An AllProgs Arrow trick fix.
Merry Christmas skinners.
Friday, December 14, 2007 by I.R. Brainiac | Discussion: WindowBlinds
EDIT...what I thought was a sure fix isnt as effective as first thought...it does help but isnt foolproof...you can still learn about how the left negative content margin works tho. 
Almost all skinners(and many users)are aware of the problems with using the allprogs arrow to cover the allprogs text area.NonEnglish systems damn near always get it misaligned because those systems have more text there.
Even substyles can be a pain because even a normal setup for this spot can get pushed around a bit.
I think I have the solution.It,s only been tested on Slider XP,and only on Hungarian and French languages.(thank you Bilbo and Quentin)
It's SUPER easy.Just assign a standard windows system font(arial 8) and set the font angle to 900.This will point the font straight up...then it wont matter how long it gets.
Arrow graphic must cover the background precisely or you will see classic mouseover color in places.
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I.R. Brainiac
Reply #25 Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:11 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:11 PM
Well after more testing...seems not all languages are fixed by this...Slider worked fine in French...No Load limit does not.
Couldnt find a sweet spot that satisfied French AND english.
-73 worked on English and hingarian...had to use -90 on French.
(for NLL)
And I really thought I had it nailed with this.
Couldnt find a sweet spot that satisfied French AND english.
-73 worked on English and hingarian...had to use -90 on French.
(for NLL)And I really thought I had it nailed with this.
tosbsas
Reply #27 Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:55 AM
Reply #27 Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:55 AM
That looks not like my skinstudio pro - allthough it says in Stardock Central skinstudio pro 6??
Ruben
Ruben
canmandeco
Reply #28 Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:45 AM
Reply #28 Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:45 AM
Thats version 5 in the screen shot. You can install both through SDC.
neophil78
Reply #29 Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:34 PM
Nope, -99 for french
(it's usually -30 less that the original version for french ...)
Reply #29 Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:34 PM
73 worked on English and hingarian...had to use -90 on French. (for NLL)
Nope, -99 for french
(it's usually -30 less that the original version for french ...)
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #30 Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:52 PM
Whatever works...Quentin said -90 worked on his system...its a lost cause to get one setting to work on all systems...dammit!
Reply #30 Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:52 PM
Nope, -99 for french
Whatever works...Quentin said -90 worked on his system...its a lost cause to get one setting to work on all systems...dammit!
neophil78
Reply #31 Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:14 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:14 PM
He's fairly right because -90 works on normal state button but not on mouseover ... 
vStyler
Reply #32 Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:21 PM
Maybe he has a different french accent... Bordeaux perhaps?
Reply #32 Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:21 PM
Whatever works...Quentin said -90 worked on his system
Maybe he has a different french accent... Bordeaux perhaps?
neophil78
Reply #34 Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:38 PM I was talking for Neutronium DM on XP SP2 home Edition (and not with a regional dialect 
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I did that WWW Link a few years ago for french specificities the -110 value i gave at this time was when toppanel where standardly width sized to 380 and both Program List and Places to 190 ...
Reply #34 Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:38 PM
I was talking for Neutronium DM on XP SP2 home Edition (and not with a regional dialect 
)I did that WWW Link a few years ago for french specificities
the -110 value i gave at this time was when toppanel where standardly width sized to 380 and both Program List and Places to 190 ...
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #35 Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:49 PM
Reply #35 Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:49 PM
Neutronium DM never had the fix (turning the font angle straight up)so it would need a diff number from NLL.The actual amount of negative offset would be different from blind to blind even if the trick worked.
Makes me mad that its pretty much useless now...the 'fix' was supposed to work on ALL languages...
Makes me mad that its pretty much useless now...the 'fix' was supposed to work on ALL languages...
Xiandi
Reply #36 Monday, April 7, 2008 6:32 PM
Reply #36 Monday, April 7, 2008 6:32 PM
Has anyone figured out how to do this in SKS6?? I believe it has to be a code you put in, but I have no clue what that would be...
