Forum Update - April 2, 2009

Minor update, but important

Thursday, April 2, 2009 by GunslingerBara | Discussion: Forum Issues

The forums have been updated again today with a minor change.  If a user edits his/her post, there will now be a "View Edits" button.  Clicking this button will show a history of that reply/post, along with highlights (red = removed text, green = added text).

If you do not see the button or clicking the button does nothing, please do a "hard refresh" by holding Ctrl and pressing F5.  This will clear your cache and force a download of the new image and javascript file.

Hopefully this will reduce the amount of griefers who go back and edit all of their posts.

Bara

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ZubaZ
Reply #141 Monday, April 6, 2009 4:57 PM

It was meant to show major changes to posts to prevent confusion and idiots messing with others.
You got that right!

However, as a future feature request . . .

Sole Soul
Reply #142 Monday, April 6, 2009 5:08 PM

GunslingerBara
I was under the assumption people liked that, since it helps to hide minor spelling mistakes and errors.  This system wasn't intended to show every minor detail.  It was meant to show major changes to posts to prevent confusion and people aggressively modifying their posts.

Bara

Ah.


It was meant to show major changes to posts to prevent confusion and idiots messing with others.You got that right!
However, as a future feature request . . .

Heh.

Please? 

And this would tend to make the view edits function not show quite as much text, either, at least in general, which for posts that have been edited quite a bit might make a substantial difference.

Saint Mina
Reply #143 Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:42 AM

   My empire thread's View Edit is too large.

   Please go to this thread and help, yes I know, I put my post in the wrong forum, well it was a bug for me and not the game anyway sorry.

   Thank you for your help.

Mumblefratz
Reply #144 Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:05 PM

I was under the assumption people liked that, since it helps to hide minor spelling mistakes and errors. This system wasn't intended to show every minor detail. It was meant to show major changes to posts to prevent confusion and people aggressively modifying their posts.
I agree that this is a good reason to provide this functionality and overall it does address the issue. The only problem that I have with it is that it does seem to be overly verbose and it mostly ends up tracking the minor editing and spelling corrections that we all end up doing immediately after submitting a post.

Back before the forum upgrade of about a year ago the way editing worked is that you could edit a post only up to the point that the next person responded to it. That worked well except in popular threads where you had just submitted a reply and were trying to correct a spelling or grammatical error but someone else's reply beat you to it.

I do believe that the functionality was originally intended to allow people to edit their posts for a reasonable time after making them even if someone did manage to post a reply prior to them doing so, but for some reason that did not turn out to be practical. In the end it turned out that you could edit your posts forever which of course introduces the problem that the view edit functionality was intended to address.

All in all the functionality is not all that intrusive given that you don't actually *have* to view the edits of every reply if you don't want to, however to be honest I don't really want to see someone's minor spelling/grammar corrections and would just as soon prefer that my own spelling/grammar corrections were not made so obvious to all that chose to view them. I suppose I could just do a better job of composing my replies but sometimes you're in a rush and everyone’s human.

It is good to have tractability of significant changes and I don't really see any method that could automatically differentiate between the minor things no one cares about and real changes to the content or intent of the reply that are significant.

For what it's worth I would just as soon go back to the old system of allowing edits only up and to the point that someone else replied to them and forgo the view edit functionality.

The other thing is that the forum functionality applies to both “blogs” and “forums”. Even though forums and blogs are conceptually different, the Article in the case of blogs and the Original Post in the case of forums are special cases when it comes to editing.  For as long as I can remember the Article/OP could be edited forever and there are important reasons to continue to allow this to happen. There are many cases where the OP of the thread is continually updated in response to the ongoing conversation. In this case there still is a need for something like the view edit functionality however many of these kinds of Articles/OP’s are very long lived and that 1st post can accumulate a *very* long view edit history.

I think this is at least part of the issue that GmOOnii is reporting above where in his Metaverse Empire thread https://forums.galciv2.com/340151 the “view edits” hangs up and never responds. Again I *think* that his issue is that he can no longer edit his OP because of perhaps an excessive amount of changes, particularly ones that show pictures that had at one time or other been in the OP.

The bottom line is that the ability to edit the OP of a thread that in some cases can be 3 or more years old with many *thousands* of replies needs to be preserved. If there has to be some kind of arbitrary limit on the “view edits” history that eventually causes someone to be unable to edit their OP then I think that either needs to be fixed or if it can’t be fixed then the view edit functionality should be scrapped.

GunslingerBara
Reply #145 Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:37 PM

The ability to edit the original post has always been there.  However, I could introduce a "time limit" before editing will be recorded.  So for example, within 2 minutes of a posy/reply, you can edit and change what you want without the edit appearing in the View Edits list.  After that all edits will show up.

I can't seem to load galciv2.com from home, so I'll check it out on Tuesday.

