rating system

Monday, February 8, 2010 by Vampothika | Discussion: WinCustomize 2011 Feedback

i still think the rating system should be scrapped (as it was said it was going to be) because its just being abused currently by people who get their sick thrills out of downgrading skin ratings.........

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HG_Eliminator
Reply #21 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:38 PM

That certainly would put some responsibility on the shoulders of the people doing the rating! (and it would be a lot easier to disregard the drive-bys).

i second this, this would deffinatley stop the 'snipers'

 

Possibly, but then folks could not truely vote on a skin without fear of reprisal, ( XX vote's one of yy's skins a 6 because of some technical merit, so xx thought it deserved a 6,  unpon seeng XX's rating on their skin yy gets mad because they felt the skin deserved a 9, yy then goes over to xx's latest skin and votes out of anger, now the fight is on. Now XX fears voting his conscience and rating on its actual merits but instead votes high to keep from getting slammed in return or so his skins will get high ratings in return.) So why not just give everyone 10's and be done with it?

 

Any concerns about a skins recent rating's can be brought to the attention of the WC staff, it will be looked in to and if foul play is at hand it will dealt with accordingly..

 

k10w3
Reply #22 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:02 PM

LightStar
Easy resolve... totally ignore the ratings like I do.  They are useless and mean nothing to a true skinner...Guess I had better define "true skinner" so no one takes offense.  Merely means someone who skins to please themelves and to heck with every one else.


If that's true (that you skin for yourself and the heck with every one else), then why upload?  What's the point?  You've skinned for yourself, you have the skin on your hard drive...why make it available for others? 

Any concerns about a skins recent rating's can be brought to the attention of the WC staff, it will be looked in to and if foul play is at hand it will dealt with accordingly.


And risk being accused of being a whiner, not being adult enough to handle the heat, or "just being paranoid"?  Those are all worse accusations than an unfairly rated skin in my opinion.  A poorly rated skin will go away...a reputation in the community (as I'm discovering) is pretty much for life, and it SURE won't help in getting promoted, now, will it?

I don't mean any of this to come off as being bitchy.  I'm being completely honest and intellectual when it comes to this issue, because as I've said, I had an "epiphany" this week...something that sort of shook me in the reasons for all this...stuff...this "being part of the community," and I'd like to put my skinning feet, philosophically speaking, back on solid ground.

frankell
Reply #23 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:59 PM

 

Possibly, but then folks could not truely vote on a skin without fear of reprisal

... ok for the anonymity but what about to have the total count of how many persons voted and even better the specific number of who voted 5 stars \ 4 stars \ 3 stars etc.

it will be just few lines more respect the usual 1 line of the average count !

easy to say but I don't know if it's also easy to realize for a good site developer !

 

 

k10w3
Reply #24 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:20 PM

HG_Eliminator

Possibly, but then folks could not truely vote on a skin without fear of reprisal, ( XX vote's one of yy's skins a 6 because of some technical merit, so xx thought it deserved a 6,  unpon seeng XX's rating on their skin yy gets mad because they felt the skin deserved a 9, yy then goes over to xx's latest skin and votes out of anger, now the fight is on. Now XX fears voting his conscience and rating on its actual merits but instead votes high to keep from getting slammed in return or so his skins will get high ratings in return.)


If XX votes a 6 on YY's skin because of technical merit, then XX shouldn't be afraid to tell YY about the technical merit -- YY is NEVER going to know what's wrong with the skin to deserve a 6, unless XX tells them. 

Why would XX feel entitled to rate a skin a 6 without backing that up with a quantifiable cause?  And if XX feels inclined enough to vote in the first place, then taking the effort to explain WHY they voted in a certain way is the responsible thing to do.

