Tell that to that hockey mom bitch Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es5S1vSASmw

I see the personal attacks are back ... and from WC'ers no less.

*sigh* used to be rules against this sort of thing. Great job guys

Calm down , I wasn't attacking you , or anyone here.

I'm pretty educated and a professional and look at Fox News as a pretty good news source with an conservative tilt to its commentary.

It is similar to CNN except CNN's commentary is liberal. 

MSNBC, by contrast, has left-wing tilted news and commentary.

Most people who hate Fox News I suspect don't watch it. It's a boogieman.

In a thread where people are talking about how awful McCain supporters are, it's amazing that no one sees the irony of a Obama supporter calling Palin a "hockey mom bitch". I think it demonstrates how people allow their ideologies to color their impressions of people they barely know.

Whatever.

If someone pisses me off on WinCustomize, I reserve the right to ban them for any reason I want.

Is this an abuse of power? Probably. Is it illegal? No. Is it a violation of the "trust" of the community? No. I've banned plenty of people for no other reason than annoying me. Yet you guys are all still here.

People in power "abuse power". It's almost inevitable.  I supsect plenty of you screaming about Palin would have been defending a Hilary Clinton nominee despite her frequent firing of people who got in her way when she was first lady. Or supported Bill Clinton's violation of public trust on numerous occasions.  Or Obama using his power in the Illinois senate to get his friends and supporters choice government projects.

Many of you are alllowing your ideologies to color your opinions of individuals.

The media's obsession with Palin consisted of blind hatred of her without even knowing anything. Within the first week of her nomination, she was subjected to press insuations that her child was actually her daughter's. We got plenty of coverage that her daughter is pregnant. She has been ridiculed on SNL multiple times (despite Biden saying equally to more ridiculous things in interviews at the same time and his son being indicted).

By contrast, the media's obsession with Obama has been a total love fest. His visit on the View included questions on how come he was so "sexy" (when McCain went on, he was asked if he might legalize slavery). Obama's ties to Acorn, his various gaffes and his history have been largely ignored by the media.

So yes, there have been media obsessions with both but the way those obsessessions have manifested themselves differs greatly.

Are you suggesting that Germany and Japan invited US forces into their countries?

I supported the US invasion of Iraq. I don't like how the occupation of Iraq was handled in the pre-surge time but I was very much in favor of removing Saddam from power. It had nothing to do with whether he had WMDs or not. It had to do with Saddam's long term intent and his continuing violation of the 1991 cease fire agreement. Did I think that Iraq had stockpiles of chemical weapons? Sure. But did it materially affect my position one way or the other? No.

Similarly, I would have supported the US invasion of Hitler's Europe despite Germany having nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.  300,000 Americans died to help defeat Nazi Germany even though Nazi Germany was no imminent threat to the US.  In Iraq, we've lost a little over 3000 Americans in combat.

The US, 60+ years later, is still in Germany and Japan, using them as strategic bases.  In Korea, US forces are still engaged on the border of a country we are still technically at war with (they have a cease fire agreement).

Are yu

Untrue. I've heard the Muslim/terrorist connotation . the pastor at Obama's church , that whole Weather Underground crap even before Obama finished the Democratic primaries. Only now am I hearing about Palin's ties with Alaskin sepratists , her own church pastor .... Wow that big bad liberal media is on top of things as usual

Oh and Palin's inability to construct sentances when asked relatively softball questions by Katie Curic does not equal blind hatred. Her being a bitch on the campaign with her Obama rhetoric does not equal blind hatred. She's out of her depth , and the way I see it , she's simply a tool being used by the McCain camp to allow the campaign to be dirty without McCain himself actually having to do any of it, sort of a good cop bad cop. Only they're both bad cops

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, DJ.

But in the meantime, you should try to keep your hatred of those who don't share your ideology in check.

Quoted for irony.

 You and I may or may not share idelogies , do I hate you , no. 

I understand this is probably a JU cross-post , but seriously , do we have to be called idiots when we *don't* agree with the right wing's call on the relative merit's of Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin's respective personalities and campaigns?

I find it funny that Fox is 'conservative' , yet MSNBC is 'left wing'. You make it sound like Fox is relatively balanced ( sort of a 'conservative' CNN? ) and yet MSNBC is one step away from Pravda. MSNBC and Fox are two sides of the same coin. If MSNBC is 'left wing' , Fox is 'Right wing'

You're right , brad . We'll probably have to call it as it is and agree to disagree

Has a thread like this ever changed anyone's minds?  Here is my take anyway. 

No one here is friends with either candidate (at least I don't think so) so you can't honestly judge who they are personally.  And, no, you can't research it because both sides have their spin on it and as human beings, people will tend to believe whatever fits their mind set.  So you need to take a broader look at the candidates.

It seems to me that McCain camp is saying don't vote for Obama because of who he is. But, how do you know who he is if you never met him?  If he was such a bad person with ties to terrorism, how did he get to be a US senator?  Where was the outrage when he was running for senate.  Where was the outrage up until a week ago?  The Ayers connection has been around for awhile and if it was a big deal it would have been brought up as soon as Obama was nominated.  The fact that the campaign is bringing this up a month before the election when McCain's poll numbers have been dropping makes the argument tainted and needs to be tossed out with all the other tainted "facts".  This is why it becomes hard for independent undecided voters to follow this tactic and why I think it's not working.  Supporting McCain because you think Obama is a terrorist or makes bad choices becomes a less creditable argument.

Obama supporters are voting for Obama because of his policies, not because they hate McCain as a person or don't trust him.  So the choice is simpler for them.

My final verdict is that a person's first choice for president should come from their positions on the issues because that is clear to everyone.  Voting on a person's "character" is second because a person's "character" doesn't give as much insight into the policies they want to implement.

