Neowin shut down by Microsoft
Friday, March 7, 2003 by T1Pimp | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Neowin.net was just shut down by a Microsoft 'cease and desist' letter. According to The Register the letter relates to an item published by Neowin concerning a Microsoft peer-to-peer SDK. "In simple terms," a Neowin source told The Register, "Microsoft scared our server host."
It's not clear to us whether Microsoft's objection was to something published on Neowin, to something published elsewhere that Neowin directed people to, or even to a direction to a direction to somewhere elsewhere (take-down avoidance can involve a whole heap of nesting).
Neowin is a great site that's really made a big splash in the last year or so. I sure hope the gang over there gets everything back up again!
It's not clear to us whether Microsoft's objection was to something published on Neowin, to something published elsewhere that Neowin directed people to, or even to a direction to a direction to somewhere elsewhere (take-down avoidance can involve a whole heap of nesting).
Neowin is a great site that's really made a big splash in the last year or so. I sure hope the gang over there gets everything back up again!
joetheblow
Reply #3 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:00 AM
Reply #3 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:00 AM
I can't even pull up the site. what kind of host is this?
choose another host.
choose another host.
T1Pimp
Reply #4 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:09 AM
Reply #4 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:09 AM
According to The Register, they're in the process of looking for a new host.
Surj
Reply #5 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:35 AM
Reply #5 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:35 AM
thats odd
"Hello Brian,
We've experienced a few hiccups with our recent server reconfiguration but it should be smoothing itself out.
Regards,"
thats what I got when I emailed invision services. They really went out of their way to host Neowin, its hard to believe they would just give them the boot.
"Hello Brian,
We've experienced a few hiccups with our recent server reconfiguration but it should be smoothing itself out.
Regards,"
thats what I got when I emailed invision services. They really went out of their way to host Neowin, its hard to believe they would just give them the boot.
Surj
Reply #6 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:40 AM
Reply #6 Friday, March 7, 2003 10:40 AM
i really cant understand why neowin would be shut down. Theyre by far one of the better tech sites out there, and they certaintly follow the 'rules' better than most out there. Grief, some of Neowins affiliates alone commonly post links to questionable software downloads regularly
WolfwoodX
Reply #7 Friday, March 7, 2003 12:37 PM
Reply #7 Friday, March 7, 2003 12:37 PM
Screw invision. They could have kindly said "Please take down the Microsoft peer-to-peer SDK item because of legal issues." But NO.. invision takes them down intirely.
Screw MS too. They don't have the balls to confront the problem from the sorce, instead, they cut the intire lifeline for the site.. its server.
Sigh, I guess when your rich, you can do anything..
Screw MS too. They don't have the balls to confront the problem from the sorce, instead, they cut the intire lifeline for the site.. its server.
Sigh, I guess when your rich, you can do anything..
Lastshot
Reply #9 Friday, March 7, 2003 1:04 PM
Reply #9 Friday, March 7, 2003 1:04 PM
i think its a Load Of Crap Ms Shutting Site sDown Apple Copyrighting GOD nows What
Hell Dragon
Reply #10 Friday, March 7, 2003 1:55 PM
Reply #10 Friday, March 7, 2003 1:55 PM
lol @ joetheblow 
the news post is about Neowin being shut down - of course you can't access the site!
the news post is about Neowin being shut down - of course you can't access the site!
Surj
Reply #11 Friday, March 7, 2003 2:18 PM
Reply #11 Friday, March 7, 2003 2:18 PM
neowin has a note on the site now about the whole ordeal.
"Yesterday at 12am GMT Neowin was taken offline when our provider received a "Demand for Immediate Takedown" order from a Microsoft contracted company that investigates illegal activity on the Internet for Microsoft. The email was sent to the provider and not to the Server admins that lease the server, IPS or Neowin -its fair to say this went 3 levels above our heads and 2 above IPS.
Neowin and IPS did not have the chance to remove the said content before the provider deleted (access to) the contents of the server without contacting Neowin or IPS. Charles received a copy of the email that Microsoft sent and we can confirm it was a standard "remove content" email that did not warrant a total shutdown.
At the moment we are awaiting a response from the Server provider who at this moment does not seem to understand the extent of this action. We are confident that Microsoft are happy with the removal of the reported post and we have spoken to Microsoft UK who have been willing to investigate the nature of this report. Several sites including ZDNet and Activewin have shown some support and we thank them for informing our userbase of this problem that is as of yet unresolved. "
sounds like it was invision directly, just some ignoramous who jumped the gun. Im sorry to hear that neowin posted some questionable material of this sort, hopefully the admin who mosted it will learn his lesson.
"Yesterday at 12am GMT Neowin was taken offline when our provider received a "Demand for Immediate Takedown" order from a Microsoft contracted company that investigates illegal activity on the Internet for Microsoft. The email was sent to the provider and not to the Server admins that lease the server, IPS or Neowin -its fair to say this went 3 levels above our heads and 2 above IPS.
Neowin and IPS did not have the chance to remove the said content before the provider deleted (access to) the contents of the server without contacting Neowin or IPS. Charles received a copy of the email that Microsoft sent and we can confirm it was a standard "remove content" email that did not warrant a total shutdown.
At the moment we are awaiting a response from the Server provider who at this moment does not seem to understand the extent of this action. We are confident that Microsoft are happy with the removal of the reported post and we have spoken to Microsoft UK who have been willing to investigate the nature of this report. Several sites including ZDNet and Activewin have shown some support and we thank them for informing our userbase of this problem that is as of yet unresolved. "
sounds like it was invision directly, just some ignoramous who jumped the gun. Im sorry to hear that neowin posted some questionable material of this sort, hopefully the admin who mosted it will learn his lesson.
David3k
Reply #13 Friday, March 7, 2003 3:09 PM
Reply #13 Friday, March 7, 2003 3:09 PM
You have to understand that the only thing microsoft does not like @ neowin is the fact the they post info on how to get EXCLUSIVE beta builds. But otherwise, MS finds neowin to be very useful, and MS will NOT shutdown useful sites without reason.
WolfwoodX
Reply #14 Friday, March 7, 2003 3:51 PM
Reply #14 Friday, March 7, 2003 3:51 PM
Slashdot and OS news do it too. And if they get notified also, you can alwase go on IRC and find exclusive beta builds out the ying yang.
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Reply #1 Friday, March 7, 2003 9:30 AM
Hopefully they will learn their lesson from all this.
Don't get me wrong I love the site but they go to far sometimes.