Petitation To Have Star Dock Release Programs for Windows 7 Beta 1
Tuesday, February 3, 2009 by Donald Zuchowski | Discussion: Stardock Support General
Since Windows 7 Beta 1 is not released with an installed base of over 2.5 million copies, Star Dock should release a beta of products for Windows 7. Heck their is even a petitation to have Windows 7 released now. Let the 7 love start now......
Reply #22 Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:47 PM
It's a Beta OS
It's a Beta OS
It's a Beta OS
Except Vista was in development for how many years? 6 or something? 7 is based on Vista and is back to the 3 year development cycle. For all intensive purposes 7 and Vista are the same thing except for a lot of cosmetic changes above and underneath the hood. MS are looking at having a single internal RC release so the time to get your software working with 7 is now rather than later. From the looks of things you have plenty of eager beta testers to help you along as well.
Reply #23 Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:20 PM
Some types of software [particularly GUI skinning ones such as Windowblinds] are particularly closely dependent on the OS itself, far more so than a 'simple' program such as Photoshop/iTunes/whatever.
Typically there are next to no issues with an ancient version of PS running on the latest OS...but the same can definitely NOT be said for GUI software.
I have Photoshop 5 here somewhere...dates back a 'bit'....last I checked it was happy on XP....I wouldn't even bother thinking about running WB2 on XP .....it's a safe bet it would 'miss' skinning much of it, and likely interfere with radio buttons, etc.
The RC of IE8 had issues with the then current WB6 prompting the latter's revision yet again....![]()
Reply #24 Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:39 PM
How about Windows 6 and ten tenths?
Reply #25 Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:45 PM
Slapped with a wet trout...
Reply #26 Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:57 PM
Are there... dry.. trout? ![]()
Reply #27 Friday, February 6, 2009 12:33 AM
First off I am 37 years old and have been with stardock since wb4 and love most of their products. I am ususally on the cutting edge of MS operating systems. I love beta software. MS has stated there will be no Beta 2. The next train stop will be Release Candidate, then RTM.... So if Windows Vista SE (7) is that far ahead then Star Dock should be as well. Ms released three milestone releases of Windows 7, so in realty milestone 1 was beta 1, milestone 2 was beta 2 and milestone 3 was beta 4, and beta 1 consumer release is beta 4. So in realty MS has had 4 betas of Windows Vista Second Edition (7). The next os is so awsome, that they sould do a 7 of 9 edition from Star Trek Voyager. That would be hot man....
I have read that 7 will be relased from about june of this year since that is the time from for free os upgrades and about jan 2010. I say the only differences are the new toolbar so wb6 should not be that hard to fix to work with windows 7 and yes i love Windows over the silly linux where you need a phd to install java. linux will never take over the consumer market, it is open source, so anyone can find its weakness really easly, if linux was on 90% of the desktops it would be so hacked, it would make xp look like gold. open source people come on, anyone can see the holes.
Reply #28 Friday, February 6, 2009 10:01 AM
I'd appreciate if you link the sources for that please. I can find anything official from Microsoft that support this statement.
Also... known... as... dead... trout.... ![]()
Reply #29 Friday, February 6, 2009 10:15 AM
This is a VERY flawed argument. Anyone can see the holes. ![]()
I'll just take firefox as an example...
- It's open source.
- Is it more secure than IE? Yes.
- Does it have fewer flaws than IE? Not really, they just tend to be less of a problem.
- Is it more hacked than IE? No.
The list can be made very long, but it's easy to see my point here... There are a number of reasons why Linux will not take over the consumer market NOW, but it being open source is definetely not one of them (even though it does slow down the progress a bit, for other reasons).
Just for fun I'll state my favorite reason why Linux will never take over the consumer market:
- Linux is not an operating system. The only thing that can take over the consumer market would be a distribution based on the Linux kernel. (I find that unlikely to happen though, it'll probably be fork of the kernel restructured to be desktop friendly rather than server friendly, then released as desktox, which will be the kernel a "Desktop Linux" will be based on which eventually might take over the consumer market)
Reply #30 Friday, February 6, 2009 3:46 PM
You have to realize and consider changes "under the hood". It's not just as simple as saying "it should not be hard to fix", if you have never developed an application like WindowBlinds before. ![]()
Reply #31 Friday, February 6, 2009 4:09 PM
Quoting Donald Zuchowski, reply 2 MS has stated there will be no Beta 2. The next train stop will be Release Candidate, then RTM....
I'd appreciate if you link the sources for that please. I can find anything official from Microsoft that support this statement.
vStyler Are there... dry.. trout?