Bara

Saint Mina
Reply #146 Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:01 PM

@ Mumblefratz, nice write up

  I have to agree with you if I had a empire thread around for three years with thousands of replies and I could not reply or even edit my thread then veiw edit should be scrapped only for OP.

GunslingerBara
Reply #147 Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:59 PM

View edit should not affect any editing or posting... Where is this happening? https://forums.galciv2.com/340151 does not have thousands of replies and I can edit his post just fine.

Bara

Mumblefratz
Reply #148 Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:07 PM

View edit should not affect any editing or posting... Where is this happening? https://forums.galciv2.com/340151 does not have thousands of replies and I can edit his post just fine.
No, his metaverse empires thread isn't that old nor long but there are a few around that are. As far as I know there's no issue with the older threads as they probably haven't had their OP edited in quite awhile. But yes it's the OP of https://forums.galciv2.com/340151 that has the problem (at least that's my interpretation of GmOOnii's complaint).

As far as GmOOnii's thread all I know for sure is that it seems to take me forever to access and once I do if I click on "view edits" of the OP it gives me the rotating wheel and says "We're looking up the edits for this post ..." but it never finishes (I've waited for up to 15 minutes). If I click on "view edits" again the search stops but I get the following Windows Internet Explorer error report.

An error occurred:

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I can however "view edits" for other replies in the thread without issue.

As far as you being able to edit his OP I don't know, but I assume that your ability to edit someone else's OP is different since that obviously requires special access. I do believe that his problem is that *he* can no longer edit his OP. 

[edit] This is probably something you shouldn't be worrying about on a Saturday night. I'm sure this can wait for normal business hours. [/edit]

GunslingerBara
Reply #149 Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:52 AM

I'm always on call

Gmoonii, if you'd please clarify on the specific problems your having (with URL's please!) I can look into the issue.  I may have to put a limit on how many edits are returned, or allow moderators to individually set a limit to posts with long edits.

Bara

Wizard1956
Reply #150 Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:12 AM

However, I could introduce a "time limit" before editing will be recorded. So for example, within 2 minutes of a posy/reply, you can edit and change what you want without the edit appearing in the View Edits list. After that all edits will show up.

This would be great for those of us who re-read our posts and realize it looks like ZubaZ helped type it.

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #151 Monday, April 13, 2009 4:37 AM

minutes of a posy

Looks like you needed it right there!

ImStein
Reply #152 Monday, April 13, 2009 6:11 PM

This would be great for those of us who re-read our posts and realize it looks like ZubaZ helped type it.

 

Hey, I kinda like seeing my typo's when I don't cathc them while typing....lol. I feel like an I am in an elite group or something. Specially since Jafo doesn' t do corrections anymore....

Saint Mina
Reply #153 Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:28 AM

@ GunSlingerBara, May I ask what is URL?  (Newbie)   Now I just want to Thank You for your help.

I have my Empire Thread set up the way I like it. Please check to see if you can post in it.

I am done editing until I move up in rank which will be a long time.

The problem is no one can post in my thread ever since the veiw edits was added and the other problem is no one can open my empire thread to veiw edit.

Saint Mina of Ophelia VII of Order of the Bloody Rose of Orders Militant of Adepta Sororitas

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     “We are at war with forces too terrible to comprehend. We cannot afford mercy for any of its victims too weak to take the correct course. Mercy destroys us; it weakens us and saps our resolve. Put aside all such thought. They are not worthy of Inquisitors in the service of Our Emperor GmOOnii. Praise his name for in our resolve we only reflect his purpose of will.”

Inquisitor Draco,

Castigations on the Last Days

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GunslingerBara
Reply #154 Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:45 PM

Not being able to view edits means it's taking a while to load them all.  However, view edits should not affect posting.  I recently updated the view edits to make it AJAX-based.  Do a hard refresh (press Ctrl and F5) on that page and see if you can post then.

Bara

ZubaZ
Reply #155 Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:54 PM

May I ask what is URL?
A URL is the address of a website.  "https://forums.wincustomize.com" is the URL for teh Wincustomize forums.

Uniform resource locator or universal resource locator

 

Uvah
Reply #156 Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:09 PM

I've wondered about those extra buttons, the thumbd up and the report now the view edits. I guess I'm lucky. Mine don't have them lol

GunslingerBara
Reply #157 Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:30 PM

I've wondered about those extra buttons, the thumbd up and the report now the view edits. I guess I'm lucky. Mine don't have them lol

You can't report or give karma to your own posts, and the view edits button isn't there because you haven't edited the post.

Bara

Saint Mina
Reply #158 Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:46 AM

So this is my URL

GunslingerBara
Reply #159 Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:42 AM

I did not have a problem replying to that thread.  I was unable to load the view edits, however.  I will look into that issue and see what's holding it up. 

Bara

Saint Mina
Reply #160 Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:54 AM

Thank you GunslingerBara

Saint Mina of Ophelia VII of Order of the Bloody Rose of Orders Militant of Adepta Sororitas

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