Internet Explorer 9

Final Preview

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 by Cameochi | Discussion: Personal Computing

Checked out the last preview of IE9 and it's looking pretty good.  Haven't checked out this latest one yet though.  The beta should be out shortly.  The performance stats are impressive so it will be interesting to see how it compares to Chrome and FF in the real world.  I really like Chrome but I make my living in a Microsoft world so IE is a must for me.   Just click the link above to view the article.

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tazgecko
Reply #41 Monday, August 9, 2010 11:19 PM

Pyrkaige
.The big question is whether or not Microsoft will actually update IE 9 with new standards and features throughout it's life, or if they're going to just sit on their hands for another 2-3 years until they start all over with IE 10. The worst part of IE being the lowest common denominator on the web has been that IE versions are never upgraded; everyone has to wait for an entirely new numbered version to come along, to get any new features.

Remember IE6 ... 5 years of it.

Lets hope with IE9 they have a upgrade stream like other browsers. They should be applying the standards and features when they become viable and not waiting to make their own (and often inferior) alternatives.

 

tazgecko
Reply #42 Monday, August 9, 2010 11:23 PM

On that note flash also won't die cause it'll take time to get rid of HTML4 browsers, for reasons already mentioned.

? what happen to the Zombies

Yes but we can hope!

Savyg
Reply #43 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:07 AM

tazgecko

? what happen to the Zombies

Yes but we can hope!

I figured after bitching at someone else for being off topic I should probably stay on it 

I might download preview 4 and go at it sometime but with the beta around the corner why bother

CobraA1
Reply #44 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:20 AM

And this is why competition is so important - look what happens at Microsoft when there's serious competition to IE .

From what I've read so far, it looks like Microsoft is pushing hard on performance and standards compliance on this one. Although I think Firefox is working on hardware acceleration and HTML 5 as well, it's nice to see that Microsoft is finally trying to push forward and actually try to make progress in areas people care about.

What I think has flown under the radars of a lot of people is how much they are actually doing with HTML 5. In fact, if everything I've read is correct, they are actually working a lot with the W3C to refine the spec and are helping the W3C write test for it.

In fact, they're doing so much, you might say that Microsoft is writing the new HTML specification. Okay, maybe that's going a bit too far - but it does seem that Microsoft has really changed their approach to how they deal with the whole issue of them lagging behind other browsers when it comes to specifications for web standards.

I'm undecided if this is a good or bad thing. However, this is Microsoft's new claim for compatibility with standards:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/

Source: IEBlog

That's right - Microsoft is, for the most part, claiming that IE9 is gonna beat the pants off of Firefox, Opera, Safari, and Chrome when it comes to standards support. Now, they're not really saying it explicitly, but they have been pushing forward a lot of tests for standards support, and they're mentioning the tests a lot in their blogs.

Problem is, they haven't really shown any UI yet, so there's no telling what it'll look like.

However, Microsoft's testing is to be believed, Firefox, Opera, Safari, and Chrome may end up in a role reversal when it comes to standards support.

skyzyk
Reply #45 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:54 AM

I thnk this explains all

Microsoft Download Center
 

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I think when microsoft themselves suggest this, it means there are still tons pf problems with it. If I think back to the days of the change from 7 to 8, it's the same thing over again. I most definitely agree with Philly0381. I'll wait until everything is ironed out. I had enough problems just with the test drive site on top of it. There is an svg dice game. It wouldn't play in my IE8 but it did in Firefox regular, LOL. 
Savyg
Reply #46 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:12 AM

CobraA1
However, Microsoft's testing is to be believed, Firefox, Opera, Safari, and Chrome may end up in a role reversal when it comes to standards support.

They're comparing a browser that won't be released for a while yet with browsers that have been released though.  There's plenty of time to catch up.

As to Firefox, I don't think they were even working on adding hardware accel before MS announced it.  I've been wrong before, but I don't recall that anyway.  So far it's a big 'me too' shout since they haven't enabled it by default and we don't know if it's actually used the same way or not.

I'd like to see a proper comparison, but then, we'd need to wait for actual release software for that anyway.

Savyg
Reply #47 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:16 AM

skyzyk
I think when microsoft themselves suggest this, it means there are still tons pf problems with it.

What?  Of course they're not going to recommend a product that hasn't been released yet.

Pyrkaige
Reply #48 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:52 AM

For anyone interested in IE 9, is it worth pointing out that these "preview" versions install alongside IE 8 -- they don't replace it. So you can safely install it to test it out, without it replacing a complete browser. IE 9 is not currently a full "web browser", it has no interface or other features expected in one. It's just a preview of what it will become as a browser.

As for hardware acceleration, Firefox developers have been working on that for a long time, before MS ever announced that it was going to be a feature of IE 9. Some Direct2D acceleration is already in the current Firefox 4 betas, although it isn't enabled by default, as there's still work to be done. It's a logical step forward -- it's kind of crazy that so many people use their web browsers each day to watch videos and other video-intensive activities, and that isn't being accelerated by their video cards, right now. (Of course, the other browsers will be trying to bring such acceleration to other platforms besides Vista/Windows 7 -- IE 9 will only run on those, so MS doesn't have to try to make it work anywhere else.)

As for standards support, there's no question that IE 9 makes great strides forward. But of course, the comparisons like the one listed above are just the standards that Microsoft cares to talk about -- there are others that they haven't implemented in IE 9 and probably won't, that are also useful. It's more useful to check broader tests, such as http://www.html5test.com/ and http://css3please.com/ to see what important standards a browser supports.

 

dustbeta
Reply #49 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:37 PM

I think the largest issue with people migrating to IE9 is business.  Unfortunatley my company (22,000 employees) has so many legacy applications and web tools that we are stuck on IE6 forever.  No one in IT has the spine to to tell various business groups to get rid of their legacy stuff or else.  But I am looking forward to IE9 for my own personal use for sure.

CobraA1
Reply #50 Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:33 PM

dustbeta
I think the largest issue with people migrating to IE9 is business.  Unfortunatley my company (22,000 employees) has so many legacy applications and web tools that we are stuck on IE6 forever.  No one in IT has the spine to to tell various business groups to get rid of their legacy stuff or else.  But I am looking forward to IE9 for my own personal use for sure.

I hate to say this - but we may see businesses in really bad situations if they don't upgrade. Hackers are out there, computers fail, XP won't be sold forever, etc.

IMO any business that doesn't have regular refreshes of their software and hardware is likely to see an increasing financial burden for supporting their systems in the future.

Sooner or later, they'll eventually reach the point where maintaining the system is impossible.

Frankly - I would not be surprised if this actually leads to many corporations becoming bankrupt.

Cameochi
Reply #51 Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:21 PM

Here is the latest on Internet Explorer 9.  It is supposed to launch on Sept 15th.  Unlike the previews the beta will replace IE 8.  I will probably download it after a few days after launch in case it's got major problems.  I'm brave but not totally crazy - well not when it comes to computers anyway. 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/203195/here_Comes_ie_9_beta_launches_september_15_woot.html?tk=rss_news

lbgsloan
Reply #52 Saturday, August 14, 2010 1:04 PM

Meh, let me know when IE gets adblock plus and noscript.  They're pretty much mandetory for blocking out all the garbage that pops up at you these days.

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