A comment caught my eye. . . .and a proposal for the benefit of the community
Saturday, August 18, 2001 by hegramet | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I thought this should be in it's own thread. . . In the post http://scripts.wincustomize.com/msgboardid.asp?id=17381 TomCruise says that Stardock won't place the skins for competitor's products on this site. While this is understandable from a purely market perspective, it makes me wonder about the commitment of Stardock to the skinning community. Please don't misunderstand me, I love stardock's products and am a registered OD member, and I know they put out great software. However, the site's mission statement is "The goal of this site is to act as a general skin site to the community." A general skin site would allow the community to be the judge as to what the site should host, or host enough variety to satisfy the whole community. Furthermore, the existence of competition is beneficial to the community, though not to stardock, as it is a driving force for both better products, better service, and better prices. If this site is devoted to the general community, and not stardock, then it would promote competition. I propose that either the mission statement be changed (to remove the pretense of community) or the site be ammended to include the skins of competitor's products.
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craeonics
Reply #22 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:06 PM
Reply #22 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:06 PM
craeonics gets caguht with an in-between post again...
CygnusXII
Reply #25 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:21 PM
Reply #25 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:21 PM
"BTW, anyone caught creating alias users (such as "Tom Cruise") will be exiled."
Frogboy
How many do you have Brad?
Three I think.
Alias'es can be tailered, to the Users Mood, the want for Anonymity, or reasons you do not need, be concerned, with.
I stand behind my Nym, and have no need for another, but others may not feel that way.
"Do as I say, not as I do!"
I have enough of a hard time getting my Daughter, to swallow, that line. Let alone, have you try to dictate it to me. You are not my Father, Mentor, nor my Idol, and have no influence over, what I choose to say, do, or infer.
The rest of this thread is a been there, done that, and the originator, will discover, that there isn't a chance in Hell, to resolve it, or even get some kind of closure, other than, the Company Line.
hegramet, just listen to everyone, and get on with$¥]tever, you choose, to do.
Frogboy
How many do you have Brad?
Three I think.
Alias'es can be tailered, to the Users Mood, the want for Anonymity, or reasons you do not need, be concerned, with.
I stand behind my Nym, and have no need for another, but others may not feel that way.
"Do as I say, not as I do!"
I have enough of a hard time getting my Daughter, to swallow, that line. Let alone, have you try to dictate it to me. You are not my Father, Mentor, nor my Idol, and have no influence over, what I choose to say, do, or infer.
The rest of this thread is a been there, done that, and the originator, will discover, that there isn't a chance in Hell, to resolve it, or even get some kind of closure, other than, the Company Line.
hegramet, just listen to everyone, and get on with$¥]tever, you choose, to do.
Frogboy
Reply #27 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:27 PM
Reply #27 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:27 PM
There is Frogboy and Draginol. If you click on either one, it will say "Brad Wardell". The reason you know I have 2 (not 3) users here is because I've been very open about it.
Anonymous posters are not welcome because we do not know what their motivations are. If you or someone else needs a second account for whatever reason (I have Draginol so that I can visit the site as a non-Admin usually for testing) that's fine as long as you identify who you are.
Anonymous posters are not welcome because we do not know what their motivations are. If you or someone else needs a second account for whatever reason (I have Draginol so that I can visit the site as a non-Admin usually for testing) that's fine as long as you identify who you are.
paxx
Reply #28 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:00 PM
Reply #28 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:00 PM
Brad, just for fun, click on craeonics's name. As far as I know, none of that info is true. The same goes for a lot of people. Some don't wish to be known as their public selves, and it's their choice.
As for the community discussion, I've made my point known in the other thread: this site, for me, is more like an extended Windowblinds.net than a shrank down skinz.org. But that's just me, and me alone, I don't try to convice anyone, but I am free to perceive what i perceive.
As for the community discussion, I've made my point known in the other thread: this site, for me, is more like an extended Windowblinds.net than a shrank down skinz.org. But that's just me, and me alone, I don't try to convice anyone, but I am free to perceive what i perceive.
Doreen
Reply #29 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:06 PM
Reply #29 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:06 PM
Paxx most of that info is true cept his name nobody knows craes real name cept me
/evil laughter
(well actually he could have lied to me too) =/
/evil laughter
(well actually he could have lied to me too) =/
Frogboy
Reply #30 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:25 PM
Reply #30 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:25 PM
The difference is subtle but crucial and not an exact science. We know you, and Dangeruss, and Craeonics and Cygnus, etc. You have years and years invested in your personas/handles, whatever you want to call them.
What you don't want to have happen is to have a message board filled with instant-alias's who have some agenda to push.
