I apologize

Friday, November 6, 2009 by k10w3 | Discussion: Community

The last couple of days have been harsh here in the community, and I want to take the opportunity to formally apologize to anyone I've hurt with my comments.  I am aware of the fact that I have days where I'm a colossal bitch; I don't see things logically, maturely, or even correctly--things get messed up in my head as to how I perceive them and how they actually are--the internet makes that worse because it's hard to read tone and inflection into text.

That being said, I will also state that I don't know how to be part of the "in" crowd -- I've never been allowed into those groups.  I have always been the black sheep, the misfit, the dork, the outsider, and I'm very comfortable with that group, because they are very accepting, very forgiving when I mess up, and I will always be defensive about those in that group because we are always out numbered, so in order to stay alive we have to watch each other's backs.  This friendship that comes with the understanding of what it's like to be one of us, isn't necessarily always loyal, but it IS always loving--it's pretty much like family, you know?  Like "we" can talk shit to each other, but we can't let anyone ELSE talk shit on each other.

I STILL think Kitty's skin is Master quality; nobody else does what she does -- she takes her master level and gives it it's own definition.  I told her once her style is like if she were the product of the DNA of John William Waterhouse were combined with HR Giger.  However, that's just my opinion; other people have their OWN opinions, and they are completely entitled to them.  If she died tomorrow, Saboteur would be worth a fortune, not only because the artist is no longer around to create, but because of the conflict that arose out of that very appropriately named WB - it's very, very dark; it's a little bit angry, it splits people and makes them take sides -- it was sabotaged and it sabotaged the community; plain and simple it's lesser magic, and some would do best to stay away from it.  Some will say it's crap and what I think about it is crap -- but some never see (can't see) the beauty in the archtype of Lucifer, either.  That inability is a sign you might be part of the "in" crowd.

In and out crowd, we all make up this community.  Coming here now is a little bit painful, and that frustrates me because this place and my art that has been spawned out of it are my "drug" -- it's my vice, the thing I go to when my cup is empty, and I want to do everything I can to make my drug satisfying again.  I'm just a little person -- I haven't done great things, I have nothing to brag about, as a human being I'm mediocre at best -- but for what it's worth, I apologize to everyone who has taken offense to my posts, and my attitude -- I'm sorry.  Please accept my humble apology so we can be united again.

Thank you for reading this.

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RedneckDude
Reply #1 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:15 PM

Karen, no apologies needed....be you..............Dork!  lol   JK.   Seriously, I wouldn't try to "fit in". True friends will accept you as you are, others can kiss it...lol. I appreciate that you posted this here, it helps to get things out and let your friends know how you feel.

I, personally, have pretty much stayed out of the Sabotuer scandal. I just choose to stay neutral. Anything I could have added would not help, but would fuel the flames, Kitty knows I love her.

This place gets a bit hairy at times, but please don't let it ruin your happy place. This IS a truly good community, not just WC, but the skinning community as a whole. Sometimes people's tempers flare, some opinions are expressed and sometimes offense is taken. Shit happens. This is true anytime you get a shitload of people together. Egos clash, people get pissed, and reactions happen. It's all part of it, nothing unusual, really.

I also think, as a master, one needs to be prepared for more shit than usual because people are more apt to complain about something they pay for, or are asked to pay for, than a freebie.

Wizard1956
Reply #2 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:27 PM

The only group I ever fit into was....all the other misfits. It's big of you to apologize but I agree with Jim,none was needed.

If we all had to apologize every time we thought we said something out of place,there would be little else in the forums.   

McSNAH
Reply #3 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:30 PM

QUOTE "I STILL think Kitty's skin is Master quality; nobody else does what she does -- she takes her master level and gives it it's own"

I aggree with everything you said as mentioned above .

                                                 keep happy                    Mcsnah

DPCloud
Reply #4 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:45 PM

You think you have trouble fitting in? You’re like the prom queen compared to some of us, lol.

 

I kept up with it all including checking out the comments posted in her gallery and I don’t see that you said anything any worse than anyone else, so even though I’ll probably never be a part of the community I say you have nothing to apologize for.

