On a very practical note, a 90 minute response time really needs to be fixed.  I know there were reasons, and those reasons need to be corrected.  Plus probably a few more "reasons" lurking around that didn't happen to show up this time.  That's just repulsive.

Seth, you're a physician.  You know, as well as I do, that hyperreligiosity is a sign of mental illness.  It's not THE sign of mental illness, but it is A sign of mental illness, and to disregard it because it falls under the category of "religion" and we wouldn't want to offend the faithful, is to ignore one of the few resources we have to spot the next "deranged madman" whose going to cause the next mass tragedy.

Oh no, we wouldn't want to "appear" to be stereotyping, so lets just keep doing pat downs at the airport on 2-year-old blond children, and selecting little old white ladies from the middle of Nebraska to be the airline passenger in line to do the random full search on, because that's working out so well for us. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458

How many more human lives have to be sacrificed so we can keep our pristine reputations where political correctness is concerned?

The mass destruction of 9/11, shows a nut will use any means at his disposal to wreak havoc... so debating the legitimacy of this current loons means is moot. And IMO poorly timed.

Lets not use this tragedy to draw lines in the sand but instead come together to help and console those who have lost so much in a short time.

Sending all my love Norway....

If it went by stereotypes, he would have been missed anyway.... The lone gunman is very hard to find. That's why I suggested what I did. I truly believe what I wrote...

Profiling is another form of violence.

The current death toll is 93 total. 7 killed in the bombing of the gov headquarters in Oslo, and 86 kids on utøya. Many drowned trying to swim off the island to safety.

I do not know any of the familes who have lost their loved ones in ths senseless massacure, but this has been a hard couple of days for us here. Words cannot describe.......

Thank you all for your well wishes

You're right....sorry to have contributed to sidetracking the thread from it's original intent.

Personally I don't think everybody should have access to guns, but it's obvious that guns are not the problem. People are, and that's what needs to be addressed: what is causing our kids to go on shooting rampages and people like this Norwegian guy to believe they should play God, what is destroying the concept of family, why are divorce rates so high and why is that accepted as 'normal', why is betraying one's spouse no longer raising eyebrows (something *devastating* to those who ever had to endure it), why are things like abortion (which early feminists like Mary Wollstonecraft vehemently condemned and actually caused to be illegal in the first place) now considered normal, why are our elders left to die alone in hospices, why do people who live *in the same building* often don't even know each other, why did movies like A Clockwork Orange shock the world in 1971 and now we see much worse and don't even flinch, why do people think that liberty is doing and saying whatever the hell they please and damn the consequences...?

There is a cancer eating our world from within, and it goes much deeper than an argument about whether 'normal people' (i.e.; people not in law enforcement, etc...) should have the right to bear arms or not.

Jorge ...it's called 'progress'.  Much of the destruction of social values is down to technology.

The pursuit of liberty at everyone else's expense other than your own.

Blaming technology is just like blaming guns, in my opinion.

As for your second phrase, agree 100% that that's part of what is happening.

Bingo!!!

and Hip Hop \ Rap

Okay, it's not factual.... wasn't supposed to be.  The point was that while there maybe be responsible people with guns, there's people who should never have them... and if taking away the right to bear arms means taking it away from 'responsible gun owners as well as the nut jobs, then so be it.  The right to LIFE comes before any so-called right to carry a gun.

Not insulting anyone... when 'responsible' society demands the right to bear arms, it demands the same right for those nut jobs who go on murderous shooting sprees as well.  So yes, every pro-gunner indirectly puts the gun in the hands of the lunatic mass murderer as well.  If anyone is offended/insulted by this truth, then tough titties, I cannot, will not apologise for conveying it.

Sadly, the US Government doesn't implement gun control because it doesn't have the balls and fears voter backlash... and voters won't give up their guns because they live in gun dependent society that's gripped in fear... so glad I live someplace else, where I can enjoy real freedom [from fear].

A gun debate has no place (or relavance) in this thread. The right to bear arms is not in the Norwegian constitutuion nor do police officers carry weapons. Perhaps starting a new thread about the subject would be advised.

Thank you

just finished an ABC report update..... he was certainly very good at keeping under the radar.... such planning... seems there was little opportunity for alarm bells to go off so it could have been prevented....

feel so much for the families....  most especially with the lost children...  

Well said, Tim, and I agree.

But I doubt that'll keep'em down.

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I'll get Hank, Jafo or ID to lock the thread if you keep this disrespect up.

Get the picture?