Financial Support WinCustomize
Thursday, June 14, 2001 by tcmiller | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Just read the message about the performance issues on WinCustomize.
I think that it is necessary to have a available place for the skin community.
Therefor, may I suggest that the skin community supports WinCust by donating an amount of money to WinCust, instead of buying a CD with a lot off skins we already have, never will use etc.
I would freely donate $ 20,-.
Regards,
Kees Mulder
I think that it is necessary to have a available place for the skin community.
Therefor, may I suggest that the skin community supports WinCust by donating an amount of money to WinCust, instead of buying a CD with a lot off skins we already have, never will use etc.
I would freely donate $ 20,-.
Regards,
Kees Mulder
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paxx
Reply #22 Friday, June 15, 2001 7:26 AM
Reply #22 Friday, June 15, 2001 7:26 AM
I know, that idea doesn't help the bandwidth issue, but they could be hosted at sites such as download.com and MP3.com.
Here's another idea. What about having a contest each month for the best skin suite. Anybody could enter the contest, everybody gets to vote (like the skinz T-SHirt contest), and the winner gets to have his suite up for sale on this site.
The suite doesn't need to be 10 applications, it could just be 4 apps, such as DesktopX (or Litestep), Windowblinds, Winamp (Or Coolplayer or WMP) and a 4th optional application like IconPackager ICQ Plus or KewlpAd.
Profits would be shared between Stardock and the skinner. Of course prices need to be reasonable, how about 5$ for a suite?
How about that?
That way there could be a new 5$ suite every month.
Here's another idea. What about having a contest each month for the best skin suite. Anybody could enter the contest, everybody gets to vote (like the skinz T-SHirt contest), and the winner gets to have his suite up for sale on this site.
The suite doesn't need to be 10 applications, it could just be 4 apps, such as DesktopX (or Litestep), Windowblinds, Winamp (Or Coolplayer or WMP) and a 4th optional application like IconPackager ICQ Plus or KewlpAd.
Profits would be shared between Stardock and the skinner. Of course prices need to be reasonable, how about 5$ for a suite?
How about that?
That way there could be a new 5$ suite every month.
Jafo
Reply #23 Friday, June 15, 2001 8:18 AM
Reply #23 Friday, June 15, 2001 8:18 AM
paxx...bad idea....Treetog would win every darn time....[at least until I cast those concrete gumboots for him and take him 'swimming']...
JavaBrain
Reply #24 Friday, June 15, 2001 9:47 AM
Reply #24 Friday, June 15, 2001 9:47 AM
$5.00 items don't work out very well. The problem is: card processing. every order has 2.5% taken off as a fee, then $.30 per transaction. So, out of $5 you actually see $4.57 (that is with Stardock picking up the gateway fees and any chargeback issues). So, even if only 25% went to the skinner, WinCustomize would only see $3.43. Considering that this route would add bandwidth usage, I'm not sure how much it would help.
David, if your friend paid $5.00 per mug, he got ripped off. I have been looking into low runs of mugs (150) with 3 color imprint, and so far, it looks like it will be reasonable. Hats are also within range with a 2 to 3 color logo.
How much are you guys willing to pay for a mug or hat? Would you be more willing to buy several things at once (Like a mug, T-shirt and hat) if we keep the s/h a flat rate (Like $5 US/ $10 international) no matter how much you buy at one time?
All input is appreciated!
David, if your friend paid $5.00 per mug, he got ripped off. I have been looking into low runs of mugs (150) with 3 color imprint, and so far, it looks like it will be reasonable. Hats are also within range with a 2 to 3 color logo.
How much are you guys willing to pay for a mug or hat? Would you be more willing to buy several things at once (Like a mug, T-shirt and hat) if we keep the s/h a flat rate (Like $5 US/ $10 international) no matter how much you buy at one time?
All input is appreciated!
paxx
Reply #25 Friday, June 15, 2001 9:59 AM
Reply #25 Friday, June 15, 2001 9:59 AM
Even if Stardock gets 3.43$ per order, I believe mass could make it worthwhile. Every month a new suite would be introduced, but the older ones would still be available. So after one year, there are 12 suites to choose from. Given they are going to be excellent suites I am sure a lot of people will readily buy them. Sales would probably increase as more suite are available. Say 1000 people buy each suite every month, then there would be 1000 suites sold the first month, 2000 the second month, etc.
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that after a few months there would be more than 5000 suites sold every month. At 3.43$ a shot, that's more than 17 000$ of revenu for Stardock. I think it could help pay for the bandwith.