 

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

DrJBHL
Reply #5 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:46 PM

The people who love you will continue to do so. Sort of like opening a handful of wheat in the wind...the chaff blows away...letting the important part stay.

For a day, a week, a season...or a reason as the saying goes.

Big people make big gestures, have big successes and big failures. You are not little in anyone's eyes...except perhaps, your own. What's a failure one day becomes a success another....change is.

Let the chaff blow away...keep the kernels, learn the lessons, create beauty.

 

vStyler
Reply #6 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:48 PM

Think you should have stopped at the apology .. if it was one, all this talk about groups and in-crowds is nonsense and will just fuel division allll over again. There is no in-crowd, be true to yourself and those around you..and your...in.

Hankers
Reply #7 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:49 PM

Karen - No apology needed.  We all need to blow off steam every now and then.

We tend to be protective of our friends as has been demonstrated by many in this post. Sometimes things are said that we wish we would have thought it out with a cooler head before commenting.  There are 'cliques' everywhere you go and that's just part of life.  Whatever group you are in that makes you feel comfortable and you enjoy communicating with is an 'in-crowd'.

Hopefully we can all learn from this and move on.

Moderators are here to try and resolve 'disputes' or 'concerns' before they become United Nations Peace Keeping assignments. I hope that before a 'next time' happens that members will make use of the PM feature before making it a public concern.

angus1949
Reply #8 Friday, November 6, 2009 2:54 PM

Karen,

You've been a steadfast member for quite some time now.  Working hard to advance your skills.  We all have those days when things just aren't right, so don't feel bad.  Consider your opinions as your right to free speech.  The only thing we all want to avoid is hurting anyone on a personal level.  We enjoy your take on subjects, and it always keeps the rest of use dorks thinking.  Thanks for being involved.

warreni
Reply #9 Friday, November 6, 2009 3:06 PM

angus1949
Karen,

You've been a steadfast member for quite some time now.  Working hard to advance your skills.  We all have those days when things just aren't right, so don't feel bad.  Consider your opinions as your right to free speech.  The only thing we all want to avoid is hurting anyone on a personal level.  We enjoy your take on subjects, and it always keeps the rest of use dorks thinking.  Thanks for being involved.

 

WebGizmos
Reply #10 Friday, November 6, 2009 3:19 PM

Karen....it's like this in life. Throughout your lifetime you will only ever have at most a handful of true friends...ones you can tell your most personal things to...the rest are just acquaintances...people you meet in passing that although appear friendly...they are still just acquaintances and will come and go throughout your lifetime. The trick is to know which category they fit in to and treat them accordingly. This doesn't mean treat them badly...it just means you don't treat them the same as your "friends" and tell them things you would tell your "true" friends. Be polite until they either become a "true" friend which takes lots of time or until they give you a reason to not bother with them.

As far as the "in" or "out" crowd...you shouldn't let something like that bother you. Being in the "in" crowd doesn't mean your in good company...just as being in the "out" crowd doesn't mean your in bad company. Just be yourself....do your own thing...feed your "drug/skinning" habit and move on.I myself prefer to be the lone wolf...I help people where and when I can...they either appreciate it or they don't...it's up to them. I pretty much treat everyone the same until they exhibit some sort of behavior that tells me they aren't worth my time. Such as treating someone unkindly or putting themselves on some sort of pedestal, being ungrateful...just general bad behavior.

And remember...nobody is better than you...just as you are no better than anyone else...we are all equal. Some people think otherwise and you have to figure out which ones think that way...I call these people "legends in their own mind" and I deal with them accordingly.

I don't let bad comments bother me because the ones making the comments have no idea who I am or what I'm about. I'm not here to enter a contest...I'm here to feed my desire to create and I create for myself while trying to do the best I can...if someone doesn't like what I create the world doesn't stop just because of someone's comment.