WOM
Reply #25 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:44 PM

There have been plenty of people that think they were being screwed over and asked a mod to look into it.  Most were right and got it corrected.  Those that were wrong didn't have to wear a sign saying there were a whiner.  Usually the only way the masses know of something is when the person tells them or backs a mod/admin into a corner with false accusations and they voice it.  Think about that.  (they post,  mod told me....... or post part of an email/pm and puts the mod/admin on the spot, so the truth is posted).  Its happened.  mods see tons of skins in all the different catagories.  All being equal, which stands out?  Which deserves a higher rating?  Does the mod open the skin up to see all the coding?  No.  They apply it, check it out, if it works it gets passed(approved) and the mod gives it a rating.  How many are perfect?  A 10 rating.  Damn few.

HG_Eliminator
Reply #26 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:15 PM

Why would XX feel entitled to rate a skin a 6 without backing that up with a quantifiable cause? And if XX feels inclined enough to vote in the first place, then taking the effort to explain WHY they voted in a certain way is the responsible thing to do.

 

what if xx didnt feel like taking the time to explain, or did not have the time to post a long explination, or maybe they just dont like the look. I do not see the benefits of public ratings. * other than to satisfy peoples curiosities.** Should we make folks only be able to rate if they post a reason? You suppose that it would end drive by ratings? or would it just give the casual user one less reason to rate skins.

Keeping some things behind the scenes for a reason is IMO quite wise.. so queries and accusations are dealt with discretly and to avoid public embarasment for all parties involved.

Jafo
Reply #27 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:23 PM

And risk being accused of being a whiner, not being adult enough to handle the heat, or "just being paranoid"? Those are all worse accusations than an unfairly rated skin in my opinion. A poorly rated skin will go away...a reputation in the community (as I'm discovering) is pretty much for life, and it SURE won't help in getting promoted, now, will it?

In the past there have been a few people who demonstrated genuine paranoia when it came to ratings.  One or two infrequent approaches to staff re suspect drive-bys, etc is fine.....some actually made a career out of it so the title of 'paranoid' would be quite valid....

In reality, though, whatever is suggested is done so in private so there is no public 'accusation' or impact on a person's reputation, and in no way affects a person's prospects of promotion...after all, queries re ratings come from ALL levels....from Citizen all the way to the top....

 

k10w3
Reply #28 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:42 PM

You suppose that it would end drive by ratings?


It would do more than end drive by ratings -- it would help skinners learn from their mistakes; it would give them a direction to go to improve.  It would be guidance, a purpose, a reason, rather than meaningless disappointment in the dark, with no indication of which way to go to find the light!

Right now, what you're proposing is protection of anonymous critics, at the expense of the skinner.  How is that good for skinning?

HG_Eliminator
Reply #29 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:54 PM

Right now, what you're proposing is protection of anonymous critics, at the expense of the skinner. How is that good for skinning?

 

It is not proposed,it is in effect, and has been since it's inception. Yet  WC has still grown to be the largest and most compehensive skinning site around with a wonderful world class community to match.. I dont see the harm it has caused yet. Nor see it's detrimental impact to the skinning community.

 

 

Philly0381
Reply #30 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:54 PM

I'm not a skinner, but don't you folks communicate back and forth when one is working on a project or finishes it and you want to give them comments.  Somehow I can't see a skinner using only feedback on the skins download page as the basis for judgeting how their follow skinners like or dislike their work. 

Am I just not seeing the forest because of the trees that are in the way? 

 

k10w3
Reply #31 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:21 PM

Philly0381
I'm not a skinner, but don't you folks communicate back and forth when one is working on a project or finishes it and you want to give them comments.  Somehow I can't see a skinner using only feedback on the skins download page as the basis for judgeting how their follow skinners like or dislike their work. 

Am I just not seeing the forest because of the trees that are in the way? 

 


I can only vouch for my own experiences -- I've used the WIP threads to get feedback, and pretty much all of it was very positive, but then when I uploaded, the ratings told a different story, so I have ceased to post my works in progress, so that there wasn't a build up of expectation that would get dashed to pieces when the actual unveiling took place.

