My rant -Is there REALLY a skin "community"?

Thursday, December 6, 2001 by Draginol | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I have been part of virtual communities for the past 15 years. I know what they are. I started out in the BBS world and we had a local area virtual community. It didn't have a name but we were all literally tied together by what was in the local phone exchange.

When the Internet came, I considered myself part of a larger community, the OS/2 community.

A community isn't necessarily homogenous but what makes something a "community" is the sense that it exceeds a certain threshold of closeness and that the majority of the participants have the same basic concept of what that community is.

But is there a "Skinning" community? I think not. Rather, there are several smaller communities with very distinct concepts of what that community is. I think there is a skeletal structure for a general skinning community but really, the communities are largely tied to the sites.

I think there is a Stardock community. And I think there is a WinCustomize community. I also think there is a DeviantART community as well as communities for each site. And I think there is some overlap.

But the overlap between these communities is often little to non existent in my opinion.

There is constant bickering over what actually IS the community. And I think a lot of that comes from such a diverse set of demographics. Look at the demograhpics of this site compared to say Customize.org. The average active participant here can legally drink alcohol in all states in the US and they have full time jobs.

When Skinz.org was at its height, I think there was an overall community, albeit a small one.

But I've become increasing frustrated, well let me be blunt, disgusted with certain parallel universe versions of the skin community. You have the anti-capitalists (I.e. "I haven't personally spent any real time contributing for the past year but I want to say that everything should be free! Rock on!"). You have the group that contributes some but does so out of ego-gratification (I.e. "I've done some modest work over the year and want to let you know that I"m king of the community and I will crush all those who oppose me! Worship me!"). I don't know which contigency is worse.

The former is definitely in full loudness this week in that Customize.org discussion on whether skin suites should be free or not.

And it really highlights this post's point - there is no single skin community. There are many competing visions. If I wrote a post "What do you think of people charging for skin suites" I think it's safe to say that the response would be overwhelmingly "Good for them!" here. But elsewhere you get the folks who think that it's okay for skin SITES to make money off of the work of skin authors but that skin authors should work for free. Skin authors are apparently to be slaves in this vision, slaves to skin sites who profit from their efforts.

I have gotten a real kick out of the "free beer" folks who have criticized WinCustomize because it's a "corporate site" (even though the most of the other sites are, just that in this case, our parent company is a software developer) yet this site has no banner ads, no pop ups, etc. I think it's GOOD for skin sites to make money. I think it's GOOD for them to have banner ads and whatever else they need to generate income. The difference though is that people, whoever they are, shouldn't delude themselves into thinking that selling a good or service is bad yet banner ads and pop up ads are okay. In all cases, the entity in question is trying to generate revenue to pay for those expenses.

My friend Jark took grief because he has set up a subscription service. Unbelievable. Grief from people who have contributed zilch. My friends Treetog/Alexandrie/Nuvem are taking grief because they want to charge a measely $10 in exchange for around TWENTY skins. My lunch cost more than $10 today. And of course, we're always taking grief from those who argue our software is free or that our software is doomed to be passed up by free alternatives (note to them: WB's kicking ass, people who can afford WB are choosing it over free alternatives).

Which brings me back to the beginning, there is no such thing as a single skin community. There are merely a confederation of communities, each thinking that they have the vision of what the skin community is.

I for one am thankful every day that this site, our news groups (check out news://news.stardock.com) have such wonderful cool people. I am thankful that many of the leaders of the other skin sites are so cool (I talk to Jark regularly, Scarebear is a great guy, and Chaz and I chat on IRC regularly and is a great guy too). But the events of the past few months have led me to basically stop caring what the other bitter nasty contigents think. At least in the sense of letting it dictate our actions.

Let the "free beer" folks complain and yell. Those who actually contribute are the ones whose opinions matter to me.

When we first started this site we took a lot of grief from the "free beer" folks and they eventually migrated elsewhere. I'm glad. I'm not interested in them. I don't consider them part of the community we all, together, have helped create. What we call that community doesn't matter. But it's our community. Created with care, kindness, and hard work. With people who respect each other and each other's efforts and are generous in heart. Ethically strong yet not overly judgemental of others. You guys are the type of people I want to be around. To be associated with.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day. Feel free to add yours.
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Integer
Reply #61 Saturday, December 8, 2001 3:10 PM
OK JayG - would you like to point out where I've discriminated against an app that isn't free, simply because of the fact that it's not free?

