Brad's Skinning Blog: GUI Olympics rants, trademarks, videos, and what's in a skin...
Thursday, May 27, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
I remember now why I don't like doing GUI Olympics/Championships. The horror...the horror. There's always someone who thinks their entry is the end all be all and wants to make everyone miserable for not being given their kudos.
I'm used to the WindowBlinds community or more specifically, the WinCustomize community. The world's largest skinning community that is also one of the most friendly and mature. It's a fun place to hang out with. A place where the skinners are more diplomatic than most of the users! 
And this week the results of the GUI Olympics were particularly tough because there were so many great skins to choose from. And the icons that have been made have reached quality levels that were simply..breathtaking. Fortunately, I'm not an official judge. But in a way, I wish I were. Because me and Pat have put massive hours (again) into this contest and yet we have very little control over the results. So if people don't like the results, they blame the contest as a whole which I tend to take a bit personally since I've poured so much time into it.
This is particularly true on the Winamp skins where the judging is mostly at the discretion of the Nullsoft judges. I don't think Voodoo (the Neowin judge) participated in the Winamp judging this week. But the judges are exceptionally qualified. First, my friend Jark, the man behind deviantART, the largest art community in the world. Secondly, you have two judges from Nullsoft itself, makers of Winamp. You'd be hard pressed to find a more prestigious and excellent set of judges than that. And I think they've done a great job.
The results on the Winamp skins seem good to me. I'm just going by screenshots but they look good. But apparently some portions of the Winamp community weren't satisfied with them so they've taken out their angst on the contest by making it very loud that they think the contest is a joke. And in classic "shoot the messenger" a lot of the abuse was heaped on me personally even though I'm not even involved on the Winamp stuff.
To put things in contrast, on the WindowBlinds and icon packages area I could definitely see artists who could be rightfully miffed. It was sooo close on some of them. One of my personal favorite icon packages, Alloy Bezel, didn't win best themed. In fact, it didn't even place in the top 3. I was made for him. 
But did you see Ian Black (vf) out there screaming about it? No. He has class. He's a real pro. And Treetog's PirateOS icons were outsanding too. Designed specifically for the pseudo-OS icon event. And Treetog is one of the most popular skinners in history. But he didn't place in the top 3. Do you see Treetog out there ranting and raving? No. Again, he has class.
And DigitalChet's Sugarfree skin just barely missed placing in the best themed WindowBlinds skin. But has he written up some long complaint? No. In fact, none of the WindowBlinds authors were out there complaining even though there are over 100 WindowBlinds skins out there. It's about sportsmanship.
But from some of the Winamp artists/coders we get "your contest is a joke!", personal attacks, and other nastiness. Why? Some of them calling the prizes a joke in the Winamp area. Those who know me know that while I have a thick skin, I have a real weak spot for people who mistakenly believe they have leverage. I got email from a couple Winamp users saying how they hate Stardock now (as if Stardock were somehow at fault for the Winamp skin results). Another couple of users threatened to pull their skins out. That's insane thinking. Exactly how does it harm Stardock if there are Winamp skins in the contest or not? If every Winamp skin author pulled their skin, how does that harm us? The contest is there to promote skinning and we wanted Winamp to be involved because we like the guys at Nullsoft and we wanted to help highlight Winamp skinning and help promote Winamp 5. The GUI Olympics has gotten a lot of traffic. Having Winamp in the contest helps Winamp. It doesn't affect Stardock. But threatening Stardock to pull your Winamp skins is akin to threatening Microsoft to quit using ICQ.
There was more than one person at Stardock scratching their heads asking why we included Winamp instead of promoting ObjectMedia / DesktopX media playing. As cool as Winamp is, DesktopX is just as capable of doing media players: Full alpha blending, seamless animation, all the features of WMP, VB Script, Java script support, etc. But we didn't feel that ObjectMedia was popular enough to warrant that. Winamp, IMO, started skinning on Windows and we felt it had earned its place. But the nastiness of the vocal elements of the Winamp community have definitely taken the shine off those warm and fuzzy feelings.
