Never Mind
Thursday, November 15, 2007 by Z71 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Removed by me. Didn't want to upset anyone.
Edit:
It was never my intention to harm Wincustomize or the community.
The matter has been discussed, by Zoomba and I, with a very "agreeable" compromise.
Thank you.
Edit:
It was never my intention to harm Wincustomize or the community.
The matter has been discussed, by Zoomba and I, with a very "agreeable" compromise.
Thank you.
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vStyler
Reply #3 Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:58 PM
Reply #3 Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:58 PM
Hmm.. WC is letting you advertise? Interesting. 
I also sell my skins on my own site prior to uploading them as Master skins.. I just don't blatently spam WC with them. Kinda cutting Stardock out of the loop eh? Not too classy imo.
I also sell my skins on my own site prior to uploading them as Master skins.. I just don't blatently spam WC with them. Kinda cutting Stardock out of the loop eh? Not too classy imo.
GregII
Reply #4 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:20 PM
Reply #4 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:20 PM
No one is interested in your opinion. Excellent, as always! Keep 'em coming! Thanks.
vStyler
Reply #5 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:21 PM
Don't speak for others please.
Reply #5 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:21 PM
No one is interested in your opinion.
Don't speak for others please.
vStyler
Reply #6 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:32 PM
I don't think anyone is upset.. certainly not me..and if it's within the site policy by all means advertise all you want, I was merely looking for clarification, If all I need to do is advertise my work here.. then I wouldn't need to share revenue with Stardock. The Master skin program is a trade off.. traffic in return for a portion of the profits.. by advertising the skin here your cutting them completely out of the deal.. keeping all profits and I'm sure your well aware of that.
To me..using WC to promote your work and taking all profits is wrong, period.
Reply #6 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:32 PM
Removed by me. Didn't want to upset anyone.
Was going to upload the WB by itself. Have to rethink it now. Thanks for the support.
Was going to upload the WB by itself. Have to rethink it now. Thanks for the support.
I don't think anyone is upset.. certainly not me..and if it's within the site policy by all means advertise all you want, I was merely looking for clarification, If all I need to do is advertise my work here.. then I wouldn't need to share revenue with Stardock. The Master skin program is a trade off.. traffic in return for a portion of the profits.. by advertising the skin here your cutting them completely out of the deal.. keeping all profits and I'm sure your well aware of that.
To me..using WC to promote your work and taking all profits is wrong, period.
Z71
Reply #7 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:44 PM
Reply #7 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:44 PM
No, you're right vStyler. Just wasn't thing. First time I've ever done this. (Yes, that's the truth!).
I'll have to talk with Zoomba about this. Thank God, I didn't make this into an article. They probably would have banned me.
I just realized, every time I put up a link to my website, I'm acually spamming. hmmm...
I'll have to talk with Zoomba about this. Thank God, I didn't make this into an article. They probably would have banned me.
I just realized, every time I put up a link to my website, I'm acually spamming. hmmm...
DigitalCHET
Reply #8 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:46 PM
I don't see how that cuts Stardock out of the loop. It was a WindowBlinds theme after all.
AFAIK, master skinners aren't obligated to sell skins on WC, it's simply a way to contribute while distributing their works. You're not exactly locked into a contract or forced to sell your wares only on WC.
I personally find it useful when skinners inform the general community of work they've completed. As long as it's not overdone I think it's fine, IMHO.
The emphasis is on using the site to inform rather than spam blatant advertising.
Reply #8 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:46 PM
Kinda cutting Stardock out of the loop eh?
I don't see how that cuts Stardock out of the loop. It was a WindowBlinds theme after all.
AFAIK, master skinners aren't obligated to sell skins on WC, it's simply a way to contribute while distributing their works. You're not exactly locked into a contract or forced to sell your wares only on WC.
I personally find it useful when skinners inform the general community of work they've completed. As long as it's not overdone I think it's fine, IMHO.
The emphasis is on using the site to inform rather than spam blatant advertising.
Z71
Reply #9 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:55 PM
It cuts both ways, I guess. Sure I get to sell my skin, but they need "Stardock Windowblinds and Iconpackager" to run it. So, they make money, also.
And God knows, I've never given anything to Stardock or the community...I'm cheap that way.
That's a joke people.....come on...
Reply #9 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:55 PM
I don't see how that cuts Stardock out of the loop. It was a WindowBlinds theme after all.