Also... known... as... dead... trout....
right here Results 1 - 10 of about 12,900,000 for no windows 7 beta 2
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/30/microsoft-confirms-no-windows-7-beta-2-rc-details
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=24319&catid=3
http://keznews.com/5299_Microsoft_confirms_no_Windows_7_beta_2,_RC_details
Reply #32 Friday, February 6, 2009 4:19 PM
Quoting Donald Zuchowski, reply 2linux will never take over the consumer market, it is open source, so anyone can find its weakness really easly, if linux was on 90% of the desktops it would be so hacked, it would make xp look like gold. open source people come on, anyone can see the holes.
This is a VERY flawed argument. Anyone can see the holes.
I'll just take firefox as an example...
It's open source.
Is it more secure than IE? Yes. only because 80% of people use IE so ofcourse hackers will forgo Firefox and concentrate on ie....
Does it have fewer flaws than IE? Not really, they just tend to be less of a problem.
Is it more hacked than IE? No.
The list can be made very long, but it's easy to see my point here... There are a number of reasons why Linux will not take over the consumer market NOW, but it being open source is definetely not one of them (even though it does slow down the progress a bit, for other reasons). open source will never take off, too many cooks in the kitchen, too many back doors into the softeware
Just for fun I'll state my favorite reason why Linux will never take over the consumer market:
Linux is not an operating system. The only thing that can take over the consumer market would be a distribution based on the Linux kernel. (I find that unlikely to happen though, it'll probably be fork of the kernel restructured to be desktop friendly rather than server friendly, then released as desktox, which will be the kernel a "Desktop Linux" will be based on which eventually might take over the consumer market)
i sat we getr ibm to do os/2 again and also have apple release os/x at least to pc compies like dell and have dell do the tech support. apple are just ibm x86/64 computers no different now that they use the same intel cpus and can be hacked to run on amd as well
Reply #33 Friday, February 6, 2009 4:21 PM
I say the only differences are the new toolbar so wb6 should not be that hard to fix to work with windows 7
You have to realize and consider changes "under the hood". It's not just as simple as saying "it should not be hard to fix", if you have never developed an application like WindowBlinds before.
sicne the kernal is 98% the same only difference is the ability to load more then one driver at a time and to load services on demand...
and its only version 6.1 and not version 7.0 so technically when windows 8 comes out it will be windows 7. confusing aint it...
windows 7 is really version 6.1
windows 8 is really version 7
Reply #34 Friday, February 6, 2009 4:56 PM
Donald.... skinnables don't play with the kernEl [
]....they play with the shell....the GUI of 'Explorer' is the interface that isn't the same in '7' as it is in 'XP'.
Even visually 'small' changes in the GUI can be 'annoying' to accommodate in a WB revision....![]()
Reply #35 Friday, February 6, 2009 11:25 PM
Are there... dry.. trout? ![]()
Pardon me...would you have any Grey Poupon?
Reply #36 Friday, February 6, 2009 11:44 PM
Can we get a referee over here to review this play?
Reply #37 Saturday, February 7, 2009 6:02 AM
Yes. only because 80% of people use IE so ofcourse hackers will forgo Firefox and concentrate on ie....
open source will never take off, too many cooks in the kitchen, too many back doors into the softeware
Check >THIS< out... Recent browser usage... IE is losing users quite rapidly.
As for "open source will never take off" you must be joking... It has already taken off, and it's going amazingly well. I'm not going to pull alot of statistics, but do you have ANY idea how widely spread the use of the apache web server is? The Linux kernel is used by a huge lot of major corporations on servers worldwide (IBM, Novell, Dell and HP is a few examples...). If you want to go secure, check out any of the open sourced BSD distributions (OpenBSD is a prime example). Open Source makes it possible for anyone to browse the code and make sure there are no back doors. You can't do that with proprietary software.
Anyway, this thread is about Windows 7, so let's get back on topic now, there's nothing to see here anymore. ![]()
Reply #38 Saturday, February 7, 2009 6:15 AM
I've learned not to take anything on msdn as truth, they've posted a huge lot of mistakes and wishful thinking there in the past. It's not an official forum for public announcements.
Though he claims that the Beta is feature complete... I'll believe it when I see the RC without any new features added. Most likely they'll release RC1 with a bunch of new features (which means it's REALLY beta 2, as an RC shouldn't contain new functionality), then we'll have RC2 (or in worst case up to RC5) which is feature complete.
Reply #39 Monday, July 20, 2009 4:01 AM
If kept out of water long enough, sure....
BTW, I have nothing to do at 4 AM so I'm reviving old threads...lol.
Actually, I'm looking to see what does and does not work on 7.
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Reply #21 Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:35 PM
Fences. https://www.stardock.com/products/fences