Jafo
Reply #32 Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:05 PM

I can only vouch for my own experiences -- I've used the WIP threads to get feedback, and pretty much all of it was very positive, but then when I uploaded, the ratings told a different story, so I have ceased to post my works in progress, so that there wasn't a build up of expectation that would get dashed to pieces when the actual unveiling took place.

Often WIP threads and the like will attract a skinner's fans/followers [the author/nick of the OP attracts the interest] so subsequent critique can be somewhat 'rose-coloured'.  When the skin is out in 'the wild' you will attract public users [who may never comment on the Forums at all] whose personal taste/opinion may be profoundly different.

There is a very real trend....I've seen it since day one...in the skin comments.  Almost invariably the first comments will be "wow, cool skin...well done" [fan] but after the first few/half-dozen/page there will be "this effing thing is crap it doesn't even work properly".  This is a perfect example of how a 'fan' can be less than useful/constructive.  The question it raises is..."did these 'fans' even try the skin....how did it not not work for them?"

Often there will be 'trends' in ratings.... where a rating is applied not because of what...but because of who.  This is typically either overly high...or overly low. [fan/non-fan].  Mostly that all balances out over time.  If it doesn't then we look into it and check for trends [eg. drive-by].  Almost always one person will rate another's work with a spread of ratings....indicating merit, not person.  If all of a person's ratings indicate foul play they get a 'please explain'....usually from me.

In reality, over more recent times, I have seen very little issues with skin ratings at all....so few that the issue isn't one at all...

MouseGoddess
Reply #33 Friday, February 12, 2010 7:55 PM

Could they fix it so the mods rating is the minimum and it could only be rated "up"?

gmc2
Reply #34 Friday, February 12, 2010 8:30 PM

umm, beauty is in the eye of the beholder with a little subjective consideration thrown in. Technical merit aside, even the mods initial rating is partly based on their subjective opinion of the submission. I don't think I need to qualify a reason for giving an 8 rated blind only one star, maybe I just didn't like the color. IMHO, a really good blind is only worth 4 stars, 5 stars are reserved for those that are a step above the rest.

oh and, JTOL, if there are people abusing the process they might be in violation of the TOS, that being the case shouldn't this have been handled with a PM to the mods???

Vampothika
Reply #35 Friday, February 12, 2010 8:40 PM

oh and, JTOL, if there are people abusing the process they might be in violation of the TOS, that being the case shouldn't this have been handled with a PM to the mods???

nope cause I dont have a case to complain about, im just asking if its still gonna get scrapped like I thought it was.

gmc2
Reply #36 Friday, February 12, 2010 9:34 PM

Vampothika

oh and, JTOL, if there are people abusing the process they might be in violation of the TOS, that being the case shouldn't this have been handled with a PM to the mods???


nope cause I dont have a case to complain about, im just asking if its still gonna get scrapped like I thought it was.

you did say, "because its just being abused currently by people who get their sick thrills out of downgrading skin ratings........."

if that's the case....

k10w3
Reply #37 Friday, February 12, 2010 9:50 PM


you did say, "because its just being abused currently by people who get their sick thrills out of downgrading skin ratings........."

if that's the case....


Look -- some are abusing the current system; down-rating a skin will lead to less downloads, because some people filter by ratings, but the powers that be have decided it's going to stay as it is.  Those of us who were not pleased with the current system, will just "get over it" -- nuff said?

PoSmedley
Reply #38 Friday, February 12, 2010 10:03 PM

will just "get over it" -- nuff said?

me-OW!

k10w3
Reply #39 Friday, February 12, 2010 10:06 PM

PoSmedley

will just "get over it" -- nuff said?
me-OW!


I'm sorry...sometimes I channel my mother without even knowing it.

Jafo
Reply #40 Friday, February 12, 2010 10:50 PM

but the powers that be have decided it's going to stay as it is.

Says who?

That has by no means been written in stone.....anywhere.

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