How the heck did we get here?!
Thursday, November 8, 2001 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Depending on your religon (or lack there of) you probably have a belief of how we humans got to be on this earth.
What's your view on it?
Here's mine (based on a collection of reading over the years):
About 4 million years ago in East Africa a particular type of ape lived in the jungle. This ape was the prececessor of what we now call humans and chimps. The climate was changing in that part of Africa to be a lot dryer forcing some of these apes to begin leaving the trees. The ones that stayed became chimps. The ones that went out there mostly died.
They died because they couldn't see the lions and other nasties out there. But a handful of them figured out that if you stood on your hind legs that you could see further. Hence those lived and passed their genes on. As time went on, more and more of these surviors were walking up right. This was important not just because they could see further but they could walk further.
This freed their hands up to do other things and most of them were still dying to lions and other nasties. But some of them were bright enough to throw rocks and they lived, to pass on their genes. Repeat this cycle for 3.9 million years and you have homosapiens. Add some other birth defects in that pushed us alon gin having to obtain a variety of food that chimps don't (humans can't produce Vitamin C, we have to consume foods that have it) and only the smarter ones survived.
Around 60,000 years ago these homosapiens, for reasons I don't know, figured out how to communicate verbally. Perhaps it was a mutation (all humans have a birth defect that causes us to be unable to drink and breath at the same time, this allows us to make a lot more sounds than any other mammal - while we're not choking anyway). Once we were able to start communicating like this, ideas could be passed along and within 60,000 years we went from hunting and gathering to farming (around 8000 years ago) to where we are now.
So what's your view?
What's your view on it?
Here's mine (based on a collection of reading over the years):
About 4 million years ago in East Africa a particular type of ape lived in the jungle. This ape was the prececessor of what we now call humans and chimps. The climate was changing in that part of Africa to be a lot dryer forcing some of these apes to begin leaving the trees. The ones that stayed became chimps. The ones that went out there mostly died.
They died because they couldn't see the lions and other nasties out there. But a handful of them figured out that if you stood on your hind legs that you could see further. Hence those lived and passed their genes on. As time went on, more and more of these surviors were walking up right. This was important not just because they could see further but they could walk further.
This freed their hands up to do other things and most of them were still dying to lions and other nasties. But some of them were bright enough to throw rocks and they lived, to pass on their genes. Repeat this cycle for 3.9 million years and you have homosapiens. Add some other birth defects in that pushed us alon gin having to obtain a variety of food that chimps don't (humans can't produce Vitamin C, we have to consume foods that have it) and only the smarter ones survived.
Around 60,000 years ago these homosapiens, for reasons I don't know, figured out how to communicate verbally. Perhaps it was a mutation (all humans have a birth defect that causes us to be unable to drink and breath at the same time, this allows us to make a lot more sounds than any other mammal - while we're not choking anyway). Once we were able to start communicating like this, ideas could be passed along and within 60,000 years we went from hunting and gathering to farming (around 8000 years ago) to where we are now.
So what's your view?
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Firestorm
Reply #2 Thursday, November 8, 2001 2:43 AM
Reply #2 Thursday, November 8, 2001 2:43 AM
Intentional Evolution for me... There's no denying the fact that evolution is real. However, I also believe in an intelligent architect who orchestrated the whole thing.
BoXXi
Reply #4 Thursday, November 8, 2001 4:53 AM
Reply #4 Thursday, November 8, 2001 4:53 AM
I believe in the theory that Brad put forward, however, I also believe that there may have been intervention at some point by more intelligent beings.
There are lots of strange things that can't easily be explained, and I guess I would LIKE to believe that extraterrestrials had a hand in our development. I have never seen a UFO, but my wife has, and if you knew her, you would know that she is not the type who is given to flights of fancy, and she rarely even tells anyone about it. I just hope we are not a large store of food for another species, just waiting to be harvested when our numbers are great enough!
MUWAHAHAHA!!
There are lots of strange things that can't easily be explained, and I guess I would LIKE to believe that extraterrestrials had a hand in our development. I have never seen a UFO, but my wife has, and if you knew her, you would know that she is not the type who is given to flights of fancy, and she rarely even tells anyone about it. I just hope we are not a large store of food for another species, just waiting to be harvested when our numbers are great enough!
MUWAHAHAHA!!
Jafo
Reply #5 Thursday, November 8, 2001 5:10 AM
Reply #5 Thursday, November 8, 2001 5:10 AM
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was 'Aardvark'.....
