Once again you bring race into this.  I'm calling 4 congressman liars.  You sir, are with the likes of Al Sharpton.

They cannot prove their allegations no more than you can.  They are liars.

You have no idea what was directed at whom.  Maybe your kool-aid is getting low.

Govenment regulation has been the cause of so many catesprophes there isn't enough space to list them.  The private sector surely can't go without fault, but your "not enough regulation" crap is pure liberal talking points. But hey, you have fun with your blogspot blogs.  Silliness.

If it was left to your, nobody could sneeze without the permission or regulation of the government.

To borrow from Mumble's repertoire of tactics, Krugman is a cretin.

Since this is all about pot-stirring, here's some happy news.  Wonder if knowing this a week ago would have made any difference.

The meat:

I would say a hypocritical cretin.  Anyone who can run Enron into the ground and then blame someone else for it, is a hypocrite.

Too late, Mr. Mumble has already declared it not as bad as Reagan and Bush.

"You have no idea what was directed at whom. Maybe your kool-aid is getting low."

Lie again why don't you.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman.

In early 1999, Krugman served on an advisory panel (including Larry Lindsey and Robert Zoellick) that offered Enron executives briefings on economic and political issues. He resigned from the panel in the fall of 1999 to comply with New York Times rules regarding conflicts of interest, when he accepted the Times's offer to become an op-ed columnist. Krugman later stated that he was paid $37,500 (not $50,000 as often reported - his early resignation cost him part of his fee), and that, for consulting that required him to spend four days in Houston, the fee was "rather low compared with my usual rates", which were around $20,000 for a one-hour speech. He also stated that the advisory panel "had no function that I was aware of", and that he later interpreted his role as being "just another brick in the wall" Enron used to build an image.

Of course if the oped was by Ken Lay you'd be all over that like white on rice.

I swear it's like dealing with children, these progressive are.

Mumblefutz quote:

With the quote being:

Which was directed at the other angry person in this thread. 

Liar - Someone who makes racial allegations with no proof.

Heck that's no big deal, we could pay that off tomorrow. I have that much in my checking account earning 0.1% interest. I can send them a certified check today if they ask for it. Can you?

Hell I'll even be magnanimous and be happy to pay the family rate even though that screws me somewhat. How about it? We're all so concerned about the debt, let's just all send in a check today and be done with it.

$72,000 would be worth it to not have to listen to your whining.

Would that be the same Wiki that William Connally so famously edited?  Hmm, CNN seems to think $50,000, as did the IRS.  But then I guess if you can pencil whip the MWP on Wiki, you can pencil whip a measly $50,000

And for just 4 days!  My my, NO ONE would sell their soul for what amounts to $2000/hour.  of course not!  Such integrity coming from someone who cant even spell the word.

BOY!  A sucker born every minute.

Yep, nothing new here.

As far as Krugman, I won't quibble the measly $13,500 difference so if you prefer $50,000 then I'll stipulate to that.

Now if you want to claim that either of those figures are enough to buy a fluff article on the company, then fine, that's not an unreasonable statement. However that's not what you said, you said:

That is what seemed to me to be a most impressive claim. That Krugman and his lousy $50K in a simple advisory role brought down a $100 *billion* dollar company, or at least that was it's valuation in 2000; 1 year *after* Krugman disassociated himself from Enron.

All hat & no cattle.

I'll make it easy for you, Mumbles: Can anyone show me a "Truth telling Politcian" list? LOL!

As long as they can preen, strut and lie with impunity, we're the victims.

As WG said, "When will America wake up and get it's head out of it's ass?"

Don't tell me that you couldn't write a $72,000 check on a day's notice.

I just get real tired of hearing people that are obviously well established in reasonably well paying professions always crying poor mouth about how much taxes they're paying.

Last year I earned $180,000 in salary and another $30,000 or so in interest income although most of that was from tax free municipal bonds. I pay $19,200 in medical insurance which is pretax money along with about $15,000 into a 401K. My total Federal taxes were about $28,000 and my state taxes were another $8,000.

All told besides my 401K, which I don't consider to be "real" money, I'm able to save well in excess of $80,000 of after tax money per year. I certainly don't feel overtaxed and I certainly don't feel sorry for anyone that makes anywhere near the amount of money I make and I have even less sympathy for people that make more than I do crying about how much taxes they pay.

You could realistically double my taxes and it wouldn't really change my lifestyle in the least. Of course I don't drive an expensive car nor do I own a McMansion. I'm perfectly happy with my 10 year old Impala and my wife's 2 year old Impala. And I simply rent a townhouse and a pair of garages because I believe real estate in Concord, Massahussetts to be a bad investment. I used to own a house in Andover, MA but I sold it and will buy a new one in a lower cost of living area once I retire.

I'm far more concerned about the middle class family that's trying to make it on two $30K incomes that live in a reasonably high cost of living area of the country. *Their* taxes can make the difference between making it and not. It's people like this that deserve the tax relief not people concerned about the highest marginal tax rate that only comes into play for earnings over $373,651 a year.

1,000% correct. Good for you... You've mirrored my sentiments precisely.

