Ah! Grasshopper.....
Thursday, December 20, 2007 by Leo the Lion | Discussion: Wallpapers
Last week it was 'scared of spiders' but this week it's Grasshoppers. Those friendly little guys who live in the grass. Here's an amazing 'mechanical' Grasshopper designed by Shikijiyu over at DA. I'm sure you will agree it is a stunning masterpiece 
Link to pic below but hit the download button if you want to view it in large detail. Incredible detail.
And a Merry Xmas from Spiderman and me
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Link to pic below but hit the download button if you want to view it in large detail. Incredible detail.And a Merry Xmas from Spiderman and me
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sydneysiders
Reply #3 Friday, December 21, 2007 10:23 AM
Reply #3 Friday, December 21, 2007 10:23 AM
hmmm....mechanical bugs call for a mechanical bug catcher.......
Leo the Lion
Reply #4 Friday, December 21, 2007 6:27 PM
Reply #4 Friday, December 21, 2007 6:27 PM
That's great Syd 
Where did you get that from?
Where did you get that from?
sydneysiders
Reply #5 Friday, December 21, 2007 7:47 PM
Reply #5 Friday, December 21, 2007 7:47 PM
had it for years....can't remember where I found it......it's a cool wall though....love my venus flytraps...
grasshopper very clever too......
...and Merry Christmas to you too Leo........
grasshopper very clever too......
...and Merry Christmas to you too Leo........
Diafragma
Reply #6 Friday, December 21, 2007 8:09 PM
Reply #6 Friday, December 21, 2007 8:09 PM
I don't think it is a good idea that you post walls from other websites even if you post the link unless you have exlusive permission from the author, Im not trying to be a jerk but Jafo is very particular when it comes to this issue...
Leo the Lion
Reply #7 Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 PM
Reply #7 Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 PM
Diafragma, I understand your concerns but then that could be said about anything. A product perhaps. That would mean you would need permission from anyone if you were going to write something about a piece of art, a piece of software.........You name it............. 
Jafo or other admin...........Please see Diafragma's comment...........Please advise. I don't want to thread on anyone's toes
Jafo or other admin...........Please see Diafragma's comment...........Please advise. I don't want to thread on anyone's toes
messiah1
Reply #8 Friday, December 21, 2007 10:47 PM
Reply #8 Friday, December 21, 2007 10:47 PM
I think it's more about the author maybe not wanting his/her work posted here. They might not mind, but then again, they might...
Leo the Lion
Reply #9 Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:07 AM
Reply #9 Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:07 AM
messiah1, every picture or image you see posted on these forums belongs to someone. It could be a wallpaper, it could be a 'smiley' or a personal icon etc etc. So where do we go from there?
Sosiosh
Reply #10 Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:52 AM
Reply #10 Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:52 AM
Dunno Leo,
It's just digital, just information... what right does anyone have to lay claim to any information? ...unless, of course, someone wants to control something...
Do the images I create Really belong to me??
It's just digital, just information... what right does anyone have to lay claim to any information? ...unless, of course, someone wants to control something...
Do the images I create Really belong to me??
HG_Eliminator
Reply #11 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:07 AM
Reply #11 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:07 AM
yes they do . its called intellectual property and it does belong to the Creator/artist as well as the rights to its distribution. this could be copyright infringement in the sense that the images can be easily extracted/downloaded, while unintentional it is still a form of distribution. we do moderate Screen shots to obscure enough of the walls used as not to easily extract them from the Screen shots. this may apply here as well.. hopefully an Admin will give a better heads up of the sites reg's on this matter.
The images we use and or upload here are of our own or have permission to do so.
Most of what is seen here on WC is not readily extracted for use as it is shown. a SS of a desktop can show a winamp skin in full. But it cant be easily extracted and reused as a winamp skin.. (It would take some work to get the images cut up and coded to a skin.) "Most" users here are not capable of this. while the images shown in this thread are easily copied to HD and used as they stand or resized with little effort.
other images/skins you see on WC are put up by Stardock/artists for viewing/use by the members/visitors thus we are given permission to view/use them personally, not redistribute them..
It's a grey area at times but it's typically safe to error on the side of caution..
I would say resize the images to a degree where they would be not easily used as a wallpaper or add a water mark stating for blog/news purposes across the middle. this would deter folks from grabbing it, without visiting the authors site...
Avatars uploaded here and most else where i believe are uploaded with the intent of the masses using them as such...so they would fall under GPU general public usage. or an implied Permission to use as avatars. Also those who use regular images and resize them as 50x50 avatars, aren't distributing the images in a usable state except as a avatar ( the image would deteriorate upon resizing up to a wallpaper size. so I would see no problem with them.
But like I said an admin would have a more concrete definition of WC standards. ..
The images we use and or upload here are of our own or have permission to do so.