And the word was 'Aardvark'.....
rmiles7721
Reply #7 Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:02 AM
Reply #7 Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:02 AM
some of us may not be as evolved as others...
craeonics
Reply #8 Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:32 AM
Reply #8 Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:32 AM
What the frog said, with the exception that he is the next wave in amphibian evolution. I, by the way also think that the Neanderthals didn't go extinct, but merged with the more advanced Homo Sapiens to form the people that generally dwell in Europe. Ever noticed how some people look like cavemen?
Transmutate
Reply #9 Thursday, November 8, 2001 8:00 AM
Reply #9 Thursday, November 8, 2001 8:00 AM
I'd like to think that we evolved....however, I tend to agree with BoXXi on this topic!!!!
paxx
Reply #10 Thursday, November 8, 2001 9:39 AM
Reply #10 Thursday, November 8, 2001 9:39 AM
I'm also with Frogboy on this.
Except I still have unanswered questions... Before the apes in te jungle, what was there? Lizards?
I buy the multicellular organism evolving into a fish, evolving into lizards. I can see that. But what's between the lizards and the apes? How did the cold-blooded amphibian become a warm blooded mamal? Any scientific mind in here knows?
Another question, the BIG one, the one nobody can answer: how did it start in te first place? How did it happen that somehow, in the water, a monocellular organism come to be, did did the chain of life all started.
Some say God, some say extraterrestrials, some chance chance. But I can't satisfy myself with any of those 3, although I don't reject any either.
Except I still have unanswered questions... Before the apes in te jungle, what was there? Lizards?
I buy the multicellular organism evolving into a fish, evolving into lizards. I can see that. But what's between the lizards and the apes? How did the cold-blooded amphibian become a warm blooded mamal? Any scientific mind in here knows?
Another question, the BIG one, the one nobody can answer: how did it start in te first place? How did it happen that somehow, in the water, a monocellular organism come to be, did did the chain of life all started.
Some say God, some say extraterrestrials, some chance chance. But I can't satisfy myself with any of those 3, although I don't reject any either.
kimk546
Reply #11 Thursday, November 8, 2001 9:55 AM
Reply #11 Thursday, November 8, 2001 9:55 AM
I'm buying into the theory of evolution - it only makes sense. But our conscious thought and our conscience set us apart from all (or all I can think of) other living things. For religious folks, this could be the point where evidence of a higher power really comes in.
craeonics
Reply #12 Thursday, November 8, 2001 10:32 AM
Reply #12 Thursday, November 8, 2001 10:32 AM
The conscious thought is a non-argument to me, it places mankind on a higher level than the rest of flora and fauna. I resent that thought (not aimed at LittleBe, by the way).
Now evolution to humans goes like this:
1. chemical mixture of carbon-chains, oxygen and more fun stuff
2. formation of amino acids
3. one celled organisms
4. multicel organisms
5. specialisation in multicel organisms (think, amoebe and jellyfish)
6. marine organisms with primordial bone structures
7. fish
8. fish in shallow water
9. fish capable of moving on land, development of legs
10. amphibians
11. reptiles
12. small nocturnal reptiles, warm blooded
13. mammals (still night creatures and small)
14. extinction of dinosaurs, rise of mammals
15. tree dwellers
16. protomonkeys in forests
17. drought, so monkeys move to ground
18. biped humanoids (better cooling for brain)
19. humans
Now evolution to humans goes like this:
1. chemical mixture of carbon-chains, oxygen and more fun stuff
2. formation of amino acids
3. one celled organisms
4. multicel organisms
5. specialisation in multicel organisms (think, amoebe and jellyfish)
6. marine organisms with primordial bone structures
7. fish
8. fish in shallow water
9. fish capable of moving on land, development of legs
10. amphibians
11. reptiles
12. small nocturnal reptiles, warm blooded
13. mammals (still night creatures and small)
14. extinction of dinosaurs, rise of mammals
15. tree dwellers
16. protomonkeys in forests
17. drought, so monkeys move to ground
18. biped humanoids (better cooling for brain)
19. humans
ogomez
Reply #13 Thursday, November 8, 2001 10:52 AM
Reply #13 Thursday, November 8, 2001 10:52 AM
The notion that there has been "intervention" at some point along the way betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the theory of evolution. It is convenient for religious people, and others opposed to evolution, to simply the theory, and its incontrovertable scientific basis, to a few catch phrases. "How could we evolve by chance?". Well. . . read a book on current evolutionary theory. Don't expect someone to answer that question in a simple manner, any more than you would expect someone to someone to answer "What is particle physics?".
Simply because it is difficult to fathom the myriad of random mutations and minute changes that occur over hundreds of millions of years is no reason to call the theory into question. The alternative that some people seem to believe is equally plausible is that a non-human super being is floating somewhere in space pulling the strings. People cling to this fantasy even though there is not a single shred of evidence to confirm it.