What makes you tired is your problem.  Please find the post where I complained about the taxes I'm paying.  How you make your money, what you make, and what you do with it is your business & I wish you well.  The same should apply to everyone else.  Neither of us has any business telling the other how to live.

Secondly please tell me which reply *isn't* one way or another a complaint about taxes and how much you (all) begrudge paying taxes that get spent on people that you consider to be undeserving because they are poor and you and those like you believe that the only reason someone is poor is because they are stupid, lazy or both.

You complain about the deficit and the debt. Why? Well you didn't complain about those things when Bush was in office and so it's safe to conclude that you're fine spending government money as long as it's spent giving the richest Americans tax breaks, or if it's spent on wars, or if it's spent on corporate welfare. It's only when a democrat gets elected and decides that money needs to be spent trying to help people survive the worst depression since the great depression and recover from a banking debacle that is a direct result of the elimination of financial regulation as is so favored by laissez faire capitalism and the "greed is good" crowd. And cut the crap about "I'm a conservative, not a Republican" it's just semantics.

In reality all this liberal and conservative nonsense is total bull. It's really all about the "haves" and the "have-nots" and the problem as I see it is that the "haves" have somehow deluded a significant portion of the "have-nots" to vote against their own best interests and for the interests of people that really could not care less about them.

Whether they've been able to do this because they've staked out "moral values" as one of their core beliefs or by dangling the brass ring just tantalizing out of reach of those so desperate to grab it, it really doesn't matter. The problem is that it's all fake. The neocon elite go to church on Sunday just for show but they do their real worshiping in the bank come Monday morning. What could be better than a religion that tells people not to worry about their lot in life because their true reward comes once they're dead. How convenient. They laugh all the way to the bank over that one.

And while I have been able to scrape through my life and have managed towards the end of it to come close to financial security, I am by no means deluded that I am in any way rich. $2,000,000 isn't rich. It's enough to be financially secure for the rest of my life as long as I'm careful, but hardly rich. I'm just a little bit luckier than the next guy. I was lucky enough to be born smart enough to get into MIT and to be born into a family that could afford to send me there. There was certainly work involved but to pretend there is no luck in someone's high position in life is disingenuous. I look around everyday and think there but for the grace of god go I. I'm no better than an 18th century russian peasant. A *lucky* russian peasant but a peasant nonetheless.

The middle class of this country has intentionally been targeted for elimination. All the decent paying middle class jobs have been outsourced. A lucky few escape while the rest get beaten down closer and closer to being truly poor.

This is the real source of the anger behind the tea party folks. Except the problem is that they've been convinced that they are worse off than they used to be not because of the elimination of decent manufacturing jobs for lower paying service jobs and that this has been done intentionally by the monied elite, but because they pay too much taxes and because of reverse discrimination that gives their jobs to minorities or illegal immigrants or because the poor are draining society by being on the dole.

In other words the rich have divided and conquered those below them by telling the middle class that it's the fault of the poor that they're losing ground and if only we could eliminate all these entitlements then everyone would be happy except of course the true poor who will simply die quicker once all support has been eliminated. However once the middle class has been beaten down to the poverty level what then? Who's left to blame? By then things will be more clear and there will be two sides. The side that holds the handle of the machete and the side that is the target of the blade.

I for one will do my best to be on the side of those who hold the handle.

IMO this should be prosecuted as conspiracy to commit a hate crime - I consider knowingly giving false accusations of a hate crime to be a hate crime itself. Filing a false police report is a crime, and it was certainly committed against a group based solely on their political beliefs.

Congressmen or not, four people making the same false report makes a conspiracy, and the rally was filmed by multiple people from multiple angles. If even ONE instance of an N or F word showed up in any of them, we'd be seeing it all over youtube. Two of the staffers with the Congressmen were taping the incident, almost as if they were expecting such slurs to appear. Either we're to believe that *nobody* managed to record the slurs, or that the slurs never happened and the congreessmen in question went ahead with their preplanned publicity stunt.

Now, to go on to things that actually ARE hate crimes. In your opinion, should Francois Houle be prosecuted for the Ottowa incident? It's pretty obvious Ann Coulter thinks so, but that could easily be sarcasm. Houle's behavior clearly fits the Canadian definition of a hate crime, the question is whether anyone has the balls to prosecute a liberal for a hate crime, which is the sort of activity only conservatives engage in. Hell, most of them will say that it's the ONLY activity conservatives engage in.

**Disclaimer, before Mumble goes balistic: I do not support most things Coulter says, nor do I pay any attention to her work. This came to my attention entirely through third and fourth hand sources.

And that, my friends, is what yer 700 billion+ war fund is for.... or should that be called a 'culling' fund???

If anyone can profit from war, don't worry about the casualties, it's the US Government.  It is still 'owed?' billions in war debts and war reparations from WWII... by Japan, Germany, Britain, Australia and other nations.

What really confounds me is that the horrors and expenses of WWI; WWI; Vietnam; Korea; Panama and Iraq seem almost acceptable to the US (well many in it)... like collateral damage, yet to propose a universal health fund is a no no and even considered criminal.  To me, there's some pretty fucked priorities there.