A Faceless Coward & Hypocrite!
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 by T-Man | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
In a previoius comment on the news thread somone questioned why President Bush had referred to the WTC Attacker as a 'coward'.
There are many reasons why this person/organization/country can be called a coward and I want to pose my view on this.
Hear you have a leader of some group who has some very strong ill opinions and agressions towards Americans that he feels the need to kill innocent people.
So this so called leader, and I use the that term loosely, recruits several young men who share his views.
He convinces them that by giving their own life to support their cause will make them a hero in their little cult.
They then carry out their plan and in the process take their own lives....Meanwhile, back in the safety, of some hideaway, this so called leader will not even step up to the plate to take credit for the events in which he has just caused. Why, because he is afraid that by doing so will put his life in danger.
COWARD! I think so.
But lets look at this a little further. If his cause was so important, that giving your life to support this cause is considered honorable (which his followeres beleived), then why is it that he is afraid to give his own life? He must recruit others to do what he himself is afraid to do. HYPOCRITE!
Stand up and show yourself! If what you believe in so strongly is so righteous then show us who you are, you Faceless Coward and Hypocrite!
There are many reasons why this person/organization/country can be called a coward and I want to pose my view on this.
Hear you have a leader of some group who has some very strong ill opinions and agressions towards Americans that he feels the need to kill innocent people.
So this so called leader, and I use the that term loosely, recruits several young men who share his views.
He convinces them that by giving their own life to support their cause will make them a hero in their little cult.
They then carry out their plan and in the process take their own lives....Meanwhile, back in the safety, of some hideaway, this so called leader will not even step up to the plate to take credit for the events in which he has just caused. Why, because he is afraid that by doing so will put his life in danger.
COWARD! I think so.
But lets look at this a little further. If his cause was so important, that giving your life to support this cause is considered honorable (which his followeres beleived), then why is it that he is afraid to give his own life? He must recruit others to do what he himself is afraid to do. HYPOCRITE!
Stand up and show yourself! If what you believe in so strongly is so righteous then show us who you are, you Faceless Coward and Hypocrite!
craeonics
Reply #2 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:38 PM
Reply #2 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:38 PM
craeonics plays Devil's Advocate
If the leader of said group would step up to the plate and tell the world he or she was responsible for it, he or she would be pretty stupid. If the US is to strike back by sending in troops, do you think GW would be in the front lines? We no longer love in a feodal society, so honour and such have lost their meaning.
(note that I don't condone terrorist actions by this, I'm just opposed to one-sided views on things)
If the leader of said group would step up to the plate and tell the world he or she was responsible for it, he or she would be pretty stupid. If the US is to strike back by sending in troops, do you think GW would be in the front lines? We no longer love in a feodal society, so honour and such have lost their meaning.
(note that I don't condone terrorist actions by this, I'm just opposed to one-sided views on things)
mooshoo
Reply #3 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:52 PM
Reply #3 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:52 PM
I see these terrorists, even the plane pilots, as cowards because they were attacking innocent people who did not deserve what they got, nor could they fight back. Sure, 70 people aboard a plane should have been able to overtake 4 or 5 terrorists with knives and box openers (which is a whole other story), but the people in the WTC and Pentagon had truly no defense for what happened, and that's what unquestioningly with out a doubt makes them cowards: attacking people who cannot fight back.
paxx
Reply #4 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:34 PM
Reply #4 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:34 PM
Yes, but willingly giving up your life? The animal instinct of self-preservation is so strong, giving up your life takes a huge will power. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but although it may be horrible, I have to admit I consider that act couragous, not cowardly.
When, as a child, I first heard of the Japanese kamikaze, I was awstruck. How could anybody have the balls to do such a thing? How could one's love for his country or his cause be so great that he forget any sense of self-being, any love for life itself. It's just beyond me.
I am a coward, I could never do anyting like that. Not for my country, not for anybody nor anything.
When, as a child, I first heard of the Japanese kamikaze, I was awstruck. How could anybody have the balls to do such a thing? How could one's love for his country or his cause be so great that he forget any sense of self-being, any love for life itself. It's just beyond me.
I am a coward, I could never do anyting like that. Not for my country, not for anybody nor anything.
Jafo
Reply #5 Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:32 AM
Reply #5 Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:32 AM
Paxx...associating suicide with collateral murder with or without 'cowardice' is misguided.
