER HEARD ABOUT WHO IS KLEE, ROBERTO MATTA OR MIRÓ.
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"Me sorprende que digas eso, aun mas siendo llamado "Sir" en este sitio de internet; y con todo respeto, si es eso lo que crees, te falta por aprender."
Estamos discutiendo ***"UN" elemento del programa***. Las similitudes o diferencias del resto del programa son irrelevantes.
oh por Dios!
Has usado alguna vez estos programas?, por que te has referido a las layers como un vano elemento mas del programa.
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Las definiciones de diccionario nada tienen que ver con el significado que esos términos tienen en el área de artes gráficas, y mucho menos con el que tienen dentro de los programas en discusión. ****El hecho innegable es que un objecto de PhotoPaint cumple las mismas funciones que una capa (lyer) de PhotoShop****
IN FEW WORDS, HE IS SAYING OBJECTS(FOR PP) AND LAYERS(FOR PS), PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
SOMEONE STOP HIM, PLEASE!
Si me hubieses dicho que tienen la misma posicion jerarquica en la metodología de trabajo que estos programas usan, estoy de acuerdo.
Pero eso que escribiste, me hace entender de ti, que al momento de usar(si es que los has usado) estos programas, no tienes idea de COMO ni con QUE estas TRABAJANDO ...tal vez ni siquiera te des cuenta que estas frente a una monitor...
...y despues de todo lo que has dicho, te atrevez a hablar de "artes graficas", ten mas respeto la proxima vez, por favor.
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"Me sorprende que digas eso, aun mas siendo llamado "Sir" en este sitio de internet; y con todo respeto, si es eso lo que crees, te falta por aprender."
Estamos discutiendo ***"UN" elemento del programa***. Las similitudes o diferencias del resto del programa son irrelevantes.
oh por Dios!
Has usado alguna vez estos programas?, por que te has referido a las layers como un vano elemento mas del programa.
.-
Las definiciones de diccionario nada tienen que ver con el significado que esos términos tienen en el área de artes gráficas, y mucho menos con el que tienen dentro de los programas en discusión. ****El hecho innegable es que un objecto de PhotoPaint cumple las mismas funciones que una capa (lyer) de PhotoShop****
IN FEW WORDS, HE IS SAYING OBJECTS(FOR PP) AND LAYERS(FOR PS), PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
SOMEONE STOP HIM, PLEASE!
Si me hubieses dicho que tienen la misma posicion jerarquica en la metodología de trabajo que estos programas usan, estoy de acuerdo.
Pero eso que escribiste, me hace entender de ti, que al momento de usar(si es que los has usado) estos programas, no tienes idea de COMO ni con QUE estas TRABAJANDO ...tal vez ni siquiera te des cuenta que estas frente a una monitor...
...y despues de todo lo que has dicho, te atrevez a hablar de "artes graficas", ten mas respeto la proxima vez, por favor.
Firestorm
Reply #19 Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:35 AM
Reply #19 Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:35 AM
Someone's asking to be exiled...
"oh por Dios!
Has usado alguna vez estos programas?,"
Sí.
" por que te has referido a las layers como un vano elemento mas del programa. "
Nunca dije "vano." Pero no puedes negar que son un elemento del programa, por naturaleza.
"IN FEW WORDS, HE IS SAYING OBJECTS(FOR PP) AND LAYERS(FOR PS), PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
SOMEONE STOP HIM, PLEASE!"
Los objetos de PP son más flexibles en lo que a edición se refiere, pero los dos elementos están basados en el mismo concepto.
"Si me hubieses dicho que tienen la misma posicion jerarquica en la metodología de trabajo que estos programas usan, estoy de acuerdo."
[sarcasmo]No sabes cuánto me alegra que estés de acuerdo. Tu opinion es MUY importante para mí. [/sarcasmo]
"Pero eso que escribiste, me hace entender de ti, que al momento de usar(si es que los has usado) estos programas, no tienes idea de COMO ni con QUE estas TRABAJANDO ...tal vez ni siquiera te des cuenta que estas frente a una monitor..."
No hay necesidad de insultar mi inteligencia.
"...y despues de todo lo que has dicho, te atrevez a hablar de "artes graficas", ten mas respeto la proxima vez, por favor."
Eastoy a punto de recomendar tu expulsión de este sitio. Te di una oportunidad, y continuastre actuando como un niño.
Y aún no has explicado las diferencias entre los objetos y las capas. Sólo me has insultado por considerarlos derivados del mismo concepto.
"oh por Dios!
Has usado alguna vez estos programas?,"
Sí.
" por que te has referido a las layers como un vano elemento mas del programa. "
Nunca dije "vano." Pero no puedes negar que son un elemento del programa, por naturaleza.
"IN FEW WORDS, HE IS SAYING OBJECTS(FOR PP) AND LAYERS(FOR PS), PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
SOMEONE STOP HIM, PLEASE!"
Los objetos de PP son más flexibles en lo que a edición se refiere, pero los dos elementos están basados en el mismo concepto.
"Si me hubieses dicho que tienen la misma posicion jerarquica en la metodología de trabajo que estos programas usan, estoy de acuerdo."
[sarcasmo]No sabes cuánto me alegra que estés de acuerdo. Tu opinion es MUY importante para mí. [/sarcasmo]
"Pero eso que escribiste, me hace entender de ti, que al momento de usar(si es que los has usado) estos programas, no tienes idea de COMO ni con QUE estas TRABAJANDO ...tal vez ni siquiera te des cuenta que estas frente a una monitor..."
No hay necesidad de insultar mi inteligencia.
"...y despues de todo lo que has dicho, te atrevez a hablar de "artes graficas", ten mas respeto la proxima vez, por favor."
Eastoy a punto de recomendar tu expulsión de este sitio. Te di una oportunidad, y continuastre actuando como un niño.
Y aún no has explicado las diferencias entre los objetos y las capas. Sólo me has insultado por considerarlos derivados del mismo concepto.
LancerKMT
Reply #20 Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:01 AM
Reply #20 Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:01 AM
Solo te pedi respeto cuando uses la palabra arte. Te aseguro que cualquier entendido en la materia lo habria hecho.
FIrestorm IS STILL SAYING OBJECTS(FOR PP) AND LAYERS(FOR PS), PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
Tu nivel de comprensión de lectura deja mucho que desear; pero no te preocupes, es entendible y aceptable, vives en Venezuela y decir que actué como un niño te aseguro que no ayuda a mejorar la imagen de ese pais.
FIrestorm IS STILL SAYING OBJECTS(FOR PP) AND LAYERS(FOR PS), PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS.
Tu nivel de comprensión de lectura deja mucho que desear; pero no te preocupes, es entendible y aceptable, vives en Venezuela y decir que actué como un niño te aseguro que no ayuda a mejorar la imagen de ese pais.
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Reply #1 Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:50 PM
But prefer Photopaint over Photoshop for every day quick work with graphics (the new from Clipboard feature always works quickly and easily for instance).
On the other hand, Corel Draw itself is a must for serious grahpics people. It is by far the best vector based graphics package available.
If Corel could just get Phot4opoaint to have those nice blending effects integrated in I would need Photoshop.