And the best thing is that there are practically no cost involved into putting it into place. So even if you only get half of that amount, well, you get 8 500$ a month and it didn't cost you anything.
You could still sell CDs, and T-Shirts, and such, but sell top quality skins as another additional revenue.
My suggestion.
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that after a few months there would be more than 5000 suites sold every month. At 3.43$ a shot, that's more than 17 000$ of revenu for Stardock. I think it could help pay for the bandwith.
And the best thing is that there are practically no cost involved into putting it into place. So even if you only get half of that amount, well, you get 8 500$ a month and it didn't cost you anything.
You could still sell CDs, and T-Shirts, and such, but sell top quality skins as another additional revenue.
My suggestion.
Frogboy
Reply #26 Friday, June 15, 2001 12:37 PM
Reply #26 Friday, June 15, 2001 12:37 PM
The main problem is just the overhead in people time. Ever seen that Seinfeld episode where Jerry's getting a bunch of checks that are less than $1? Putting in that kind of royalty system or something for skinners could get painful.
I think it would make much more sense to have a Skinnerz CD which has suites that can be downloaded or sent as a CD for $19.95. So instead of having a bunch of $5 sales, you have a single $20 one.
I think it would make much more sense to have a Skinnerz CD which has suites that can be downloaded or sent as a CD for $19.95. So instead of having a bunch of $5 sales, you have a single $20 one.
Alexandrie
Reply #27 Friday, June 15, 2001 12:48 PM
Reply #27 Friday, June 15, 2001 12:48 PM
Paxx the Quebec don't have enought compagny to offers job to everyones. A lot of compagny in Quebec don't have a lot of money.
You know why we have this problem in the province of Quebec? Because everyone wants FREE stuff. Nobody wants to pay for things like that.
So you really think we can sell 5000 suites every months? How can you tell this? Explain me, you are showing what you suggest but please, explain us all cost it may have and explain us how you can tell we can sell 5000 suites per month.
Hey! Who will make this great suites every months? Don't take this too personnal but I don't like the way you think about this.
You know why we have this problem in the province of Quebec? Because everyone wants FREE stuff. Nobody wants to pay for things like that.
So you really think we can sell 5000 suites every months? How can you tell this? Explain me, you are showing what you suggest but please, explain us all cost it may have and explain us how you can tell we can sell 5000 suites per month.
Hey! Who will make this great suites every months? Don't take this too personnal but I don't like the way you think about this.
DavidK
Reply #28 Friday, June 15, 2001 12:58 PM
Reply #28 Friday, June 15, 2001 12:58 PM
I think I'd pay up to $8 for a coffee mug. Maybe more if neccessary. My friend's mugs were made in China and $5 was his landed cost, after duties and freight. Maybe he exaggerated to give them more value They were exceptional mugs though.
There's a lot of quality differences in promotional products. Sometimes it's worth it to buy a higher quality piece for a little more money (since these won't be given away).
I'm looking forward to whatever you guys decide to sell. I'm living on a day-to-day income of freelance work right now so I probably wouldn't buy any skin suites. Maybe I could rent one though
They were exceptional mugs though.There's a lot of quality differences in promotional products. Sometimes it's worth it to buy a higher quality piece for a little more money (since these won't be given away).
I'm looking forward to whatever you guys decide to sell. I'm living on a day-to-day income of freelance work right now so I probably wouldn't buy any skin suites. Maybe I could rent one though
BoXXi
Reply #31 Friday, June 15, 2001 7:25 PM
Reply #31 Friday, June 15, 2001 7:25 PM
If I could get a mug, t shirt and cap for $25 + $5 shipping, I would buy them. Is that possible?
And would it matter that I live in England?
Of course I only want the shirt if it has China's fonts in it. I mean ON it!! phew!
And would it matter that I live in England?
Of course I only want the shirt if it has China's fonts in it. I mean ON it!! phew!
paxx
Reply #33 Friday, June 15, 2001 10:02 PM
Reply #33 Friday, June 15, 2001 10:02 PM
Alexandrie: Paxx the Quebec don't have enought compagny to offers job to everyones. A lot of compagny in Quebec don't have a lot of money.
Huh? Why do you say that? There is actually a shortage of qualifies tech people in Quebec. I don't know one programmer in Montreal that does not have a job. Half decent programmers are so rare that companies often pay a LOT of money to get them. A friend of mine has only 3 years of experience since he got out of school and just got offered ajob for 65,000$ Amasing. Maybe wheer you live there is not a lot of job because it is a very small town, but in Montreal, don't worry, there is no problem in the technology market.
