America Attacked Aftermath and news
Wednesday, September 12, 2001 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Having been to the World Trade Organization on numerous occasions, I find myself completely stunned by the events. To imagine that gigantic building full of people simply gone is just horrifying.At the same time, the civilized world seems to have come together to join the United States in what may become a coordinated crusade to eradicate terrorism. Such a thing seems impossible but consider this:
If the United States and the world community can retaliate in such sufficient force, then political terrorists will have to weigh their goals versus the inevitable response. History has shown that massive retaliation does work. As barbaric has it has been in history, it was an effective means of keeping terrorism under control. Terrorism has always been with us and will be. But perhaps if the proper response can be achieved, it can be seen in the same light that we see nuclear weapons, that terrorism is so horrible and the consquences of it so painful, that it won't be used as a political tool.
Of course, this all assumes that there was a political ends being sought in some sick way rather than simply pure madness.
NATO has activated article 5. This has never been done. This means that NATO considers what has occurred as an act of war. This means Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc. all consider this attack as an attack on themselves and will respond accordingly. It is unprecedented.
Whoever did this, wherever they are, I do not think they realize the whirlwind they have just sewn.
What do you think?
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TheSkinsFactory
Reply #42 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:40 PM
Reply #42 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:40 PM
i dont agree at all. i know for a fact that americans have acted like the world's police on more than a number of occasions. Granted sometimes it was fo our own agendas but others it was to promote democracy which in my eyes is a righteous and just cause. So no i dont agree with craeonics outlook. I know that we feed money into nations constantly to help out economies on a daily basis.
Frogboy
Reply #43 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:01 PM
Reply #43 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:01 PM
Exactly. When someone in the world is hurt, the US helps. Other countries do as well. But those other countries didn't just have tens of thousands of their citizens murdered.
I have read on some websites on how unspecified "US policies" [that's coward-speak for the fact that the United States supports Israel] have finally cost America some blood on its soil.
There is no moral equivalence here my friends. There is no US policy that can justify the murder of tens of thousands of innocents.
These terrorists didn't attack US bases. They attacked a giant office building during the day.
I have read on some websites on how unspecified "US policies" [that's coward-speak for the fact that the United States supports Israel] have finally cost America some blood on its soil.
There is no moral equivalence here my friends. There is no US policy that can justify the murder of tens of thousands of innocents.
These terrorists didn't attack US bases. They attacked a giant office building during the day.
Grog
Reply #44 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:52 PM
Reply #44 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:52 PM
I have received this E-Mail several times today and as you read it you will understand why. Please take the time to read it, I have several times. You can read some info on the author at this Link.
http://www.who2.com/gordonsinclair.html
I find it hard to believe that it is from 1973, I at first thought it was written yesterday.
TRIBUTE TO AMERICA
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rta/ccf/news/unique/am_text.html
http://www.who2.com/gordonsinclair.html
I find it hard to believe that it is from 1973, I at first thought it was written yesterday.
TRIBUTE TO AMERICA
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rta/ccf/news/unique/am_text.html
mariuss
Reply #45 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:57 PM
Reply #45 Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:57 PM
Reading all these postings I am shocked, I think that the mentality of the people posting here is a bigger tragedy than what happened in New York.
Most of you seem to believe in violence and that this is the answer. Guess what, this is exactly what the terrorist believe in as well. How are you any different?
Some while ago I heard somebody saying that if you want to change the world you have to start by changing your self. Nothing new, but so true.
When you saw those palestinians celebrating destruction and death you were looking into the mirror. You do the very same thing, you are all happy and excited that some more people will be killed in Afghanistan.
Many of you seem to have an extremely violent nature, mix this with religion and you are exactly like one of those hijackers.
You are all angry that thousand of americans died, actually there were thousands of people dying. If you care more about the fact that they were people then you would ask for less violence, but if you care more about the fact that they were americans then you would ask for violence against non-americans. Who cares if they were americans, british or russians, they were human beings!
Here is some reading for you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551086,00.html
Please don't reply to this today, get some sleep, think, and then do it.
Most of you seem to believe in violence and that this is the answer. Guess what, this is exactly what the terrorist believe in as well. How are you any different?
Some while ago I heard somebody saying that if you want to change the world you have to start by changing your self. Nothing new, but so true.
When you saw those palestinians celebrating destruction and death you were looking into the mirror. You do the very same thing, you are all happy and excited that some more people will be killed in Afghanistan.
Many of you seem to have an extremely violent nature, mix this with religion and you are exactly like one of those hijackers.
You are all angry that thousand of americans died, actually there were thousands of people dying. If you care more about the fact that they were people then you would ask for less violence, but if you care more about the fact that they were americans then you would ask for violence against non-americans. Who cares if they were americans, british or russians, they were human beings!
Here is some reading for you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551086,00.html
Please don't reply to this today, get some sleep, think, and then do it.
mariuss
Reply #46 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:01 PM
Reply #46 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:01 PM
To get the article mentioned above get:
/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551086,00.html
from www.guardian.co.uk
There seems to be a bug in your system that truncates URLs with commas inside.
/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551086,00.html
from www.guardian.co.uk
There seems to be a bug in your system that truncates URLs with commas inside.
Grog
Reply #47 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:01 PM
Reply #47 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:01 PM
I guess that I should have looked on the Board first before making my above post, but the sentiment still stands.
paxx
Reply #48 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:16 PM
Reply #48 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:16 PM
I'm not gonna say it. My thoughs didn't make it through my own "Don't say that Paxx" filter.
Let's just say that it sometimes is impossible to see the forest when you got your nose against the tree.