Also the thing about apes "figuring out " how to stand on their back legs and then passing this advantageous trait to offspring was proposed by Lamarck in 1801, and is incorrect you cannot pass on acquired morphological changes to offpring. Whether it is standing more erect or cutting your hand off, neither will be passed on
Oliver
3rAd|k8er
Simply because it is difficult to fathom the myriad of random mutations and minute changes that occur over hundreds of millions of years is no reason to call the theory into question. The alternative that some people seem to believe is equally plausible is that a non-human super being is floating somewhere in space pulling the strings. People cling to this fantasy even though there is not a single shred of evidence to confirm it.
Also the thing about apes "figuring out " how to stand on their back legs and then passing this advantageous trait to offspring was proposed by Lamarck in 1801, and is incorrect you cannot pass on acquired morphological changes to offpring. Whether it is standing more erect or cutting your hand off, neither will be passed on
Oliver
3rAd|k8er
Doreen
Reply #14 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:10 AM
Reply #14 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:10 AM
I know how I got here!
my Mom & Dad hooked up in Brooklyn New York on one of those full moon, clear night by the Ocean type nights and here I am! hehe
actually the truth is:
God is the Alpha & the Omega...
1. God said "let there be light"
2. God said "Let there be expanse bet waters to sep water from water"
3. God said "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear & let there be land to produce veggies & stuff"
4. God said "Let there be lights" (That cool Moon & Sun)
5. God said "Let there be fishes and birds & other stuff"
And here it is...
6. God said "Let let there be Male & Female
7. Then God took a break
my Mom & Dad hooked up in Brooklyn New York on one of those full moon, clear night by the Ocean type nights and here I am! hehe
actually the truth is:
God is the Alpha & the Omega...
1. God said "let there be light"
2. God said "Let there be expanse bet waters to sep water from water"
3. God said "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear & let there be land to produce veggies & stuff"
4. God said "Let there be lights" (That cool Moon & Sun)
5. God said "Let there be fishes and birds & other stuff"
And here it is...
6. God said "Let let there be Male & Female
7. Then God took a break
craeonics
Reply #15 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:29 AM
Reply #15 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:29 AM
Now one one page it's "on day six, god created man and woman" and on the next it is "on day six god created man, then took a break on day seven and later on when Adam was lonely, he knocked him out, took his rip and turned that into a woman". One of the things that never made sense to me.
craeonics
Reply #16 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:31 AM
Reply #16 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:31 AM
Umm, rip = rib, but still doesn't make sense.
Firestorm
Reply #17 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:47 AM
Reply #17 Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:47 AM
Nice to see ogomez got here... This thread wouldn't be complete without someone trashing the beliefs of those of us who are religious. I'll never get how Christians are supposed to be the "intolerant" ones when atheists have no problem getting in your face and dismissing your belief system as a "fantasy."
Doreen
Reply #18 Thursday, November 8, 2001 12:01 PM
Reply #18 Thursday, November 8, 2001 12:01 PM
well it says:
God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created "them"
it does not exactly state that they were "both" created on that same day...
just that he created "them"
God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created "them"
it does not exactly state that they were "both" created on that same day...
just that he created "them"
Doreen
Reply #19 Thursday, November 8, 2001 12:06 PM
Reply #19 Thursday, November 8, 2001 12:06 PM
yeah it does! crae why you gotta get so techinical! hehe
well yeah that is confusing well maybe "later on" during the six day Adam got really lonely and that is when the rib thing happened? really later on in the day??? hehe
I really believe by "Faith" in my heart not by "interpetations" on paper...
(that is the only way, too many diff Bibles and interpetations and opinions and rationalizations etc)
well yeah that is confusing well maybe "later on" during the six day Adam got really lonely and that is when the rib thing happened? really later on in the day??? hehe
I really believe by "Faith" in my heart not by "interpetations" on paper...
(that is the only way, too many diff Bibles and interpetations and opinions and rationalizations etc)
Doreen
Reply #20 Thursday, November 8, 2001 12:18 PM
Reply #20 Thursday, November 8, 2001 12:18 PM
yeah there it is... it was later on in the day!
see you guys can't even make it through one single day w/o us females! HA
Genesis Chapter 2 which is the summary of days 1-7
I'm sure T-Man can help me out here... hehe
see you guys can't even make it through one single day w/o us females! HA
Genesis Chapter 2 which is the summary of days 1-7
I'm sure T-Man can help me out here... hehe
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Reply #1 Thursday, November 8, 2001 2:06 AM