A comment caught my eye. . . .and a proposal for the benefit of the community
Saturday, August 18, 2001 by hegramet | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I thought this should be in it's own thread. . . In the post http://scripts.wincustomize.com/msgboardid.asp?id=17381 TomCruise says that Stardock won't place the skins for competitor's products on this site. While this is understandable from a purely market perspective, it makes me wonder about the commitment of Stardock to the skinning community. Please don't misunderstand me, I love stardock's products and am a registered OD member, and I know they put out great software. However, the site's mission statement is "The goal of this site is to act as a general skin site to the community." A general skin site would allow the community to be the judge as to what the site should host, or host enough variety to satisfy the whole community. Furthermore, the existence of competition is beneficial to the community, though not to stardock, as it is a driving force for both better products, better service, and better prices. If this site is devoted to the general community, and not stardock, then it would promote competition. I propose that either the mission statement be changed (to remove the pretense of community) or the site be ammended to include the skins of competitor's products.
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TommyBoy
Reply #62 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:14 AM
Reply #62 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:14 AM
Well Tandis, just sitting here watching the present events unfold on this messageboard is something I found kind of disturbing. I thought I would try to talk some commmon sense into your fearless leader. But since you appear to be joined at the hip with him, go ahead and exile me. I won't back anyway.
TommyBoy
Reply #63 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:15 AM
Reply #63 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:15 AM
Oh, real cute. You guys did that on purpose, didn't you?
JayG
Reply #64 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:44 AM
Reply #64 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:44 AM
seing an ingrate lie hegramet on one side and frogboy on the other really brings clarity to the discussion.
migellito
Reply #65 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:44 AM
Reply #65 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:44 AM
hegremet - please repost your last one, minus the profanity
hegramet
Reply #66 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:50 AM
Reply #66 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:50 AM
Sure. . .
Tandis, you should not put me down before you actually read what I say:
"I'm not saying that he has no right to make it a company site, but he should be honest that though there is a community of people who use company's software here, this is not the skinning community itself." -hegramet
[[Translation]]
WindowBlinds skinners are not part of the skinning community. Uhh right.
By this I mean, and I feel this to be fairly clear, that this site does not soley comprise the skinning community. And don't put me down like that, it's just a waste of space. . . instead you could be proving me wrong or something. JayG - I have all this time advocated an honest commercial venture as opposed to a stupid sham. And go to dictionary.com, seriously, an "ingrate" is what YOU are, for kissing butt without judging the actual merit of the conversation.
Tandis, you should not put me down before you actually read what I say:
"I'm not saying that he has no right to make it a company site, but he should be honest that though there is a community of people who use company's software here, this is not the skinning community itself." -hegramet
[[Translation]]
WindowBlinds skinners are not part of the skinning community. Uhh right.
By this I mean, and I feel this to be fairly clear, that this site does not soley comprise the skinning community. And don't put me down like that, it's just a waste of space. . . instead you could be proving me wrong or something. JayG - I have all this time advocated an honest commercial venture as opposed to a stupid sham. And go to dictionary.com, seriously, an "ingrate" is what YOU are, for kissing butt without judging the actual merit of the conversation.
Emily
Reply #67 Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:19 AM
Reply #67 Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:19 AM
holy moley is this long. The horse is not just dead, it's in bits and pieces. They aint changing the about doc and I don't blame them. Mr. Hegramet you must understand, to a reader such as myself, you are a new user. A new user with no skins or previous posts on this site. Why should they care what you think when they have the support of lots of people, like me, who have been here almost from opening day?
hegramet
Reply #68 Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:33 AM
Reply #68 Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:33 AM
why do you not blame them? and I won't upload here, I don't like their policies concerning their rights with my work. It's not a matter of them caring because I represent a large or small number of people, they should at least think about it, or tell me why they shouldn't think about it, or tell me why I shouldn't ask that question. They should do this because I am a member of the skinning community, and as a fellow member, they should explain why they act in ways that effect the community adversely. Emily - why does any seniority you may or may not have matter to me, as you have expressed no opinions of your own nor attemted to answer my queries? Oh, and I think I have posted before, though it was a while ago. . .as I said earlier in the thread, I don't frequent this board often, because I don't like Brad for unnamable reasons.
pjpowell
Reply #69 Sunday, August 19, 2001 4:27 AM
Reply #69 Sunday, August 19, 2001 4:27 AM
hegramet said:
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How could variety and competition be bad for anyone but stardock in this case. . .Are they acting in your best interests by not allowing it? NO! So don't defend them or their decisions; you don't get paid to. . .they do. . .I would like to hear from Brad on this topic.
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If they did have every competing softwares skins on this site and thus turned people to those software instead of their own it would harm the company. Any harm to the companies profits would also harm skinners. They are already paying more than was planned for the bandwidth of this site with what is here. Add to that some more bandwidth for downloading skins for competing products and some people moving from SD products to competing products and it is obvious that will affect them detrimentally. What can they do if they continue to lose money? Raise the price of OD and their other software to recover the loss. This would affect ME and other subscribers personally and thus they would not be acting in my best interests.
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How could variety and competition be bad for anyone but stardock in this case. . .Are they acting in your best interests by not allowing it? NO! So don't defend them or their decisions; you don't get paid to. . .they do. . .I would like to hear from Brad on this topic.
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If they did have every competing softwares skins on this site and thus turned people to those software instead of their own it would harm the company. Any harm to the companies profits would also harm skinners. They are already paying more than was planned for the bandwidth of this site with what is here. Add to that some more bandwidth for downloading skins for competing products and some people moving from SD products to competing products and it is obvious that will affect them detrimentally. What can they do if they continue to lose money? Raise the price of OD and their other software to recover the loss. This would affect ME and other subscribers personally and thus they would not be acting in my best interests.