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #37 Tuesday, April 8, 2008 1:25 AM
Reply #37 Tuesday, April 8, 2008 1:25 AM
Other than showing people what to adjust to get an allprogs arrow to re-align...this trick has bit the dust.
Font angle isnt really a sure fix that I had hoped it would be.(tho,at this time only french seems to be the exception)
Negative content margin for the background still aligns the arrow.(just remember to check large and small icons in the progs pane)
Font angle isnt really a sure fix that I had hoped it would be.(tho,at this time only french seems to be the exception)
Negative content margin for the background still aligns the arrow.(just remember to check large and small icons in the progs pane)
Daiwa
Reply #38 Saturday, July 5, 2008 12:59 PM
Reply #38 Saturday, July 5, 2008 12:59 PM
Looks like this setting is going to be specific to each skin, language and Start Panel design, if you want to skin the All Programs menu item button. That one can get it to work at all is a local miracle it appears.
The offset produces one effect which is annoying when using a right-edge vertical Taskbar, which happens to be my preference, of course.
Before I decided to clean up my All Programs menu (what a hash Windows default behavior makes of this - another story), the primary menu would fly open half way across the screen to the left of the Taskbar. I assumed this was because of the negative offset for the All Programs menu item button fooling the OS into thinking the left edge of the All Programs menu item button was out there & the menu was opening to the left of it (as you'd normally expect). Having let Windows Installer have its way with it, I also had such a huge primary menu that it took up 3 columns.
Once I cleaned up & categorized my All Programs menu & submenus, using short category names only for the primary menu folders and showing only those folders on the primary menu, the primary menu now opens off the right side of the All Programs menu item button where you'd expect it to, since it is narrower than the width of the Places pane of the Start Menu. If the folder names are long enough for the menu to end up wider than the Places pane, it will open off to the left, offset by the number of pixels designated in the All Programs menu item button attributes.
It appears this only affects right-edge vertical Taskbars (which makes sense), so if there are any other oddballs like me out there using a right-edge Taskbar, this information may prove useful.
That one can get it to work at all is a local miracle it appears.The offset produces one effect which is annoying when using a right-edge vertical Taskbar, which happens to be my preference, of course.
Before I decided to clean up my All Programs menu (what a hash Windows default behavior makes of this - another story), the primary menu would fly open half way across the screen to the left of the Taskbar. I assumed this was because of the negative offset for the All Programs menu item button fooling the OS into thinking the left edge of the All Programs menu item button was out there & the menu was opening to the left of it (as you'd normally expect). Having let Windows Installer have its way with it, I also had such a huge primary menu that it took up 3 columns.
Once I cleaned up & categorized my All Programs menu & submenus, using short category names only for the primary menu folders and showing only those folders on the primary menu, the primary menu now opens off the right side of the All Programs menu item button where you'd expect it to, since it is narrower than the width of the Places pane of the Start Menu. If the folder names are long enough for the menu to end up wider than the Places pane, it will open off to the left, offset by the number of pixels designated in the All Programs menu item button attributes.
It appears this only affects right-edge vertical Taskbars (which makes sense), so if there are any other oddballs like me out there using a right-edge Taskbar, this information may prove useful.
Daiwa
Reply #40 Saturday, July 5, 2008 3:46 PM
Some of us are more I.M. Braindead than others.
Once I had the button positioned where I wanted it, I long ago went off to other pursuits and didn't return to study the problem more until this lovely idle holiday weekend.
Reply #40 Saturday, July 5, 2008 3:46 PM
uhhhhh..er...DOH!
Some of us are more I.M. Braindead than others.Once I had the button positioned where I wanted it, I long ago went off to other pursuits and didn't return to study the problem more until this lovely idle holiday weekend.
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Reply #21 Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:31 AM
I've seen it look fine with one size but not the other til I tweaked it some more...then it worked for both.