a meditation on favoritism...
Friday, June 8, 2001 by kenray | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
firstly, don't get me wrong.
as a practicing Nazerite, i would love it if i could show my Bible at teh QT Mart and get half off my cigarettes...
Whilst browsing the coolplayer section, i notice a subset for "Christian"
does this not invite the question,
"If we subset for one religion, should we not subset for all?"
why not a "Hindu" section, or a "Buddhist" section, or a "Jewish" seciton?
Are we Christians so prevalent and artistically active that we deserve a subset?
Or is this a nod to the English speaking, Western Hemispherical crew who dominate this side fo the planet?
Don't get me wrong. I practice, adn i pray, and I love the special treatment.
Still, soemhting about that just doesn't strike me as fair.
"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
Yep, thats what HE said.
as a practicing Nazerite, i would love it if i could show my Bible at teh QT Mart and get half off my cigarettes...
Whilst browsing the coolplayer section, i notice a subset for "Christian"
does this not invite the question,
"If we subset for one religion, should we not subset for all?"
why not a "Hindu" section, or a "Buddhist" section, or a "Jewish" seciton?
Are we Christians so prevalent and artistically active that we deserve a subset?
Or is this a nod to the English speaking, Western Hemispherical crew who dominate this side fo the planet?
Don't get me wrong. I practice, adn i pray, and I love the special treatment.
Still, soemhting about that just doesn't strike me as fair.
"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
Yep, thats what HE said.
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Doreen
Reply #23 Friday, June 8, 2001 6:15 PM
Reply #23 Friday, June 8, 2001 6:15 PM
why not just put those skins into a general category and delete the whole regligious thing... only way to please everyone
by Citizen iMike - 6/8/2001 3:52:45 P
T-Man being a Christian you don't have to do "anything" to please anyone unlike being a webmaster... hehe
remember that
by Citizen iMike - 6/8/2001 3:52:45 P
T-Man being a Christian you don't have to do "anything" to please anyone unlike being a webmaster... hehe
remember that
Jafo
Reply #24 Friday, June 8, 2001 6:58 PM
Reply #24 Friday, June 8, 2001 6:58 PM
I say dust off and nuke 'em from space....it's the only way to be sure....
kenray
Reply #25 Friday, June 8, 2001 8:55 PM
Reply #25 Friday, June 8, 2001 8:55 PM
"And by the same token, why should I have to be forced to accept others beliefs in their gods"
Because the Lord Thy God has told you to love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
Have soem respect for thefact that there are real actual human beings with beleifs different than your own. Accept that you should love them, and respect them and cherish them, even though you differ on such a fundamental level.
Keep the section, but name it "Spiritual".
DO you think, that when people who are not Christian see that section, that they think,
"Hey, who is theis Christ person? Let me drop whatever I beleive and folow Him!"
Nope.
THey think, "Well, here they go again...idiots."
And i can tell you that's true because i live with a Buddhist, who lives in constant disgust with out more "out" Christian cousins.
THe best we can do, as CHristians, is to live our witness, and to be the kind of person other peopel would want to be.
IF this site was run by a Buddhist, adn there was a Buddism section, and not a CHristian seciton, how would that make you feel?
Do you love your neighbor?
Your enemy?
Will you "walk a mile in their shoes" as the Lord has told us to do?
To All WHo Are REading THis Thread:
Not all Christians are like T-man. THere are many liek me, who respect and love you, right thru our different beleifs.
We don't get much air tiem, we don't own broadcasting networks, and we don't shove ourselves on you.
We're here, though, trying to be the kind of loving person we would want everyone else to be.
Feel us?
I pray so..........
Because the Lord Thy God has told you to love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
Have soem respect for thefact that there are real actual human beings with beleifs different than your own. Accept that you should love them, and respect them and cherish them, even though you differ on such a fundamental level.
Keep the section, but name it "Spiritual".
DO you think, that when people who are not Christian see that section, that they think,
"Hey, who is theis Christ person? Let me drop whatever I beleive and folow Him!"
Nope.
THey think, "Well, here they go again...idiots."
And i can tell you that's true because i live with a Buddhist, who lives in constant disgust with out more "out" Christian cousins.
THe best we can do, as CHristians, is to live our witness, and to be the kind of person other peopel would want to be.
IF this site was run by a Buddhist, adn there was a Buddism section, and not a CHristian seciton, how would that make you feel?
Do you love your neighbor?
Your enemy?
Will you "walk a mile in their shoes" as the Lord has told us to do?
To All WHo Are REading THis Thread:
Not all Christians are like T-man. THere are many liek me, who respect and love you, right thru our different beleifs.
We don't get much air tiem, we don't own broadcasting networks, and we don't shove ourselves on you.
We're here, though, trying to be the kind of loving person we would want everyone else to be.