One thing I have always done on this site is this. If I read a comment...whether it's left for me or someone else...that for whatever reason rubs me the wrong way...I'll write my reply in notepad and let it sit...maybe write some more and let it sit...maybe even for a day...then I think about how important what I wrote is...then I usually just delete it...because most of the time it's just not worth getting into an argument over...I have better things to do with my time.

The bottom line is...don't sweat the small stuff and use notepad...a lot!

CarGuy1
Reply #11 Friday, November 6, 2009 3:27 PM

Please accept my humble apology so we can be united again

 

I think everyone should meet at v's house, gather round the camp fire, roast marshmellows, and finish it off by holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

 

John, you got room for a few guests, right.

k10w3
Reply #12 Friday, November 6, 2009 3:30 PM

Thanks everybody...I'm starting to feel a little better now.

vStyler
Reply #13 Friday, November 6, 2009 3:39 PM

John, you got room for a few guests, right.

 

All i have is the vCave.. but we could fit at least 5 people in here... standing.

We'll be roasting someonething but it wont be marshmallows.

and Kumbayah? Meh... All you need is love - The Beatles

 

 

warreni
Reply #14 Friday, November 6, 2009 3:51 PM

The bottom line is...don't sweat the small stuff and use notepad...a lot!

Wait, what? This is the best life advice you can come up with after, what was that? 800 words? What about what Richard Nixon said: "Don't sweat the small stuff and make sure you regularly update your enemies list." (Oh, never mind, that's not constructive. . . .)

 

Here's mine: Cats for everyone!

 

and Kumbayah? Meh... All you need is love - The Beatles

Right on!

Vampothika
Reply #15 Friday, November 6, 2009 4:24 PM

you dont have anything to apologize for Karen..........nothing at all, in fact you havent even done anything wrong.

Stormypoo
Reply #16 Friday, November 6, 2009 4:36 PM

you dont have anything to apologize for Karen..........nothing at all, in fact you havent even done anything wrong.

 

Well, apart from saying Michael Keaton was the best batman lol, seriously, i think all u guys are great and without u ALL we wouldnt have such a cool site, nuff said.

DaveBax
Reply #17 Friday, November 6, 2009 4:36 PM

Live by the words that WebGizmos said

"Throughout your lifetime you will only ever have at most a handful of true friends...ones you can tell your most personal things to...the rest are just acquaintances."

Trust me enjoy the company you have here. I thought I had many friends but after my wife passed away in May of this year people don't even know I'm alive. No calls, no visits to my home, nothing. So sometimes we all say things we regret and wish we could take back, it happens. Just enjoy what you are doing and this nice community of people.

k10w3
Reply #18 Friday, November 6, 2009 4:52 PM

DaveBax

Trust me enjoy the company you have here. I thought I had many friends but after my wife passed away in May of this year people don't even know I'm alive. No calls, no visits to my home, nothing.



  I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm sorry people aren't being more supportive of you.  Are you sure they just aren't staying away because they don't know how to help you with your grief?  Sometimes people don't know what to say or do when someone is grieveing and rather than say or do the wrong thing, they stay away which seems safer.

Jafo
Reply #19 Friday, November 6, 2009 7:31 PM

Live by the words that WebGizmos said

"Throughout your lifetime you will only ever have at most a handful of true friends...ones you can tell your most personal things to...the rest are just acquaintances."

Oh, dear...I was reminded of.....

"Deteriorata" - National Lampoon

You are a fluke of the universe.  You have no right to be here.
Deteriorata.  Deteriorata.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.

Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.

Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and _when_.

Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.

Wherever possible, put people on hold.

Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

Remember The Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself.  If you need help, call the FBI.

Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you -
That lemon on your left, for instance.

Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.

Fall not in love therefore.  It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds,
Clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

Hire people with hooks.
For a good time, call 606-4311.  Ask for Candy.

Take heart in the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.

And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

        You are a fluke of the universe.
        You have no right to be here.
        And whether you can hear it or not,
        The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.

With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.

Give up!

sydneysiders
Reply #20 Friday, November 6, 2009 7:38 PM

"Deteriorata" - National Lampoon

 

never heard that..... 

 

I now have an overwhelming feeling of hopelessness..... 

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