The Skinbrowser is almost here...
Saturday, April 27, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
We haven't come up with a name yet for it. SkinBrowser just seems too generic. We're currently thinking of calling it - WinCustomize! 
The skinbrowser bypasses all the HTML stuff and goes directly to the underlying database that drives the site. See the screenshot.
The skinbrowser will be available to users who subscribe to WinCustomize. Subscriptions will become available in the next few weeks - $19.95. Not only will users get the skin browser but unlimited downloads, exclusive skin packs, and some surprises we're working on that won't be available until later.
If anyone has any thoughts on a proper name for the program (maybe calling it WinCustomize is the way to go, we're not sure), post here.
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shilowalt
Reply #23 Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:27 AM
Reply #23 Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:27 AM
I think that it should be included with ObjectDesktop. But, if it is a faster and better way to view these great freely given skins and is charged for it would be worth it. I do think that it should be an addition for those who want it and not the only way of browsing. So do it but not to the exclusion of this sight.
JanusXP
Reply #24 Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:22 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:22 PM
I believe the problem with including the cost of a subscription to WinCustomize with ObjectDesktop is that not everybody who purchases ObjectDesktop uses WinCustomize, and wouldn't enjoy paying an extra twenty dollars for something they don't use.
WolfwoodX
Reply #25 Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:23 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:23 PM
Ahh, So this is like a program that connects to some server where all the skins are and lets you view and download skins, without going to a website.
Sounds cool, but $19.95 is a bit pricey for something I would use so little.
Logika or SAGE are the only skins I use...
Sounds cool, but $19.95 is a bit pricey for something I would use so little.
Logika or SAGE are the only skins I use...
Frogboy
Reply #26 Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:37 PM
Reply #26 Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:37 PM
The skinbrowser isn't $19.95. The subscription to WC will cost $19.95 per year and this is just one of the benefits of a subscription.
encemo
Reply #27 Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:39 PM
Reply #27 Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:39 PM
La idea es buena,pero es justo cobrar por algo que la gente crea y expone de forma gratuita?
Creo que no es justo,salvo que a los creadores se les pagase por sus creaciones.
Por otro lado pienso que esto de cobrar podria ir encontra vuestra,ya que la gente se iria a otras webs donde se obtuvieran skins gratuitamente.
Saludos desde Spain
Creo que no es justo,salvo que a los creadores se les pagase por sus creaciones.
Por otro lado pienso que esto de cobrar podria ir encontra vuestra,ya que la gente se iria a otras webs donde se obtuvieran skins gratuitamente.
Saludos desde Spain
chichigirl46
Reply #28 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:06 PM
Reply #28 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:06 PM
I agree with Rich..... I'm not happy about this at all 
I purchased Object desktop for $50.00 and still pay $35.00 every year to keep it, and I skin your product for FREE and now because WC bandwidth is costly because of some heavy downloaders, have your Object Desktop subsribers that also skin your products pay for your bandwidth..... some where along the line here us skinners will eventualy leave your product and move on to skinnig other products....... I can see other sites in the community needing money to support their site, they are not selling any programs!!! WC could make this browser income to help pay for the bandwidth without restricting those who skin your programs......This will be the straw that breaks the camels back for me With out us skinners, what product will you have to sell when all of the skinners wise up and stop skinning your product? You can do better than this.......
I purchased Object desktop for $50.00 and still pay $35.00 every year to keep it, and I skin your product for FREE and now because WC bandwidth is costly because of some heavy downloaders, have your Object Desktop subsribers that also skin your products pay for your bandwidth..... some where along the line here us skinners will eventualy leave your product and move on to skinnig other products....... I can see other sites in the community needing money to support their site, they are not selling any programs!!! WC could make this browser income to help pay for the bandwidth without restricting those who skin your programs......This will be the straw that breaks the camels back for me With out us skinners, what product will you have to sell when all of the skinners wise up and stop skinning your product? You can do better than this.......
JanusXP
Reply #29 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:18 PM
Reply #29 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:18 PM
Well, from what I've read, the subscription is optional. Sure, Stardock sells programs, but the money received from Object Desktop goes to continue its development, and Stardock needs funds to support WinCustomize as banner ads lose value. I think it would be a good idea to give skinners a discount, or maybe have a monthly contest for a year's subscription.
By the way, if subscribers will get unlimited downloads, does that mean that there's going to be a limit to the number of skins non-subscribers can download when the subscriptions begin?
By the way, if subscribers will get unlimited downloads, does that mean that there's going to be a limit to the number of skins non-subscribers can download when the subscriptions begin?
Rich
Reply #30 Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:00 PM
Reply #30 Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:00 PM
Well, I for one will be going to other sites for my skins. At least I have all the ones I enjoy, to date, backed up so I don't have to download them again. I'm sure another site will become the defacto place to get skins. I don't think too many folks are going to pay for it. How well is Pixstudio doing at selling skins? That could be a good look at whether it will be succesful or not. I'll probably continue my Object Desktop subscription but I'm not paying for skins. And if it got to the point that I have to pay for skins then I'll just drop OD too.