Feel us?
I pray so..........
Doreen
Reply #26 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:19 PM
Reply #26 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:19 PM
T-Man "is" being a true Christian whatcha wanna do Ken crucify him?
prob is more Christians need to be more like T-Man (including me) but i always fail
Brad will most likely make the adjustment to go please everyone,
(I hope T-Man does not)
prob is more Christians need to be more like T-Man (including me) but i always fail
Brad will most likely make the adjustment to go please everyone,
(I hope T-Man does not)
Jafo
Reply #27 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:22 PM
Reply #27 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:22 PM
I prefer to love my neighbour and know my enemy....
Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer....
In an argument/discussion about religion, there is only one winner.....your faith...[whether it withstands scrutiny].
It is otherwise a pointless discussion. If the terminology or title of a skin section is at odds with people in general, and specific sects/religions in particular, then it needs be changed.
Any debate as to which flavour of religion is better/more appropriate/whatever is meaningless, irrelevant and immaterial, and will certainly get nowhere.
'Religious' is certainly more appropriate than 'Christian', as it is non-discriminatory....
Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer....
In an argument/discussion about religion, there is only one winner.....your faith...[whether it withstands scrutiny].
It is otherwise a pointless discussion. If the terminology or title of a skin section is at odds with people in general, and specific sects/religions in particular, then it needs be changed.
Any debate as to which flavour of religion is better/more appropriate/whatever is meaningless, irrelevant and immaterial, and will certainly get nowhere.
'Religious' is certainly more appropriate than 'Christian', as it is non-discriminatory....
Doreen
Reply #28 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:27 PM
Reply #28 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:27 PM
yeah and thinking that Jesus was just a man, is certainly more easier to accept than he is the son of God...
oh well
T-Man I will say a prayer for you tonight! hehe
oh well
T-Man I will say a prayer for you tonight! hehe
Doreen
Reply #29 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:35 PM
Reply #29 Friday, June 8, 2001 9:35 PM
got no energy for this topic Lakers is on gotta go jump on the couch with the guys inside and watch the Lakers 
Ken, Jafo I know where you are both coming from, I just don't agree on this one, be happy it is not my site
Ken, Jafo I know where you are both coming from, I just don't agree on this one, be happy it is not my site
DavidK
Reply #30 Friday, June 8, 2001 10:34 PM
Reply #30 Friday, June 8, 2001 10:34 PM
T-Man - I think you're just yankin some people's chains to watch them dance.
I'm not impressed
I'm not impressed
paxx
Reply #31 Friday, June 8, 2001 10:43 PM
Reply #31 Friday, June 8, 2001 10:43 PM
Hey, was I wrong to think T-Man was joking?
I'm starting to doubt now that Doreen seem to agree with him. Is Doreen joking too?
Surely nobody in this day and age openly refuses other people's rights for their own beliefs?
Come on. I respect your belief, respect mine, his, hers, everybody's.
Now, please open a new section and call it "caucasian".
I thought you were playing devil's advocate and I thought you had balls. But now that I'm starting to think you were serious, I am offended, very much so.
I'm starting to doubt now that Doreen seem to agree with him. Is Doreen joking too?
Surely nobody in this day and age openly refuses other people's rights for their own beliefs?
Come on. I respect your belief, respect mine, his, hers, everybody's.
Now, please open a new section and call it "caucasian".
I thought you were playing devil's advocate and I thought you had balls. But now that I'm starting to think you were serious, I am offended, very much so.
T-Man
Reply #32 Friday, June 8, 2001 10:57 PM
Reply #32 Friday, June 8, 2001 10:57 PM
It looks like things may be starting to get a little heated so I think its time to calm some things down before anything gets out of hand.
First off, please look back to my first responses, as Paxx and DavidK have pointed out, I was playing the devil's advocate. And unfortunately no one even took notice that I had changed all the Christian categories to 'Religion' after my first response.
Kenray, you do make excellent points. We, as Christians, need to lead the way by example and not by force. And for those who know me personally can vouch for me that I am not the type of person that force's my will/beliefs onto others. I am actually a very passive person.
But there is some truth to my points as well and quite often good things (not just Christian things) must take a back seat to those who preach political correctness. And it does disgust me at times that so many people make huge issues over public prayer and such only to get public prayer abolished. But I guess as part of being a good Christian it is our duty to step aside and set the example and only hope and pray that others will see our actions, or inactions, and learn from them.
Well, I think I am just starting to ramble now so I will stop here before I just sound like a lunatic.
First off, please look back to my first responses, as Paxx and DavidK have pointed out, I was playing the devil's advocate. And unfortunately no one even took notice that I had changed all the Christian categories to 'Religion' after my first response.