Most of what is seen here on WC is not readily extracted for use as it is shown. a SS of a desktop can show a winamp skin in full. But it cant be easily extracted and reused as a winamp skin.. (It would take some work to get the images cut up and coded to a skin.) "Most" users here are not capable of this. while the images shown in this thread are easily copied to HD and used as they stand or resized with little effort.
other images/skins you see on WC are put up by Stardock/artists for viewing/use by the members/visitors thus we are given permission to view/use them personally, not redistribute them..
It's a grey area at times but it's typically safe to error on the side of caution..
I would say resize the images to a degree where they would be not easily used as a wallpaper or add a water mark stating for blog/news purposes across the middle. this would deter folks from grabbing it, without visiting the authors site...
Avatars uploaded here and most else where i believe are uploaded with the intent of the masses using them as such...so they would fall under GPU general public usage. or an implied Permission to use as avatars. Also those who use regular images and resize them as 50x50 avatars, aren't distributing the images in a usable state except as a avatar ( the image would deteriorate upon resizing up to a wallpaper size. so I would see no problem with them.
But like I said an admin would have a more concrete definition of WC standards. ..
Leo the Lion
Reply #12 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:34 AM
Reply #12 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:34 AM
I have removed the image as I do not want to offend anyone or breach the high standards set by the site.
HG_E. Many of your points make sense but there are many grey areas that I can see. To start talking about them would be 'opening up a can of worms' so I'll wait for the boss to make a ruling on exactly what they want to do.
HG_E. Many of your points make sense but there are many grey areas that I can see. To start talking about them would be 'opening up a can of worms' so I'll wait for the boss to make a ruling on exactly what they want to do.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #13 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:42 AM
HG_E. Many of your points make sense but there are many grey areas that I can see. To start talking about them would be 'opening up a can of worms' so I'll wait for the boss to make a ruling on exactly what they want to do.
it is a tough call, one I can offer my opinions on and "my" understandings of the rules. but the bosses will know the full answer...
I too am guilty of this and would like an affirmation of the sites rules on this.. ( did a bit of this in the LOLcatz thread) until Diafragma pointed it out, I hadent thought of it that way..
Reply #13 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:42 AM
HG_E. Many of your points make sense but there are many grey areas that I can see. To start talking about them would be 'opening up a can of worms' so I'll wait for the boss to make a ruling on exactly what they want to do.
it is a tough call, one I can offer my opinions on and "my" understandings of the rules. but the bosses will know the full answer...
I too am guilty of this and would like an affirmation of the sites rules on this.. ( did a bit of this in the LOLcatz thread) until Diafragma pointed it out, I hadent thought of it that way..
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #14 Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:15 AM
Reply #14 Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:15 AM
The same moderation rules apply in the forums as in the screenshot gallery.
Wallpapers (or other art images) must be obscured enough to prevent their distribution.
The other way is to downsize the image to the point where it cannot effectively be re-used. Or to reduce the image quality (bootskins).
Avatars are fine as they are. They fall under fair use/fan art, and are not re-usable as larger images. The same goes for dock icons etc.
The image in #3 at 800x640 is borderline... I'm sure there's someone out there with a 800x600 screen who could use that as a wall
The original image had already been reported when it was wisely removed
The link to the original image is much better - even better if it had a thumb as part of the link.
Leo the Lion
Reply #15 Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:25 AM
Reply #15 Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:25 AM
Thanks, Fuzzy. Makes sense and I'll leave it at that. Thank you
messiah1
Reply #17 Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:29 AM
Right, but that someone either uploaded it themselves or somebody had permission to do so. Smileys and avatars, unless otherwise noted are generally public use images. Wallpapers belong to their creator only and they decide where they get posted. That's the way I see it anyway. I personally woulnd't mind if someone liked a piece of mine and posted it at another community site as long as they noted that I created it...but that's me.
I see above that fuzzy un-fuzzyed this topic a bit. I just wanted to post my own thoughts/feelings in regards to your comment. Like Diafragma said, not trying to be a jerk, just stating my opinion I guess.
Reply #17 Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:29 AM
messiah1, every picture or image you see posted on these forums belongs to someone. It could be a wallpaper, it could be a 'smiley' or a personal icon etc etc.
Right, but that someone either uploaded it themselves or somebody had permission to do so. Smileys and avatars, unless otherwise noted are generally public use images. Wallpapers belong to their creator only and they decide where they get posted. That's the way I see it anyway. I personally woulnd't mind if someone liked a piece of mine and posted it at another community site as long as they noted that I created it...but that's me.
I see above that fuzzy un-fuzzyed this topic a bit. I just wanted to post my own thoughts/feelings in regards to your comment. Like Diafragma said, not trying to be a jerk, just stating my opinion I guess.
