Yep, He renounced his radical ways for a more legitimate way to radical ends

his words Po.

It's serious scary to me that someone who is as obviously smart as you cannot see this guy is a serious radical, a racist and albeit an ex-communist (benefit of the doubt) and further, that you expend so much intellectual energy defending him.

The only conclusion I can draw and I've said it before.. is that.. it just does not bother you.

Oh and love this quote from Jones "Barack Obama is going to save the whole wide world."

  Oh, and i have 'proof' of that.

Care to defend that one?

Like 'revolutionary', another word you want to make seem dirty.

The way this country has been run , refunding programs that don't work, spinning the spin on healthcare reform..anything departing from that would seem radical. It's time for a new appraoch, a departure from the same ol' same ol'.

LIncoln was considered a radical because he sought to transform America by freeing four million slaves.

Martin Luther King was considered a radical becaue he wanted to give them equal rights.

All you see is the face of Mao Tse-Tung in Becks campaign ads.

I have a dream...

All this shows is anger. I don't begin to understand why you, having stated you have no Health Insurance would want to propagate the corrupt existing situation.

Ok..let's say you want that for yourself. Why wish/force it on others?

Secondly, you are all the time claiming this is the President's Health Insurance Plan.

It is not. He has NOT put forward a plan. He left it to the Congress to do.

The only thing that's flatlining is the corrupt politicians who accepted (like Mitch McConnell's 3.7 Million) [money] from the insurance companies.

More so: As more time goes by, more and more inflation occurs so fewer and fewer will be insured.

You're big on free enterprise. How are Health Insurance costs impacting companies? If it cost less, couldn't more be hired? Also, if it weren't Employer based at all, but individual/group/Cooperative based, wouldn't business be better off?

I suppose radical can be a good term, all depends what type of radical a person is.

To me... he's the bad kind.

Thing is.. I'm never going to convince u, or karen, but I bet there are a bunch of fence sitters reading this.. If I can influence one.. all this bs is worth it.

Simple, I'm going to be screwed under either plan. I'm screwed now (under my current circumstances) and if this goes thru I'll be equally screwed,

My family still lives in the UK. They come over every year or so and ALL i hear about is how national healthcare has hit rock bottom over there.... waiting lines, shady physicians being imported from all over the world, people being denied medication because they are 'just too sick' medical mistakes rampant etc etc on and on. Its the same over most of Europe.

This is how I see it.. I'll take my chances, I dont plan on always being poor, one day I will be able to afford healthcare and when and If i do, Id like it to be good healthcare and not some bs system of govt run beauracrats telling who and when to see. My kids have medicaid, its a friggin joke, I've been dealing with crap ass designated doctors,  waiting lines, poor follow up all my kids lives. I'd LOVE to be able to provide better for me and them but I just cannot afford it.

One day , hopefully soon, I will be able to.

The last thing I personally want to see happen is this low level, low quality designated healthcare for everyone.

lastly , as many have said... when congress goes on the SAME PLAN.. I'd vote for it. ( If I could )

Freakin hypocrits.

If its SUCH a great idea\plan.. WHY is it tanking?

I see it as simple, some people just arent going to have healthcare, I've never had insurance, deal with it... get a job, educate urself, work ur asses off, make something of yourselv'es buy good quality healthcare.

So sick of hearing poeple whining about what they havent got while they sit around and do nothing about it.

I realize there is reform needed, Im not saying there isnt, but this age of entitlement makes me ... yes... angry.

People running around yelling 'Death Panel' and the unfortunate people that hear it  tune into Beck to find out what it means instead of somewhere responsible like the NYTimes, possibly?

The logic of that truly escapes me.

Substitute HMO/Insurance Co. high school drop out and that's closer to the truth. Seniors aren't whining about Medicare....that's Gov't run...Medicaid is Gov't run...and my Medicaid patients get good care.

I say the same.