A New Name?
Speaking of traffic, no matter how you slice it, this will be the last GUI Olympics under that name. The US Olympic Commission has requested that we not use the name Olympics. Now, you can debate whether they have the right to trademark the name "Olympic" or not but we're not going to mess with it. So if there's another contest in the future like this, it'll be called something else.
WindowBlinds skinning
I don't think some people realize everything that goes into a WindowBlinds skin. This is particularly true of msstyles advocates who think of a GUI skin via the limitations of msstyles. Hence the complaining of results on the WindowBlinds side has mostly come from msstyles advocates who don't realize that WindowBlinds skins can have toolbar icons, progress animations, sound effects, wallpapers, animation, etc. Animation, for instance, needn't slow down the computer - particularly if well used. And many of the best WindowBlinds skins this year are truly complete in this regard.
But when the "best overall" skin portion comes to play, I can almost imagine hearing some screaming from the people who think of skins as just being the title bar and borders and maybe a clever Start bar. I don't know what the judges will end up going by. Maybe they'll ignore all the other elements if they're missing.
But personally, I think having replacement progress animations and some carefully used sound, and toolbar icons and such matter to a degree. I get weary of hearing people who say "I don't want all that bloat!" Well fine, use classic. I'm skinning my GUI for a reason. I like it being different. That's the whole point. And my laptop runs these things just fine. They don't slow up my work.
Speaking of work...
In final testing for The Political Machine. Been working on the AI a lot on that. I use my machine very intensely for software development and I have DesktopX, ObjectBar. WindowBlinds and WindowFX running pretty much full time. I always wonder about these people who yell about skinning slowing down their computers. It makes me wonder what they do on their computers that is so taxing. Maybe their computers are infested with Spyware or something slowing them down. 
Anyway, I hope I don't sound too cranky. It's never fun to have people tell you that you don't know anything about skinning or calling something you've put hundreds of hours into a joke as you can imagine. I can say that I'm really proud of the results of the GUI Olympics so far. I think particularly the WindowBlinds and icon artists have demonstrated a real level of class and maturity. When I saw the results, I could see why what won won even though they weren't necessarily my favorites (particularly on themed icons). But on the other hand, the quality of these things is just stunning. 28 icon packages, each having >100 icons. That's almost 3,000 icons were created and most of them with sizes up to 128x128 down to 16x16. We're talking massive effort there and the quality is stunning.
On that note, here's a link to a demo I did of some of the skins and icons of the GUI Olympics.
| Video: GUI Olympics, Weeks 2 and 3... |
Reply #22 Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:57 AM
I have to say I had no idea this was happening, but I went to the comments on the GUIO page I was astonished but the abusinve comments, man there are some childish people out there. This is a contest, and everyone has there own opinion. I agree I have some favorites that I would have like to win, but I have to admit that those who did win deserved it WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. Those from the winamp community have taken this personally and they shouldn't. Everyone who participated WON, because they now all have had some of the spoltlight. This competition has allowed many people to see a new side of computing, and with that many new names in skinning. Those who can't lose gracefully should not have submitted anything in the first place. There are TOO MANY entries and only a few medals (as with EVERY contest) and there will be a lot of "losers", but they should be honorable enough to understand that.
I have to say, I agree with you completely Frogboy, these entries are the best EVER, and the BAR HAS BEEN RAISED this year, EVERYONE SHOULD BE PROUD. The greatest winners of this competition are the FANS like me who get to admire such magnificent work.