BoXXi
Reply #70 Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:05 AM
Reply #70 Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:05 AM
If I was Brad Wardell, and anyone spoke to me the way some of you speak to him, I would pull the plug on this site in a breath! If I owned this site, it would look like the concept page that T-Man made. I think Brad shows great restraint keeping this site as it is.
Hegramet: I don't know who you are, and I don't really care, just don't come around here stinking up MY message board with your petty jealousies. Yes, your jealousy is so evident it's embarrasing. If you don't like it, just don't come here. If you are into desktop customization, this is still the best place to hang out.
Brad, I hope you DON'T pull the plug! some of us are grateful for the site you have provided. You must have the patience of a saint to put up with the whinging, whining idiots who attack you on a regular basis.
Now, grow up, you whiners, this is a website, not a government.
I have truly never heard such bullshit as complaining about a websites mission statement!!
I come to this message board for help when I need it, and to offer help where I can. I don't want to read this political crap that some of you spout. I'll say it again: IT'S A WEBSITE, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!, just take some nice skins for your computer and shut the hell up.
Thank you.
Hegramet: I don't know who you are, and I don't really care, just don't come around here stinking up MY message board with your petty jealousies. Yes, your jealousy is so evident it's embarrasing. If you don't like it, just don't come here. If you are into desktop customization, this is still the best place to hang out.
Brad, I hope you DON'T pull the plug! some of us are grateful for the site you have provided. You must have the patience of a saint to put up with the whinging, whining idiots who attack you on a regular basis.
Now, grow up, you whiners, this is a website, not a government.
I have truly never heard such bullshit as complaining about a websites mission statement!!
I come to this message board for help when I need it, and to offer help where I can. I don't want to read this political crap that some of you spout. I'll say it again: IT'S A WEBSITE, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!, just take some nice skins for your computer and shut the hell up.
Thank you.
berzerka
Reply #71 Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:51 AM
Reply #71 Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:51 AM
errrm, im confused, i just thought this was a site that u could submit ur skins to!
T-Man
Reply #73 Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:23 AM
Reply #73 Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:23 AM
hegramet - "except that you run it for personal profit behind a veneer of community, instead of having more respect for the community than to see it merely as a pool of customers. "
Though you didn't state it, many people tend to think the 'Community' revolved around Skinz.org. And if my memory is correct, skinz.org was there to make money off of banner ads. Therefore, Skinz.org was a Company Site and not a Community site.
So all of you have been hipnotized as to what you think is 'The Community'.
It seems to me that I live in a 'community' where we have elected officials. The make decisions on issues and such to benefit the community. And even though it may not benefit everyones personal interests it is usually best for 'The Community'.
Though you didn't state it, many people tend to think the 'Community' revolved around Skinz.org. And if my memory is correct, skinz.org was there to make money off of banner ads. Therefore, Skinz.org was a Company Site and not a Community site.
So all of you have been hipnotized as to what you think is 'The Community'.
It seems to me that I live in a 'community' where we have elected officials. The make decisions on issues and such to benefit the community. And even though it may not benefit everyones personal interests it is usually best for 'The Community'.
Tarkus
Reply #74 Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:29 AM
Reply #74 Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:29 AM
Never has so much been made of so little.
Well, at least not since the John Rocker interview.
Well, at least not since the John Rocker interview.
JayG
Reply #75 Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:34 AM
Reply #75 Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:34 AM
i don't think i ever posted on skinz.org in all the months i was there. but i post plenty here. why? because on skinz, the self appointed elitists kept their mouths shut. but here a tiny group of elitsts try to tell the rest of us 'stardock butt kissers' how the site we love should be. who the hell are they to say? the admins on this site have been very flexible. i was one of those leading the charge in objecting to the site asking for mail addresses. i complained bitterly but with respect. and you know what? they changed it. they listened. but i don't give a flying rats ass what some unknown guy i've never seen post and has never submitted a skin here thinks. he's invested nothing. i haven't either but i've spent a lot of time reading and posting on this message board. this website is my personal home page. these stupid elitist flame wars won't ever go away until the elitists leave and don't come back. the admins are so obviously doing the right thing here since this place has exploded in popularity. the elitists should shut the hell up and go start their own skin place and see if they can do half as well.
hegramet
Reply #76 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:05 PM
Reply #76 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:05 PM
I still have no answer concerning the mission statement . . . so call me elitist (which is stupid and false) or whatever you like, but there's still a lack of honesty.
Frank Leon
Reply #77 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:14 PM
Reply #77 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:14 PM
Just skimming this thread, jesus its long, the answer 'no we're not gonna change the mission statement' comes through several times. fb doesn't agree with your interpretation. End of story.
hegramet
Reply #78 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:39 PM
Reply #78 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:39 PM
The reason behind the lack of honesty is kinda cloudy. . . .This claims to be a site for the general skinning, but should claim, as is the truth, that they host stadock products, and if they have money for bandwidth (if that is the reason; many have mentioned that we wouldn't want to put any stardock employees out on the street by, gasp, embracing competition) they will host some other skins aswell. It's merely a request that the stardock folks not pretend to serve two masters.
hegramet
Reply #80 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:49 PM
Reply #80 Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:49 PM
stop being a sycophant, frank. Am I wrong? if I am, tell me why and how, but don't tell me to get a life. . . You don't know me outside this thread. Either respond intelligently instead of with jibes, or don't post.
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Reply #61 Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:14 AM