So not knowing anything about her, you're fine that Beck used her in his little propoganda campaign video? Because Beck paints her as a commie and uses that to descredit Jones, you're fine with it. You take it in and it must be so and don't bother to even check the facts for yourself..and then proceed to offer the link to the video to try and sway others to believe the stuff Beck wants us to?

Wow.

And this encourages me to watch any further videos you link, how? I would have expected you, above all others, and especially not being from this country, to want to know who these people are that Beck would use and exploit. I'm kinda dissapointed. It's almost as reckless as what Beck is doing by assembling these little vids and airing them for the masses.

I don't see it as propaganda, thats the difference, She is one tiny, tiny part in the bigger framework, no I did not and am not going to focus on the old lady, I didnt particularly think it was noteworthy to begin with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQiOceT3t_Y     Beck doesnt even need to speak, the quotes, the tapes speaks for themselves.

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Thank you for proving everything I have been saying.

LOL.

before I say this, I want you to realize that I also fit the remark.

talking politics with some of you is like talking to a rock. of course we can't be wrong, that would shake up our whole fundamental believe system. heaven forbid that the light bulb should come on even for a momentary bit of insight.

Which remark? I'm just trying to keep up.

I like Beck, period. I have seen and herd the Quotes and tapes. If any of what has been repored happens, Our Constitution will be a memory. I'm not willing to give up what our Founding Fathers set down as guidelines. This is pretty scary stuff.

As the Fox news states, "We report, YOU decide!"

Indeed.

Megyn Kelly 2012

Time for Beck, turn Fox on

Apparently you don't realize that those words are from the mouth of Van Jones himself. Follow the link and read his words for yourself. I found that one myself. It's from a site you would approve of--Mother Jones.

PO

Show us where Van Jones has renounced communism.

LOL

DOC

Do you support the private option?

You have an extraordinary inability to read words and derive meaning from them. It's called lack of comprehension. You need help. Read his words.

I support completely free choice that includes the public option with suboptions in it...i.e. with or w/o abortion support, etc.

I want an end to "stockholder" driven insurance co. payments and denials. I want an end to vaguely worded contracts which enable insurance co,'s to deny care and essentially practice medicine without a license to do so because people can't afford to say, "ok, you won't share cost so I'll go it alone."

I want to see cost drop so a family doesn't have to pay $12,000 a year for insurance...and if a job is lost, end up without care!

I want tort reform. I want an end to waste driven by fear of suit. I want an end to fear mongering and an end to obstructionism just to "Break Obama".

*edited: spelling.

If he tried to pass healthcare in a way that the majority of americans want it.. he wouldn't have to worry about obstructionist's.

It's no ones fault but his that people are standing in the way.

now lets remember what that nitwit Pelosi said.. 'We will not pass it without a public option'

We'll see about that.

(insert popcorn smiley here)

The same "majority" that elected McCain?

No, the majority that expected Obama to govern based on what he promised while campaigning and that is now finding out just who he and his cronies are and what their agenda is.. exactly why his numbers are flatlining.

...also why the dems HC plan is flatlining, the people are speaking. Do you think if a majority approved of it they would be having this much trouble?

You really think these more centrist dems want to go back home after voting for it and get their asses handed to them for doing so?

I 'm not aruing the source or whether he said it or not. I'm just saying...'So?'

* He has NEVER served time in prison. He was rounded up along with other peaceful protestors and was quickly released and later compesated by the police for the unlawful arrest. This is a fairly easy fact to check, so why does Beck keep peddling it?

* He's not a mysterious 'czar' The  press release announcing his appointment to the White House Council on Environmental Quality. He's a WH staffer.

* Beck keeps insisting he was never vetted. Paterson was called by the FBI during Jones' vetting process.

* The communist quote was taken out of context from a article that makes it clear even in the headline ( "The New Face of Environmentalism" subtitled - Van Jones renounced his rowdy black nationalism on the way toward becoming an influential leader of the new progressive politics") .that he had renounced his youthful radicalism and had found a better way in socially responsible capitalism. *You should read it.

You're the one who defined 'revolutionary' as a code word for 'communism'.