Let's just say that it sometimes is impossible to see the forest when you got your nose against the tree.
Frogboy
Reply #49 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:53 PM
Reply #49 Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:53 PM
I didn't notice anyone advocating arbitrarliy murdering tens of thousands of innocents, mariuss.
TheSkinsFactory
Reply #50 Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:11 PM
Reply #50 Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:11 PM
I didnt either. But we will be at war by the end of the month and i will firmly support any military action. I do believe in an eye for an eye especially if it means preventing future atrocities. They just found more terrorists with pilot's licenses. A senator said it best in my eyes when he said "god may have mercy, but we will not." I want justice for my country and for the lives lost. and Sorry mariuss but taking these people to court just dont cut it with me.
paxx
Reply #51 Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:52 PM
Reply #51 Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:52 PM
Well, someone, here or in another thread, talked about "massive retaliation" and something like global warfare in the middle-east in order to erradicate terrorism for ever. To me, that sounds very much like "arbitrarely murdering tens of thousands of innocents".
Whats the difference between that and terrorism?
Whats the difference between that and terrorism?
paxx
Reply #52 Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 PM
Reply #52 Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 PM
To me, sending the troops and the bombs in not the solution.
The best way to get ben Laden is to send your spies to infiltrate his network, or pay an assassin. You know he's hiding in the mountains as we speak and no plane or tank can get to him.
The best way to get ben Laden is to send your spies to infiltrate his network, or pay an assassin. You know he's hiding in the mountains as we speak and no plane or tank can get to him.
Frogboy
Reply #53 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:18 PM
Reply #53 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:18 PM
This is war Paxx, not a law enforcement issue.
Most everyday Germans and Japanese in 1944 were probably good people. But many suffered. But not arbitrarily.
Most everyday Germans and Japanese in 1944 were probably good people. But many suffered. But not arbitrarily.
TheSkinsFactory
Reply #54 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:19 PM
Reply #54 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:19 PM
If you kill one dictator or terrorist another will simply take his place. The saying "if you cut the head off the body will die" is relavent. If you simply kill just Bin Laden then another person will take his place. By going after the government that supports the terrorists then we will in essence be cuttin off "the head." Or at least one of the main heads.
TheSkinsFactory
Reply #55 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:20 PM
Reply #55 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:20 PM
BTW frogboy that picture of the eagle is powerful and on my desktop.
Old_Crab
Reply #56 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:12 AM
Reply #56 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:12 AM
One mans terrorist is often anothers hero. 1776 the British called Colonials terrorists. The Israelies before 1949 often used terrorist tactics against the Occuppying powers. Terrorism is often called the only weapon a poor nation has against a rich nation. This all sounds cruel but this is the way it is in our world. Most of the young people who are terrorist are deluded into this type of action by their leaders who stay safely behind the lines. They have very little to look forward too and can be manipulated into such actions by believing they can do some good for their own people. No I will not hate these people but I do believe that justice should be served. The British have a neat little contraption named the "Gibbet" that could be useful for the likes of Bin Landan. Anyway - may God,Jesus,Allah,Muhhamad,Confuscious,Budda, Keep us safe from each other. I believe they all are shedding a tear of two tonight.
Brendan Starr
Reply #57 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:30 AM
Reply #57 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:30 AM
I live in Australia. I woke up at 7am Wednesday morning (about 5pm Tuesday in the US) to find that every channel had "America Under Attack" on it. I was absolutely shocked that a terrorist attack of that magnitude could ever happen in the United States, and especially on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. I just hope that the sick people who did this (I think bin Laden) get what they deserve, even if it means war. And if it does, we Aussies will be side by side with the Americans. God bless the victims of this tragedy.
Jafo
Reply #58 Friday, September 14, 2001 3:20 AM
Reply #58 Friday, September 14, 2001 3:20 AM
Issues of world politics and agenda and culpability are too complex to be appropriately debated on a website forum.
My simple comment is.......
I am a human being, as are these terrorists.
Of that, I am ashamed.
My simple comment is.......
I am a human being, as are these terrorists.
Of that, I am ashamed.
paxx
Reply #59 Friday, September 14, 2001 6:20 AM
Reply #59 Friday, September 14, 2001 6:20 AM
I'm sorry, but bombing Afgan cities, buildings, hospitals, schools, to me, it's just arbitrarely as two planes crashing into the WTC... But you're right, it's called war. But I ask again, what the difference between war and terrorism? In both cases, innocent non-military people die. Both are based on punishment, and have for objective to terrorise the opposing country.
Attacking Afga cities would help in nothing. All might happen is the victim and tyran roles might change sides in the international opinion. And what would most definetly follow is more and worse terrorism to avange the dead ones. If the Afgan cities are bombed, I am almost certain some that the worst of terror will have yet to be seen in NY.
Bomb the training camps, sure, bomb Afgan military installation, fine, but bomb the civilians, make 10,000 innocent victims yourself and you become no better than the monsters who provoked you.
Attacking Afga cities would help in nothing. All might happen is the victim and tyran roles might change sides in the international opinion. And what would most definetly follow is more and worse terrorism to avange the dead ones. If the Afgan cities are bombed, I am almost certain some that the worst of terror will have yet to be seen in NY.
Bomb the training camps, sure, bomb Afgan military installation, fine, but bomb the civilians, make 10,000 innocent victims yourself and you become no better than the monsters who provoked you.
APB
Reply #60 Friday, September 14, 2001 8:30 AM
Reply #60 Friday, September 14, 2001 8:30 AM
Nothing can justify such a horrible and cruel attack against people of different nationalities. My prayers go to the family and friends of the innocent victims of such an evil act.
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Reply #41 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:31 PM