I know this is harsh but people who think that this site is bad or unfair or whatever can go to one of the other sites. We just want to have a place that is enjoyable to hang out. And it's hard to do that when you have anonymous users coming in amking trollish comments (like "Tom Cruise" did) in threads.
Those users who feel so passionate on how skin sites should be should use that passion in a constructive way to start their own website and can run it precisely how they think is best. That is much preferable than creating anonymous users to take make off topic responses in an effort to stir things up.
What you don't want to have happen is to have a message board filled with instant-alias's who have some agenda to push.
I know this is harsh but people who think that this site is bad or unfair or whatever can go to one of the other sites. We just want to have a place that is enjoyable to hang out. And it's hard to do that when you have anonymous users coming in amking trollish comments (like "Tom Cruise" did) in threads.
Those users who feel so passionate on how skin sites should be should use that passion in a constructive way to start their own website and can run it precisely how they think is best. That is much preferable than creating anonymous users to take make off topic responses in an effort to stir things up.
paxx
Reply #31 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:38 PM
Reply #31 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:38 PM
Frogboy, user TomCruise was created as a joke a few months ago in a thread which I don't even remember what the topic was. But I know somebody else registered NicoleKidman then for the same motive of fooling around in that thread.
Now, that person apparently remembered that he/she had registered that nick and just decided to use it to raise a point without being taxed as a traitor by the rest of this Stardock community. Cause it is a fact, anything that is midly a critic of either this site or - worst even - of Stardock Corporation is automatically answered with flames and thunder by the Stardock fan club, and proclaimed a heretic.
Although I am not TomCruise, I can hardly blame somebody who would wish to use a pseudonym to state his opinion.
Voila.
Now, that person apparently remembered that he/she had registered that nick and just decided to use it to raise a point without being taxed as a traitor by the rest of this Stardock community. Cause it is a fact, anything that is midly a critic of either this site or - worst even - of Stardock Corporation is automatically answered with flames and thunder by the Stardock fan club, and proclaimed a heretic.
Although I am not TomCruise, I can hardly blame somebody who would wish to use a pseudonym to state his opinion.
Voila.
Transmutate
Reply #32 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:50 PM
Reply #32 Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:50 PM
there was also a citizen kane if i remember correctly 
Frogboy
Reply #33 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:07 PM
Reply #33 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:07 PM
Paxx, if you don't see the problem in an anonymous user trying to turn a question about what the difference between Litestep and WindowBlinds into yet another "let's bash WinCustomize" thread then we really have nothing further to talk about.
paxx
Reply #34 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:12 PM
Reply #34 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:12 PM
I guess not then, cause this kind of administrative behavior has a name in real life: dictatorship.
Transmutate
Reply #35 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:13 PM
Reply #35 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:13 PM
BTW - i have only one account!
I don't see any reason to have more than that!
I don't see any reason to have more than that!
paxx
Reply #36 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:14 PM
Reply #36 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:14 PM
Buit whatever suits you Brad.
Tis your site, reign upon it as you wish.
Tis your site, reign upon it as you wish.
hegramet
Reply #38 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:21 PM
Reply #38 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:21 PM
I've been away from the tread for the evening, and read through it. I don't see one thing tho. . . the reason for not changing the mission statement to be accurate. I really don't care about changing anything else, I just want an answer to this question: Why is the mission statement not accurate? And please do not say I should make my own site. . .I am a member of the skinning communtiy, and since you run a community site you could at least acknoledge my requests as valid even if you choose to do differently.
Frogboy
Reply #39 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:32 PM
Reply #39 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:32 PM
We don't agree is the problem.
We feel it IS accurate. This site IS a general skin site that has most of the popular programs on it.
Each website "in the community" runs their website as they choose. To my knowledge, there is no elected board of "skin community" people who get to decide for websites what is and isn't a required section.
We feel it IS accurate. This site IS a general skin site that has most of the popular programs on it.
Each website "in the community" runs their website as they choose. To my knowledge, there is no elected board of "skin community" people who get to decide for websites what is and isn't a required section.
paxx
Reply #40 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:38 PM
Reply #40 Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:38 PM
hegramet, I tink it is ess-vid who once said that there is no such thing as a skinning community. There are instead a big bunch of communities. There's the Deviantart community, the Lotsofskins community, the Winamp.com community, there used to be the customize.org, the skinz.org and the Deskmod communities. Although I wasn't sharing his opinion back when he said it, I am indeed starting to see the wisdom of it. This is the Stardock/Wincustomize community. A community, not THE community.
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Reply #21 Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:04 PM