Kenray, you do make excellent points. We, as Christians, need to lead the way by example and not by force. And for those who know me personally can vouch for me that I am not the type of person that force's my will/beliefs onto others. I am actually a very passive person.
But there is some truth to my points as well and quite often good things (not just Christian things) must take a back seat to those who preach political correctness. And it does disgust me at times that so many people make huge issues over public prayer and such only to get public prayer abolished. But I guess as part of being a good Christian it is our duty to step aside and set the example and only hope and pray that others will see our actions, or inactions, and learn from them.
Well, I think I am just starting to ramble now so I will stop here before I just sound like a lunatic.
jtfolden
Reply #33 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:03 PM
Reply #33 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:03 PM
Actually, paxx, I think you'll find a lot of people are so blinded by their own beliefs that they find themselves unable to respect the rights of others.
jtfolden
Reply #34 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:12 PM
Reply #34 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:12 PM
I don't have a problem with things such as public prayer in schools, just so long as people don't attempt to restrict the type of prayers included.
I was reading an article just the other day where a particular, local christian group was trying to
get prayers read before each school assembly. When it looked like the idea was going to be passed, but with a different religious prayer each week (Jewish, Muslim, pagan, etc...) rather than exclusively christian, the group suddenly started asking for a moment of silence instead. Quite pathetic, IMNSHO.
I was reading an article just the other day where a particular, local christian group was trying to
get prayers read before each school assembly. When it looked like the idea was going to be passed, but with a different religious prayer each week (Jewish, Muslim, pagan, etc...) rather than exclusively christian, the group suddenly started asking for a moment of silence instead. Quite pathetic, IMNSHO.
T-Man
Reply #35 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:25 PM
Reply #35 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:25 PM
As far as public prayer in classrooms go it is becomming much more difficult to bring harmonany to everyone.
My particular solution would be that the schools should not have classes for prayer or hold assembly's for prayer. But if they wanted to set aside a small time for private personaly prayer that would be fine. However I can see some people complaining about that too because by the virtue of having a 'prayer' time insinuates (sp jafo?) that there is a god and that would be intruisive to athiests beliefs.
And, if a group of students wanted to conduct quiet prayer between classes I personally do not see any harm in that and feel, at least, that should be allowed.
My particular solution would be that the schools should not have classes for prayer or hold assembly's for prayer. But if they wanted to set aside a small time for private personaly prayer that would be fine. However I can see some people complaining about that too because by the virtue of having a 'prayer' time insinuates (sp jafo?) that there is a god and that would be intruisive to athiests beliefs.
And, if a group of students wanted to conduct quiet prayer between classes I personally do not see any harm in that and feel, at least, that should be allowed.
paxx
Reply #37 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:35 PM
Reply #37 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:35 PM
Thank you, T-Man,
I knew it couldn't be true.
As for public prayers and such, we don't have those here in Canada. Only some religious private schools do.
Generally speaking we have a christian class once a week, but student have the choice of taking and alternative class instead. I, myself, took classes called "religions of the world". It was quite fascinating. I got to study what different religiouns were about. Funny how in the end a lot of it is similar, yet everybody is fighting.
My personal view is the same as Jafo, quoting Marx earlier: "Religion is the opium of the people" (I'm translating it as I know it in French "La religion est l'opium du peuple").
I knew it couldn't be true.
As for public prayers and such, we don't have those here in Canada. Only some religious private schools do.
Generally speaking we have a christian class once a week, but student have the choice of taking and alternative class instead. I, myself, took classes called "religions of the world". It was quite fascinating. I got to study what different religiouns were about. Funny how in the end a lot of it is similar, yet everybody is fighting.
My personal view is the same as Jafo, quoting Marx earlier: "Religion is the opium of the people" (I'm translating it as I know it in French "La religion est l'opium du peuple").
paxx
Reply #38 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:46 PM
Reply #38 Friday, June 8, 2001 11:46 PM
I think I'm just gonna go to bed. There are just too many mistakes in the above text...
jcg
Reply #39 Saturday, June 9, 2001 12:17 AM
Reply #39 Saturday, June 9, 2001 12:17 AM
Not to get too embroiled but that was just one more thing about which Marx was wrong I think citing Marx as an authority on anything (except perhaps muddled thinking) is risky at best.
Jafo
Reply #40 Saturday, June 9, 2001 2:49 AM
Reply #40 Saturday, June 9, 2001 2:49 AM
jcg....my quote was from '1984'.....the other quote from which that I use is 'our future lies with the proles' [or something like that....I read it sooo many years ago].
So if it was a quote from Marx, it was once-removed...
So if it was a quote from Marx, it was once-removed...
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Reply #21 Friday, June 8, 2001 4:31 PM
Either that, or just have a notice right up on the front page indicating that this is a christian site and only christians should post themes here.