Website subscriptions: Wave of the future or bad idea?

Tuesday, May 28, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

The Internet is changing and in some ways it's for the better and some ways it's for the worse. If you're like me, you have this nightmare scenario where the net becomes a massive nickle and diming excercise where every site is demanding money from you when they used to be free. I pay $40+ per month for my net connection, now I'm expected to pay a bunch of money for the websites I visit that used to be free?

What I predict we'll eventually see are metaservices in which users subscribe to "web content" for $9.95 per month. They get to pick 20 sites that the metaservice has agreements with to be subscribers to. So on the good news side, I don't think we're going to see a scenario where users are going to be paying $50 per month to access sites. The bad news is that I think the days of the free net are going away unless some other mechanism can be found to pay for the cost of websites. Advertising doesn't work very well (regular TV model). The alternative that's proven successful is subscriptions.

One of the things I've seen from many sites is that they start taking away features and then asking for considerable amounts of money in exchange for what they used to get for free. This is problematic because it really poisons the user base. I mean really, how can you go from being a free site to asking for $10 per month? Or how about this, how can you go from being a free site to suddenly taking away half the features of the site to those who don't pay? I know that really irks me and makes me less inclined to subscribe to a site. I want to subscribe to sites to help them. I might be inclined to subscribe to sites if they offer additional goodies for me. But I don't want to feel like I'm forced to subscribe.

I do think that subscriptiosn are the wave of the future. I just think that sites need to be careful about how they go about them. The amount they charge should be based on how much money the site needs per month / how many people they hope to subscribe.

Let's use WinCustomize as an example:

Most sites don't give away financial data but we're pretty open about things around here. WinCustomize costs about $150,000 per year. It would cost dramatically more if it weren't for the volunteers who moderate the site. Add another $10,000 per year in misc costs and $10,000 as a "savings account" for future expansion and you're at $180,000 at what the site needs to generate each year to be an independent viable entity. That's actually amazingly cheap. Consider all those dot-coms out there that burned through millions per month and had websites not nearly as popular as this one. When Pets.com went down, they had fewer registered users than WinCustomize has today and vastly last traffic. Yet they went through hundreds of millions of dollars (while for us, $1 million in venture capital would last FIVE years). Anyway, bottom line, $15,000 per month in costs.

Next, how many people should a site hope to subscribe? What percentage? This is a real tough one because it is tough to measure the likelyhood of people subscribing. This website gets over 35,000 unique visitors per day. That's why it takes the equivalent of 14 T1's to handle the traffic. There is little information on these people.
Let's use April's data though. In April, this site got about 1.2 million visitors. Of those visitors, around 14,000 of them visited the site over 100 times (over 3 times per day). So in my view, those people would be the ones most likely to subscribe. Most people only visit a site one time per month, it's "the regulars" that have to be the focus. So what percentage of that 14,000 who use the site on a constant basis should the site hope to make subscribers? And remember, it's not 14,000 different subscribers per month. In January through April, there were 65,000 unique people who visited the site over 100 times. So you have to be careful about thinking that you only need $15,000 to be handled by 14,000 people because that's only one month.

For math purposes, I'm going to extrapolate out the data and say that during the course of a year, there are about 100,000 unique people who during various parts of the year are heavy users. 100,000 hard core regulars during the course of the year.

So if you need $180,000 then how many of the 100,000 people do you need to pay $20? You need 9,000 subscriptions which means nearly 10% of the regulars would have to become subscribers. You see the problem? Not gonna happen. No way. A better goal would be 3% of regulars but that's only 3,000 X $20 which is only a third needed. It won't even pay the bandwidth. Big sites like Gamespot recognize this. This is why they start getting into punitive systems. But can it really work? If you get too punitive, people just won't visit.

A possible solution is to focus more on special features that become quickly apparent to more casual users. Then instead of having to focus on taht 15,000 hard core users, you can target the 500,000 people each year who visit the site on a daily basis during various parts of the year. 2% of them is 10,000 people and voila, you're in better shape. The challenge then lies in creating features that are apparent to all users but don't clutter up the site or frustrate people. That's the challenge we face here at WinCustomize. Right now, WinCustomize is financed by Stardock which means it's viable as long as programs like WindowBlinds and Object Desktop do well. But I think most users would be more comfortable if the site were able to sustain itself.

What's your take on all this? What do you think needs to happen? How do you think things will progress?
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Frogboy
Reply #21 Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:17 PM
Similarly, I don''t see how skin authors think that they are doing the site a favor by allowing the site to HOST the skins. A site can link to skins with impunity as is.