Leo the Lion
Reply #18 Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:29 AM
Reply #18 Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:29 AM
Thanks, Brickhead. Much appreciated No worries, Messiah. I understand and I don't want to 'rock the boat'
No worries, Messiah. I understand and I don't want to 'rock the boat'
Sosiosh
Reply #19 Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:05 PM
Reply #19 Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:05 PM
I'm just beginning my day today, and what a great round of discussion! Kudos to all 
I'm bookmarking this thread, I'm certain it will come up again. I'm glad you posted this Leo, I got a lot out of it and I hope it will continue.
Digital rights are a huge issue. Radiohead released their latest album "In Rainbows" and only asked we pay what we felt it was worth. A lot of folks downloaded it for free, that was in October.
Many artists were outraged by this act. A few applauded it. Thoughts?
Also, Leo, no guilt. You did everything right. I'm certain the individual you linked us to would enjoy the fact that I looked at all the other things posted on his site. It's a wonderful, linked community. I consider what you posted to be advertising for a really good artist. Same for Sydney, you never claimed ownership. If the artist would object, take it down or apply the appropriate footnotes.
Size? From what I understand, it matters
Anyway, Sizing, credits... all important. What we don't want to do, in my humble opinion, is be afraid to share important, creative works that inspire.
I'm bookmarking this thread, I'm certain it will come up again. I'm glad you posted this Leo, I got a lot out of it and I hope it will continue.Digital rights are a huge issue. Radiohead released their latest album "In Rainbows" and only asked we pay what we felt it was worth. A lot of folks downloaded it for free, that was in October.
Many artists were outraged by this act. A few applauded it. Thoughts?
Also, Leo, no guilt. You did everything right. I'm certain the individual you linked us to would enjoy the fact that I looked at all the other things posted on his site. It's a wonderful, linked community. I consider what you posted to be advertising for a really good artist. Same for Sydney, you never claimed ownership. If the artist would object, take it down or apply the appropriate footnotes.
Size? From what I understand, it matters
Anyway, Sizing, credits... all important. What we don't want to do, in my humble opinion, is be afraid to share important, creative works that inspire.
Leo the Lion
Reply #20 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:47 PM
Reply #20 Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:47 PM
Thank you, Ward for your sentiments. I really appreciate it. I must admit I did feel rather 'stupid' because I have been around this site for five years now and feel that I should have known better. I have not been able to actively participate for the last three years because to a huge overseas work committment and I guess I either missed something or forget to do the right thing.
I love sharing my 'finds' with our community here and I see Wincustomize as 'the site' when it comes to OS Customization. But that does not mean we have to be a 'walled garden' and think that what is produced by this site is the 'be all and end all'. There are some fantastic things being produced by many artists in our area of enjoyment on other sites BUT and here is the crunch....not everybody has the time or inclination to search or even know where to go to find some of the outstanding works. Here's a classic example.....How many people have seen this Windowblind and suite WWW Link. I bet only five per cent of the community are aware of it's existance, if that. I like to think that Wincustomize is 'the leader and the hub' of the Customizing Community and as such is fully aware of what is going on in it's sphere of activity and is a shining example to many who can only follow in her wake.
I have never received a 'cease or desist' message from any artist on any work that I have done a 'little feature' on and some of those arists have actually taken the time to send a little message of appreciation. Several have actually joined this site as a result and have published their work here.
Still, my mother always taught me that humility is a good thing. In this case the rules of the site are there and there for a very good reason. I not only respect them but totally agree with them. The Moderators gave me the priviledge of Journeyman status a long time ago and with that goes a certain amount of respondsibilty and in this case I failed to live up to their expections or the high standards I set myself.
I love sharing my 'finds' with our community here and I see Wincustomize as 'the site' when it comes to OS Customization. But that does not mean we have to be a 'walled garden' and think that what is produced by this site is the 'be all and end all'. There are some fantastic things being produced by many artists in our area of enjoyment on other sites BUT and here is the crunch....not everybody has the time or inclination to search or even know where to go to find some of the outstanding works. Here's a classic example.....How many people have seen this Windowblind and suite WWW Link. I bet only five per cent of the community are aware of it's existance, if that. I like to think that Wincustomize is 'the leader and the hub' of the Customizing Community and as such is fully aware of what is going on in it's sphere of activity and is a shining example to many who can only follow in her wake.
I have never received a 'cease or desist' message from any artist on any work that I have done a 'little feature' on and some of those arists have actually taken the time to send a little message of appreciation. Several have actually joined this site as a result and have published their work here.
Still, my mother always taught me that humility is a good thing. In this case the rules of the site are there and there for a very good reason. I not only respect them but totally agree with them. The Moderators gave me the priviledge of Journeyman status a long time ago and with that goes a certain amount of respondsibilty and in this case I failed to live up to their expections or the high standards I set myself.
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Reply #1 Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:03 PM