We'll see how things go. I hope everything works out for all parties because I enjoy having my desktop the way I want it. Although I disagree with this I still think OD is a great product for $50 and you skinners are great artists! Thanks!
We'll see how things go. I hope everything works out for all parties because I enjoy having my desktop the way I want it. Although I disagree with this I still think OD is a great product for $50 and you skinners are great artists! Thanks!
mooshoo
Reply #31 Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:05 PM
Reply #31 Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:05 PM
I think some of you are jumping into this a little bit pre-maturely… this is just a benefit of subscribing, never did anyone say it would be the only way of downloading skins nor did they say we would be limited if we didn't subscribe. Yes, if it is true that we’d have to subscribe to download or we’d be limited to how much we can download (unless a reasonable number) I agree with it being unfair to the skinners, however no one said this was the case, and I hope it’s not.
Old_Crab
Reply #32 Monday, April 29, 2002 3:27 AM
Reply #32 Monday, April 29, 2002 3:27 AM
I bought Object Desktop for $50. Before I bought WB for $20. A TShirt $15. A pretty GUI is nice. But I'm thinking its about time to stop and go back to a plain standard Interface and get some work done on other things. Oh and do all those who work hard on their skins get a cut of the action or as we in Houston Texas call it not are we being ENRONed?
brindlethedog
Reply #34 Monday, April 29, 2002 1:24 PM
Reply #34 Monday, April 29, 2002 1:24 PM
quite frankly if ppl have to pay to download skins it will kill skinning and we'll all have to use BGs idea of what we want from an interface
brindlethedog
Reply #35 Monday, April 29, 2002 1:53 PM
Reply #35 Monday, April 29, 2002 1:53 PM
oh .... and I'm going to download as much as I can while I still can !!
DBS0849
Reply #36 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:12 AM
Reply #36 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:12 AM
more money huh, this is just what I'd expect from this double standard bunch. They can't even update the news on OD for months.
jaydub
Reply #37 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:45 AM
Reply #37 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:45 AM
How about WinCustomize Chameleon
WinChameleon by Wincustomize
Chameleon
the angle here is functionality of changing the sking so something with Chameleon would be appropriate, plus it would be understandable beyond the US.
Just my $0.02 worth
WinChameleon by Wincustomize
Chameleon
the angle here is functionality of changing the sking so something with Chameleon would be appropriate, plus it would be understandable beyond the US.
Just my $0.02 worth
RobbieRobb
Reply #38 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:50 PM
Reply #38 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:50 PM
Where does it say that the ONLY way to d/l from here will be by paying $19.95??? No where! The only thing it says it says is: "Not only will users get the skin browser but unlimited downloads, exclusive skin packs, and some surprises we're working on that won't be available until later."
This doesn't appear to me that WC will start charging for access. It does, however, imply that non-paying members will have some type of restriciton on their d/ls.
Frankly, I don't blame them. You've all read the reports on traffic for this site. I would guess that a HUGE amount of traffic is coming from the non-participating members of this site (those that DON'T skin, those that DON'T participate in the message boards, etc.) Those people are here for one reason and one reason only - to leech skins. This is a topic that has been debated ad nauseum before here - what types of limits will be put in place and for whom will they apply. Before everyone starts jumping on the 'WC is evil' and 'I'll never come here again' bandwagon, how about we let Brad & Co. roll the product out and give some detail on how the program will work before waving goodbye? Then, after hearing EVERYTHING (as opposed to one sentence in a product description) if you still disagree, then by all means, bid adieu. Many of you will be missed (well, the ones that participated that we knew about anyway
) but I assure you, life will go on for everyone involved.
This doesn't appear to me that WC will start charging for access. It does, however, imply that non-paying members will have some type of restriciton on their d/ls.
Frankly, I don't blame them. You've all read the reports on traffic for this site. I would guess that a HUGE amount of traffic is coming from the non-participating members of this site (those that DON'T skin, those that DON'T participate in the message boards, etc.) Those people are here for one reason and one reason only - to leech skins. This is a topic that has been debated ad nauseum before here - what types of limits will be put in place and for whom will they apply. Before everyone starts jumping on the 'WC is evil' and 'I'll never come here again' bandwagon, how about we let Brad & Co. roll the product out and give some detail on how the program will work before waving goodbye? Then, after hearing EVERYTHING (as opposed to one sentence in a product description) if you still disagree, then by all means, bid adieu. Many of you will be missed (well, the ones that participated that we knew about anyway
) but I assure you, life will go on for everyone involved.
JanusXP
Reply #39 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:21 PM
Reply #39 Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:21 PM
I agree with you RobbieRobb. I don't think many people understand that banner ads simply don't work anymore, which is why more and more sites are finding new ways to help pay for their sites, and the subscription model seems rather popular nowadays.
brindlethedog
Reply #40 Thursday, May 2, 2002 3:10 PM
Reply #40 Thursday, May 2, 2002 3:10 PM
eerr RobbieRobb you mention ppl just coming to leech skins and not participating ... but either WC has made a mistake or you havent got any skins listed against your id ... probally just a mistake as nore have I !
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Reply #21 Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:13 AM