End of line.

Well said TheMasterBaron. 

I also think there will be voters who will support McCain because he is basically decent, believes in himself and the US, is a Veteran and even the fact that he is more of a hawk than Obama.  Although supporting McCain isn't my personal choice, I don't think that supporting a candidate for "honest" reasons (policies) is limited to Obama.

This is not directed at "anyone" in particular.

You know....the things that bothers me the most at every election..since I already know what politicians are like...crooks/liars/spin doctors/ or sympathy seekers (as in...I was a POW (Sorry....part of war)...yet we all forget about the others that came home and are still POW's of sorts since we treat them all like shit instead of the heros they are!) who all at some point in time have had some dealings with terrorists in one way or another which is not news...is how we always seem to attach a label of some kind to each other...left wing...right wing...prick in the middle...as though you actually know what the other person is thinking.

Everyone claims to know better and have all the facts the other guy doesn't...but its funny how "after" the elections is when we really learn about these people...but then its to late. Stop it already!!! Your Americans! Enough with the labels!!!! Who started this label crap anyway? When are we going to start working together as Americans to save this country from the tyrants and crook running it into the ground? Did everyone forget that "We the people" are suppose to be making this country great!...NOT the politicians! But the sad fact is...they stopped listening to us...and just do what they want or what "they" think we need. But who can blame them...everyone else fell asleep or just stopped caring about the future or your children's future. This is not the America I remember and felt proud of as a child. Apathy has reared its ugly head!

I really don't feel sorry for anyone who's losing money over what's going on now...except the poor. And I hate to say it...but I think a full blown depression would be the best thing to happen to this country...maybe then people will wake the hell up and start actually thinking again. These TV sound bytes have turned people into zombies.

I for one am really fed up with hearing from these candidates about what the other guy did...I want to know what they are going to do. How in the hell can anyone make any kind of informed decision when they all act like children. Show me someone with some "genuine" integrity...honesty...plans that make some real sense...tell me that your going to try and do something but at the same time be honest about it and tell me how hard it may be to do. Stop telling me what you think I want to hear and tell me what I need to hear...tell me about the hard choices that "need" to be made...don't stand there all puffy chested lying to me in your speech written by someone else about how your going to fix something when you know damn well you won't be able to do it. And start paying more attention to the poor in this country. Helping them will help this country!!!

You know what.....I'm really just fed up with this country and the people in it anymore. Why does everyone just blindly accept the unqualified candidates they offer up to us to run this country and not just say...NO...come up with someone better? Why aren't these peoples backgrounds and health records gone over with a fine tooth comb? Why do they drug test someone working a 7-11 but not them? Why are they not held to the same laws as the rest of us? Why do we spend 30 million to impeach a president for diddling a government clerk....but do nothing to one that...directly responsible or not...used a sledge hammer to drive this economy into the ground and outright lied to us about this so called threat that never existed. Where's Bin Laden? Where's the WMD'?

Where's the tar and feathers!!!!!!?

I haven't called anyone any names. I am not a McCain/Palin supporter nor am I a Obama/Biden supporter.

Calling people names like "bitch" is hateful.

No, there was an ongoing war...Japan declared wae on the US by bombing Pearl Harbor, and Germany invited the US into the European conflict by sinking US Shipping in the Atlantic.  The US was within its right to defend itself and, in partnership with its allies, did what was necessary to end the ability of both Japan and Germany to wage war... and thus it was not the aggressor, the forces were not invasionary, and the forces which remained in those countries subsequent to the war were not occupational, but to help rebuild/establish regional security.

The same can NOT be said for the INVASION of Iraq!  The US was the aggressor, it presence was uninvited, and the remaining forces were certainly occupational until such time it became patently obvious the US had exacerbated a humanitarian crisis and had created political instability in the region by removing the only local power that Iran feared.  Irrespective of what the World thought of Saddam Hussein's regime, removing it has created a political/military vacuum in the region which Iran has used to its advantage to become more prominent and bold... and thus the US will find it increasingly difficult to extricate itself from Iraq.

I don't give a stuff what anyone says, the invasion of Iraq was wrong on so many counts.  Bush was completely clueless about Iraqi demographics, its religious and cultural differences, and he totally misread the Iraqi' peoples reaction/response to 'so-say 'being 'saved' from Saddam.  The majority of Iraqis now despise the US, instead of just having a sometimes dislike/distrust of it.... no thanks to Bush

Quoting myself elsewhere:

I have no hatred for Obama or Biden, but I sure disagree with their political philosophy & positions.  The hatred for Palin, not simply disagreements with her past actions or positions, is so over-the-top, exposing the intellectual arrogance of the left.  Biden is a much bigger bufoon than Palin if you ask me - he's uninformed, makes gaffe after gaffe after gaffe, is wrong on his history half the time (and not just fuzzy little details), and he's the one the Dems tout as the experienced, knowledgeable, level-headed mentor BO can turn to when his inexperience requires it.  He's shown me that despite all his years in politics & in DC, he hasn't cared enough to learn squat, not even about the Constitution under which he serves.

I'm not excited, nor need to 'calm down'.

I just happen to think the rules against personal attacks apply to everyone, not just 'anyone here'.

BTW, does that 'anyone here' mean 'presently logged in', 'a current member', or 'someone on this particular thread'?

If that's the way it's to be played, I can sling shit with the best of them. Easy enough to wait until your back is turned.

i want to take a few seconds tio apologize to anyone who works in the american healthcare system. i made a comment a few pages back stating the healthcare in the us sucks. i did not mean the actual healthcare received. i was talking about the healthcare insurance we deal with daily. again, my apologies and i sincerely hope i did not offend anyone.