Because instead of trying to improve it, your folks are determined to sink it for petty party concerns...and couldn't care less about 43-46 million uncared for, and ballooning costs. They care more about "winning" via any lie or fear mongering

Wrong. No one should be without it, and it is within reach. You never had insurance? When you were living in Britain? Yeah you did.

The same entitlement that you had growing up? [before coming to the USA]. As for entitlement? You have certain entitlements as a Resident Alien...also, nothing in it will be "free" which is how I sense you mean "entitlement"....or welfare/charity.

v...I truly don't want you to be angry...if I'm making you angry, I'd just as soon stop responding.

Funny, the Times is ALSO tanking.. I suppose that's Becks fault too.

In my adult life. Yes I had healthcare thru the Navy growing up, I had no choice in the matter and cared nought about politics.

I'm entitled to live here as long as I'm alive, no one pays for shit. If there are other entitlements unaware to me... I'm not using them.

What I mean is a culture of entitlement, gimme gimme gimme, something for nothing, laziness, apathy, cradle to the grav'ing

I remember seeing a woman on election night...

"everything gonna be alright now, We got Obama now. Obama's gonna take care of me"

Yeah..that... bothers me... as well it should anyone with an ounce of pride.

Like all print . If I could blame him I would. Unfortunately, the internet is to blame.

So I'll blame Al.

I knew you'd blame someone

You have my vote. With you all the way!

BTW..speaking of power, any thoughts that the president can turn off the internet at any time? I haven't heard abything about what he may or may NOT seem deemable to shut us down!  Just a thought.

Who the hell is Glenn Beck? 

I don't believe that's helpful either. I also think that sort of thing is destructive. If a person is capable of work, he/she should be able to find it. I also believe that if you can get a workable plan for less money than the rapacious insurance companies demand and then get nothing back for your money another option should exist.

It will force the insurance co.'s to be responsive and to decrease their prices.

I also have seen data and heard a former insurance co. person speak about how the legislators have been bought and paid for.

From them I expect no help.

I want no charity. I want professional health care at affordable prices. I want employee benefits (if monetary) to be taxable.

In short, I want honesty and an end to greed. Did you know why the banks which recieved TARP monies wish to pay them back? So the CEO's can get back to no controls on their "perks" and salary and stock options.

You want good care? Demand it. You've paid for it and deserve it!

While that may seem practical from a natl. security standpoint I can imagine this lot will find some way to take advantage of it and somehow steer it beneficially in their direction.

Don't forget Beck today, Fox - 5pm. Gonna be an interesting show.

3 and a half actually, but the elections next year are going to bring his agenda to a screeching halt. he's already in the low 40's after 6 months, he better make some big changes in direction and policy if he doesn't want to be a lame duck in his second year.

Shooting the messenger...again, who you wont take the time to watch.

I'll let everyone make their own mind up about that, I know it to be completely incorrect, but your entitled to think what you want.

I try to be kind to everyone.

Now it appears they want a national indoctrination day, they just don't get it do they.. and they wonder why people all accross the spectrum are getting more and more pissed off.... I tyhink this person exaplined how I feel rather well.

"It's one thing for a president to encourage all kids to work hard and stay in school – that's a reasonable use of the bully pulpit. It's another thing entirely, however, to have the U.S. Department of Education send detailed instructions to public schools nationwide on how to glorify the president and the presidency, and push them to drive social change."

It's an opinion, apparently shared by many others who may or may not be keeping their kids home on tuesday.

Yet another controversial part of the agenda that is getting people in an uproar accross the country.

They just don't get that this country is not willing to travel down their ultra left wing path.

They'll get it next time the polls are open though. Right now all the polls are tracking downward for the Obama Admin.

and it's all Becks fault.

This is hilarious   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpONNWP_dkU  perhaps some of you can join the ranks of this "huge" Beck protest.

I'm SO looking forward to 9/12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4gDkFjQeU