I'll be waiting....
Istari
Reply #62 Saturday, December 8, 2001 3:17 PM
It is truly sad to see Shoggot completely altering history just to try to paint Stardock in a negative light. I wonder if Shoggot realizes how hurtful his comments are to us who work at Stardock.

What Stardock usually does is fit the project with the person and it prefers to work with people who are already in the community. Shoggot has twisted this into being a bad thing. DesktopX was in the original Object Desktop specificiation from 1997, it needed a lead developer. Stardock brought on Alberto to lead that team instead of just hiring someone who hadn't been part of the skinning scene.

I hope Shoggot snaps out of whatever spell he is under and realizes how irrational some of his statements and allegations are. Stardock has been a real innvoator and has done a lot for the community. This site's existence, which is a drain on resources, should be proof.

It is a lot like those political debates when people try to say that the United States is evil and that none of its actions were good. Just because an action is in its self interest doesn't make it morally wrong.
craeonics
Reply #63 Saturday, December 8, 2001 3:26 PM
Speaking of evil...
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Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Your transaction (process ID #19) was deadlocked with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Rerun your transaction.

/include/inc_msgboard.asp, line 409
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"Deadlock" is seriously bad, right? I feel "victimised".
Doreen
Reply #64 Saturday, December 8, 2001 3:30 PM
what is that???
craeonics
Reply #65 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:09 PM
"A deadlock is a situation in which two computer programs sharing the same resource are effectively preventing each other from accessing the resource, resulting in both programs ceasing to function."

source: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci211913,00.html
Doreen
Reply #66 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:11 PM
lemme guess your on your p75? and have not enough resources??? is that it? =/
Doreen
Reply #67 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:14 PM
sir crae that link is dead
craeonics
Reply #68 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:15 PM
Urgh... copypaste this url: whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci211913,00.html
craeonics
Reply #69 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:17 PM
Nothing to do with my machine, it's the server that's goofing.
Frogboy
Reply #70 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:18 PM
I think Alexandrie just put up the Christmas theme.
craeonics
Reply #71 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:21 PM
This one explains what happened: searchDatabase.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid13_gci757279,00.html
craeonics
Reply #72 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:23 PM
Hmm, at any rate, we're going waaaay off topic here, eh?
Frogboy
Reply #73 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:28 PM
Look, all I'm saying is that they need to explain what the midichlorians are. That's all.
craeonics
Reply #74 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:34 PM
They don't, but thankfully there's Google:
http://www.greyjedi.net/archives/midichlorians.html
Doreen
Reply #75 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:36 PM
so what happened is that it is of course "not" your P75's fault but rather it is the fault of Alex uploading this X-mas theme,
which I'm looking at now and it is nice, but the white msg board bg is blinding! but still very cool! nice work Alex!!!!!!
shoggot
Reply #76 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:36 PM
bah, you're right, I'm wrong, I'll be going now.

Actually, I'm not wrong - but my mom always told me to drop an argument when the other side stops being rational.

Enjoy your microsoft liscenced skinning, folks.
Firestorm
Reply #77 Saturday, December 8, 2001 4:40 PM
"my mom always told me to drop an argument when the other side stops being rational."

I guess we shouldn't have bothered listening to you after your first post, then.

Integer
Reply #78 Saturday, December 8, 2001 5:24 PM
Seems I may as well leave too, as "Sir" JayG doesn't seem to have any facts to backup his discrimination accusation.
Alexandrie
Reply #79 Saturday, December 8, 2001 5:25 PM
Doreen just tell me what you would like instead of white
Frogboy
Reply #80 Saturday, December 8, 2001 5:38 PM
I find Shoggot's comment quite interesting considering his incorrect claims about VDE and baseless claims of Stardock turning freeware apps into shareware.

Then again, the irony really is that the guy running around using words like "Evil" to describe his opponents and putting a "$" as part of the names of companies is now claiming to be the rational one.

Apparently, rational requires one to agree with Shoggot's baseless assertions.

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