They are neither cowards, nor brave.
They are suicidal murderers, nothing more, nothing less.
They have become so through naive indoctrination....to overcome base instincts of self-preservation.
They are abhorent 'oddities' to be studied, not anything to be 'admired' in any shape or form.
it is one thing to be a body-guard, willing to give up your own life to protect another.
That is unselfish sacrifice.
Kamakaze is just cheaper than remote guided aircraft....and the Japanese considered the life of their pilots already 'sacrificed' and of no value.
These terrorists at best are deluded, at worst deranged.
They are neither cowards, nor brave.
They are suicidal murderers, nothing more, nothing less.
They have become so through naive indoctrination....to overcome base instincts of self-preservation.
They are abhorent 'oddities' to be studied, not anything to be 'admired' in any shape or form.
it is one thing to be a body-guard, willing to give up your own life to protect another.
That is unselfish sacrifice.
Kamakaze is just cheaper than remote guided aircraft....and the Japanese considered the life of their pilots already 'sacrificed' and of no value.
These terrorists at best are deluded, at worst deranged.
paxx
Reply #6 Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:56 AM
Reply #6 Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:56 AM
Well, yes, I agree, although it's still beyond me to understand. Every soldiers in this world is indoctrinated, otherwise there would be no soldier in this would who could pull the triger on any other person in this world.
I have never been in the middle of a battlefield, but I would imagine those kamikaze pilots probably are not too different from any fighting soldiers. A little more than zombies with a mission to accomplish.
But there is more that i failed to see. Being athiest I didn't think about it at first, because to me there is nothing after this life. But it just occured to me that those people are convinced they will be eternally happy in heaven. To them, this is not the end, but the beggining of something better.
So, I guess yes, look in this perspective, there is nothing heroic about it, nor cowerdice. Just plain ignorance.
I have never been in the middle of a battlefield, but I would imagine those kamikaze pilots probably are not too different from any fighting soldiers. A little more than zombies with a mission to accomplish.
But there is more that i failed to see. Being athiest I didn't think about it at first, because to me there is nothing after this life. But it just occured to me that those people are convinced they will be eternally happy in heaven. To them, this is not the end, but the beggining of something better.
So, I guess yes, look in this perspective, there is nothing heroic about it, nor cowerdice. Just plain ignorance.
Jafo
Reply #7 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:07 AM
Reply #7 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:07 AM
Kamikaze pilots were threatened with dishonorable execution if they refused the 'honourable' option of giving their life as a weapon.
Soldiers generally go though a de-humanising process of stress and adversity and blind indoctrination of authority to enable them to be efficient fighting weapons....and as they are elevated through the ranks are re-empowered with increasing states of self-sufficiency and control. By the time they are in a position of authority and power over others, it is hoped they are efficient cogs in a machine...a chain of command that will operate as one entity...a synbiosis....not all that dissimilar from an ant nest.
There is not much that is more enlightening than to observe a high-ranking military official and his inate self-confidence and calm awareness of his position and ability.
In Australia for example, the name Cosgrove springs to mind, with his handling of things in Timor.
All of this is to do with leadership, and strength of character.
I don't think terrorists have much of either.....just ideals which require extremist attitudes to isolate them from the reality of their actions...
Soldiers generally go though a de-humanising process of stress and adversity and blind indoctrination of authority to enable them to be efficient fighting weapons....and as they are elevated through the ranks are re-empowered with increasing states of self-sufficiency and control. By the time they are in a position of authority and power over others, it is hoped they are efficient cogs in a machine...a chain of command that will operate as one entity...a synbiosis....not all that dissimilar from an ant nest.
There is not much that is more enlightening than to observe a high-ranking military official and his inate self-confidence and calm awareness of his position and ability.
In Australia for example, the name Cosgrove springs to mind, with his handling of things in Timor.
All of this is to do with leadership, and strength of character.
I don't think terrorists have much of either.....just ideals which require extremist attitudes to isolate them from the reality of their actions...
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Reply #1 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:44 PM
But I was refering to those who actually voluntarely gave away their own life for this horrible act. I can find lot of words to describe those insane, evil, heartless people, but I don't think "coward" is one of them.
It doesn't take away any of the atrocity of the act, though. I am by no means trying to excuse anything about it. I was only questionning the choice of that particular word.