Environmental justice is the movement to ensure that no community suffers disproportionate environmental burdens or goes without enjoying fair environmental benefits."

"It's the environmental racism that allowed the powerful people in society to turn a blind eye for decades to the downsides of the industrial system that got us to this point."

He's right. The big companies spread their money around with the people in power to get the permits and codes changed that they wanted. I wrok for a national company that services all variety's of industry. I see it all the time. From some Mom and Pop restaurant that pays the health inspector to overlook the rats in the basement, to national companies that get codes changed when their retention ponds start getting to toxic. Where do YOU think THAT money goes? To the unemployed in the ghetts?

"Well, the only reason that we have the unsustainable accounting that we have right now is because incinerators, dumping grounds, and sacrifice zones were put where poor people live. It would never have been allowed if you had to put all the incinerators and nasty stuff in rich people's neighborhoods..."

You got that shit right. I've seen them keep hospitals, hospices, prisons, factory's and whatever else they don't want from even getting into the neighborhood. And the ones that pull out...the mess gets cleaned up as opposed to the post-apocolyptic looking crap that they leave behind in the cities and poor areas.

"It's the environmental racism that allowed the powerful people in society to turn a blind eye for decades to the downsides of the industrial system that got us to this point."

And it still continues.

"The other thing is that the environmental justice agenda is also changing. Before, it was much stronger on demanding equal protection from environmental bad. Now we are also demanding equal opportunity and equal access to environmental good."

"We want an equal share, an equitable share, of the work wealth and the benefits of the transition to a green economy."

"....we want to make sure that the green economy is an equal-opportunity, diverse economy that can lift millions of people out of poverty."

"We don't want it to be an ecoapartheid economy where the vast majority of the owners and workers and consumers and beneficiaries of the green economy are all one race."

Why can't this green economy happen in the city's?  What is wrong with bringing these factories and bussiness' back into the city's so the people there can benefit? Why should it only happen in influential areas that have the money to buy these guys dinners, vacations, and cruises? It happens. I keep tryin to tell myself it doesn't, but then another contract comes up for bid and the money starts a flying under the table. The dinners, lunches, meetings at odd hours at odd places.

 "What are some of the policies that you're envisioning would create this more level green-jobs market?"

"It's a two-part answer. First you've got to have a green economy. Then you've got to make it just and inclusive. You've got to put a price on carbon; that's got to be a top priority for the new administration."

What is the problem with putting a price on carbon. IMO, it's flawed in the aspect that these company's will only trade and buy up what they need from each other anyway to skirt around any restrictions .

"The minute the rules change so that we punish the polluters, so the polluters have to pay, and the people who are doing things in a clean and green way are benefited, which can happen within the year, then you're going to see a massive transfer of both public and private capital into the clean and green sector."

The polluters should pay. They should start by paying to have the crap they left behind cleaned up. If you're ever this way, let me know. I can take you to one site that would blow your mind. Even if you didn't buy into anything else I have said here you would see this and say 'They can't do THAT!' and wouldn't shed a tear if they got fined. And that's just one I could show you. They're all over the country.

"We want a really aggressive cap. We want to make the polluters pay. We don't care if they pay by buying permits or paying taxes."

All he's saying is one way or another they are gonna pay for the pollution. EVen if they have to get creative.

"Now, the real question is who's going to get those jobs."

"When the government moves, then capital will move, and when capital moves, then jobs will be created. We want to say very early and very loud, not after we see the big green economic boom, the real boom that's coming, but before, that the jobs question is critical, justice is critical, equal opportunity is critical, and pathways out of poverty are critical."


"We're so clear about this because with the Silicon Valley tech boom, communities of color, poor people got nothing out of it. By the time we got into the argument, to talk about "Let's close the digital divide," the only thing Silicon Valley could think of to do is to give us recycled computers."

"We don't want, having already fought the digital divide in the '90s, to now have to deal with an eco divide."

I really don't know what YOU'RE reading into all of this and what you're so afraid of.

So you're FINALLY willing to come over to my side?!?!? Why I don't know what to say. vstyler must be spitting beer at his monitor.

It's unfortunate that alot of people still suck the governments c**k. When in fact their taking it in the a**.  LOL.