As for why I think there will be 5000 suite sold? I based it on the site's traffic as reported by Brad: hundreds of thousands of people each month. I don't know what exact amount that is but since "hundreds" is plural, lets call it 200 000. Lets assume 0.5 percent (or 1 person in 200) buys a suite every month, that would mean 1000 suites sold. And as I said, I believe that number wold increase as more suite are available. I read an article that said once that an average of 1 percent of the people register their shareware. If we apply that here, one percent could be interesting: 2000 sold minimum.
Anuway. I don't mean to argue here. It was just an idea. I just wanted to help. Sorry.
Huh? Why do you say that? There is actually a shortage of qualifies tech people in Quebec. I don't know one programmer in Montreal that does not have a job. Half decent programmers are so rare that companies often pay a LOT of money to get them. A friend of mine has only 3 years of experience since he got out of school and just got offered ajob for 65,000$ Amasing. Maybe wheer you live there is not a lot of job because it is a very small town, but in Montreal, don't worry, there is no problem in the technology market.
As for why I think there will be 5000 suite sold? I based it on the site's traffic as reported by Brad: hundreds of thousands of people each month. I don't know what exact amount that is but since "hundreds" is plural, lets call it 200 000. Lets assume 0.5 percent (or 1 person in 200) buys a suite every month, that would mean 1000 suites sold. And as I said, I believe that number wold increase as more suite are available. I read an article that said once that an average of 1 percent of the people register their shareware. If we apply that here, one percent could be interesting: 2000 sold minimum.
Anuway. I don't mean to argue here. It was just an idea. I just wanted to help. Sorry.
Grog
Reply #34 Friday, June 15, 2001 10:56 PM
Reply #34 Friday, June 15, 2001 10:56 PM
Put me down for a Coffee Mug, that I would take in a heartbeat.... Never have to many Coffee Mugs (Unless you ask my Wife ) Anything that would help offset the cost of the bandwidth I'm up for.
) Anything that would help offset the cost of the bandwidth I'm up for.
Alexandrie
Reply #36 Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:29 AM
Reply #36 Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:29 AM
Don't be sorry Paxx, I just give my 2 cents like you. I'm trying to participate a little more in the msgboard because I usually stay in the dark and just read. And for the Quebec problems I was talking in general way, not about a specific compagnies and no specific place too. We have a major problem here nobody wants to pay for anything. I know Paxx there is exeptions but they are few.
DavidK
Reply #37 Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:49 AM
Reply #37 Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:49 AM
I'm gonna move to Quebec! I want free stuff too
Alex, you're up too late again... don't you ever sleep?
Alex, you're up too late again... don't you ever sleep?
craeonics
Reply #38 Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:33 AM
Reply #38 Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:33 AM
craeonics moves to Quebec too then, no wait...
craeonics 's French is terrible
craeonics decides to sell Grog instead
craeonics 's French is terrible
craeonics decides to sell Grog instead
paxx
Reply #39 Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:22 AM
Reply #39 Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:22 AM
I don't think we are worse than anybody else for wanting free stuff. We don't have anything more for free than anybody else. Sure, we have some lazy people who take advantage of welfare to live on the state's money, but hose people exist everywhere in the world. Why do you say we want things for free more than anybody else? I don't think it's true.
Anyway, as I said, for sure there are people who want free things, and there are people (like me) who have a limited budget and thus can't afford to buy a lot of stuff. And that is precisely why I was suggesting this because I can't afford to buy a 55$ CAN CD, where I could afford to pay 7.50$ CAN for a suite once in a while.
Anyway, as I said, for sure there are people who want free things, and there are people (like me) who have a limited budget and thus can't afford to buy a lot of stuff. And that is precisely why I was suggesting this because I can't afford to buy a 55$ CAN CD, where I could afford to pay 7.50$ CAN for a suite once in a while.
Grog
Reply #40 Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:48 AM
Reply #40 Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:48 AM
Grog Starts Yard Sale to Get Money for Wincusto
Grog Sells Crae's Graphire.... Special 1.98$ US
Grog Sells Jafo's Dictionary.... Bidding starts at 1 Million Dollars (said in Dr Evil voice)
Grog Sells Everything......
Grog Heads back to Basement..... Need Expresso, damm no Coffee cup yet.... Checks Mailbox Again
Grog Sells Crae's Graphire.... Special 1.98$ US
Grog Sells Jafo's Dictionary.... Bidding starts at 1 Million Dollars (said in Dr Evil voice)
Grog Sells Everything......
Grog Heads back to Basement..... Need Expresso, damm no Coffee cup yet.... Checks Mailbox Again
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Reply #21 Friday, June 15, 2001 6:20 AM