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Reply #25 Thursday, May 27, 2004 7:55 PM
What about "GUI Olympiad"?
Jerry
PS put DX Objects in next time so I can compete.

Reply #26 Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:06 PM
That aside, it is ridiculous that people would be so bothered by not winning, that they would ask that their skins be removed or suggest that things are rigged or a joke. They are simply sore losers. Of course everyone wants to win, but not everyone can.
The losers should really admire the winners and think about how they can improve things for next time.
I am glad Winamp was included as it has been a stable of skinning for so long, even if it has lost some of its luster in recent years (mainly due to the ver. 3 build I think).
I think this contest is an idea though that despite these slight setbacks is a boon to skinning. It creates immense interest and challenges skinners to really do some outstanding work.
I think everyone who participating and didn't complain deserves a round of applause and many thanks for their hard work.
Reply #27 Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:11 PM
I just read the article about Winamp users complaining about the GUI Olympics and I wanted to say that I agree with you on all points. I am new to the skinners world having just purchased Object Desktop, and downloading Object Dock and Cursor XP.
It seems to me that the effort put in on all this artwork shows a real commitment to expanding the GUI of any computer and should be cherished.
I for one enjoyed browsing many of the contestant's pieces of artwork and hope to one day be able to put a windowblind package together that would be accepted at WinCustomize. I think that putting something back into the skinners community would always be a step in the right direction.
My heart felt congratulations to all who made it into the contest and I hope you are able to run the contest again under whatever name is appropriate.
By the way, I am enjoying a number of downloaded WindowBlinds which my subscription to WinCustomize has afforded me.
Thanks again and I hope this was not too long-winded.
Corky O

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Reply #31 Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:16 AM
Essencay, I agree with what you mean - Unfortunately, I believe that definition doesn't stick anyway as AFAIK the last GUIO was two years ago (and hopefully the next being two years from now
)Cruiser77, the AOL thing is the main reason (out of many) why I haven't touched Winamp for three years (apart from looking at WA5).
If you need another media player to check, I use Quintessential Player now (www.quinnware.com) - A hell of a program and a lot of impressive skins have been made for it (even by QCD's developer
). Could even be a worthy replacement for Winamp at the next GUIO (hint hint
)DigitalCHET, you took the words out of my mouth - Practically every entry I saw at GUIO (I was watching them all, even Winamp
) was of impressive quality and each deserved to win. But not everyone could win, and the ones that did weren't exactly five-minute jobs but the best of the best
The winners of each category deserve an ovation, but every entrant that made the decision hell for the winners deserves to be applauded for both raising the bar and making it very competitive 
WhiteFurr, I know the feeling - In the past three weeks I must have seen eleven ATI-nVidia war threads in one non-gaming forum alone (nine by the same ATI fan boy FFS >
). These things happen, which makes the behaviour of the majority in GUIO even more impressive. Kyhlwch, allow me to give you a proper welcome to Stardock's skinning community. I went a similar way - First ObjectDock, then WB, then CursorXP, then DX2
As for the browsers, I'll say hell yeah to them - FIREFOX FOR THE NEXT GUIO 
Nighttrain2002, nice metaphor

Beesley, that class is why I'm always sticking around here (despite going back to StyleXP & ThemeXP now and then
)sculver, nice way of putting it - It's the matter of the bar being raised far more than that of WinCustomize which makes the GUIO such a success. Then again, it could also be the fact that it's only every other year - Too often and it gets old

JerryHat, nice idea - There's a number of 16-18 YO exam boards in the UK that use the term Olympiad for their science competitions (Physics Olympiad, etc), so I doubt that's copyrighted

To every person who either participated or judged, thank you on making the GUIO such a pleasure to watch
There's no doubt that the GUIO raised the bar on its highlighted areas to higher than ever before. And I predict that it's because of the GUIO that the quality of skins in WinCustomise, DeviantArt etc will be raised even more afterwards 
Can't wait for the next GUIO, whatever name it'll be under

Reply #32 Saturday, May 29, 2004 4:03 PM
Reply #33 Sunday, May 30, 2004 1:01 AM
Regards,
Cruiser

Reply #34 Monday, May 31, 2004 6:34 PM

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Reply #21 Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:40 AM