Let''s say Skinner X gets ticked off and deletes their skin off of site Y. Site Y could just link to the skin that is on site Z and still get the same banefit without the bandwidth. I would consider such a practice rude but it''s not illegal (other sites do that to WinCustomize ALL the time now and Talisman does this to all the sites).

Bandwidth isn''t free. Someone has to pay for it. My view is that the people who use the bandwidth should pay for it. But I''m just crazy that way.
paxx
Reply #22 Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:00 PM
OK, a few comments:

$15,000 per month is enormous and Wincustomize should strive to try to add a little bit of revenues to help pay the bills. But as it is now, this is Stardock''s site. They run it, control it, add or remove the features they want, and pay the bill. I''m fine with it: Stardock pays, Stardock controls. It''s only fair. But, if the goal of Wincustomize should ever be to become completely independant financially, then Stardock would lose all influence, or all the right to have any influence on this site...
Is that what Stardock would wish? I don''t think so.

I''m thinking aloud here. How many Object Desktop subscription does $15,000/month represent? 300. I''m wondering if Wincustomize brings 300 new subscription every month? Considering the 35,000 unique visitors, it''s not an impossible thought.

Anyway. Back to the topic. In reality, my belief is that Stardock indeed gets some subscriptions out of this site, but not enough to cover all the expenses, therefore the need for Wincustomize to find other avenues of income. Here is an idea of how subscriptions could work:
1) everybody can access this site and downlaod a whole bunch of stuff for free, up to a maximum of 50 Megs (that''s a lot of skins!)
2) Everybody can get unlimited downloads if they contribute to the site. Contributions can be financial (20$ year) of non-financial (make skins and upload them here)
Sounds fair to me and everybody gains from it.


Now, a note about the general idea of subscriptions on the Internet: I will never ever ever ever pay for any content on the Internet. I may contribute, do some work for free to help out, etc. But otherwise, no way. Unless maybe I win the lotery.

Only exception: sites providing content that I already pay for. For example movies, records, books... When the day comes where I can rent my movies, buy my music and my books online, then for sure I''ll pay. But it''s be more a pay-per-download thing than a subscription.
Frogboy
Reply #23 Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:08 PM
Paxx: The stats are pretty clear. People come to this site FROM Stardock not vice versa.

People assume we have to host skins. We don''t.

The only way this site won''t have Stardock influence is if non-Stardock resources are used to make it financially independent.

The skin browser, for instance, is developed by Stardock. The core IT development is done by Stardock. If the site is able to break even via subscriptions, it''s not going to be any more or less influenced by Stardock.

Someone has to call the shots. There has to be someone who has the final say. I''m not sure what exactly you envision. Let''s say deviantART''s picture prints and such were able to make the site financially independent. Does that mean Jark would lose all influence? No. Now, if some third party wanted to offer a huge sum of money in exchange for a say on how the site is, that would be one thing.

As is, users have a great deal of influence on the site. Admins have a lot of say on hwo the site is run. They may not always realize it but they do.
Frogboy
Reply #24 Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:10 PM
Another way of looking at it, influence on a given thing is determined by who''s spending the money on that thing.

As long as Stardock is the one spending the $$$ on the site, it''s going to have a preponderance of "influence" regardless of whether the site is able to generate revenue or not.
paxx
Reply #25 Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:24 PM
Yes, but if Wincustomize pays back to Stardock the money Stardock puts into it, then Stardock really just becomes a provider.

Anyway, thats only theoretically speaking cause it won''t happen.
It would be nice to get that 30% revenue you were talking about.
If the site can bring 5,000$ per month, then I would consider it an achievement in itself.
Frogboy
Reply #26 Friday, May 31, 2002 12:00 AM
I think the subscriptions will get to $5k per month.

But getting back to influence, let me use my neighborhood as an example:

Our neighborhood has a community pond. We all pay into the association an equal amount. This spring we began beautifying the pond with plants and other such things. It was a volunteer effort but the association dues paid for the plants.

But who had what influence? Well, the people who actually DID the buying of the plants and the planting of them has a vastly disproportional influence on how the pond got beautified over the rest of the neighborhood. And of course, vastly more influence than people from other neighborhoods.

So using that analogy, the reason why you and the other admins of this site have more say than say Joe user visiting is because you are the ones doing the work. When a wallpaper is submitted, we don''t have all the users of the site vote on whether we keep it or not, we admins decide and more to the point, the admin at the time doing the moderating has more say than another moderator at that time. Stardock has a lot more say on the site not simply because it''s paying the bills but because it''s doing the coding too (primarily T-man but Alexandrie as well).

One of the really funny things is that people vastly overestimate how much influence *I* have. I don''t do the coding so I don''t get to decide all the layout of features and such.

I guess what I''m trying to get at is that in life, the DOers have a lot more say than the WATCHers. The more one DOES the more influence they have.

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