It cuts both ways, I guess. Sure I get to sell my skin, but they need "Stardock Windowblinds and Iconpackager" to run it. So, they make money, also.
And God knows, I've never given anything to Stardock or the community...I'm cheap that way.
That's a joke people.....come on...
vStyler
Reply #10 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:56 PM
Stardock im positive would see it differently. I realize that we are not obligated to sell as master skins on WC. However.. We are also not entitled to use WC as our own personal advertising outlet. if that were the case, I'd like some free infomercials on TV.. in theory.. it is no different.
As far as not "overdoing it" Thats a grey line.. If all I did was advertise each theme I completed one time.. then obviously thats at the low end of "doing it" but its spamming neverthless.. Being in business for oneself by way of a website requires one to be creative in driving traffic to such site but announcing your wares on a website without paying for the privelage is unnaceptable in most circles. If advertising was free..this country would fall apart.
Thats fine, and most welcomed for free work.. but any kind of announcement of something one has to pay for IS advertising \ Spam.
I feel the same way.. but still people would buy Stardock products anyway.. just because we have contributed for free in the past ( and still do ) does not warrant free advertising. I assume that from Stardocks point of view.. awarding you master status is payment enough for past endeavours.
Look I didn't mean to jump your case, the only reason I even said anything was because I have to abide by this too.
Reply #10 Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:56 PM
I don't see how that cuts Stardock out of the loop.
Stardock im positive would see it differently. I realize that we are not obligated to sell as master skins on WC. However.. We are also not entitled to use WC as our own personal advertising outlet. if that were the case, I'd like some free infomercials on TV.. in theory.. it is no different.
As far as not "overdoing it" Thats a grey line.. If all I did was advertise each theme I completed one time.. then obviously thats at the low end of "doing it" but its spamming neverthless.. Being in business for oneself by way of a website requires one to be creative in driving traffic to such site but announcing your wares on a website without paying for the privelage is unnaceptable in most circles. If advertising was free..this country would fall apart.
using the site to inform rather than spam blatant advertising.
Thats fine, and most welcomed for free work.. but any kind of announcement of something one has to pay for IS advertising \ Spam.
And God knows, I've never given anything to Stardock or the community...I'm cheap that way.
I feel the same way.. but still people would buy Stardock products anyway.. just because we have contributed for free in the past ( and still do ) does not warrant free advertising. I assume that from Stardocks point of view.. awarding you master status is payment enough for past endeavours.
Look I didn't mean to jump your case, the only reason I even said anything was because I have to abide by this too.
WOM
Reply #12 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:07 PM
Reply #12 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:07 PM
The way I see it is....You can sell your skins on your site Stardocks site and both. I don't think they would like you to sell on your site and advertise here. If your selling on both sites, I don't think they would still want you to advertise your site here as that would cut into their share. So I would believe that advertising on WC to sell your skins on your site would be frowned on. But thats my opinion.
Z71
Reply #13 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:07 PM
Besides, it's been awhile since I've screwed up....so I was do...
Reply #13 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:07 PM
Look I didn't mean to jump your case, the only reason I even said anything was because I have to abide by this too.
No, you're right vStyler. Just wasn't thing.
I'll have to talk with Zoomba about this.
Besides, it's been awhile since I've screwed up....so I was do...
GregII
Reply #14 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:13 PM
Reply #14 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:13 PM
It's no different than Winstep Xtreme putting out an article everytime there is an update. It has nothing to do with Stardock. This is a skinning community.
vStyler
Reply #15 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:20 PM
Winstep doesn't.. Stardock does.
Reply #15 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:20 PM
It's no different than Winstep Xtreme putting out an article everytime there is an update.
Winstep doesn't.. Stardock does.
GregII
Reply #16 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:26 PM
Reply #16 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:26 PM
Wrong again. Winstep Xtreme does. And has for years.
Philly0381
Reply #17 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:31 PM
Reply #17 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:31 PM
So far this has remained a mature and intelligent discussion/conversation between community members. What's important to remember is we will all have opinions, doesn't matter. What does matter is what is Stardock's policy.
Look on the good side, no one had to get a forum moderator or Stardock rep. It was handled as it should of been.
Z71, good looking blind and icons.
Look on the good side, no one had to get a forum moderator or Stardock rep. It was handled as it should of been.
Z71, good looking blind and icons.
vStyler
Reply #18 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:34 PM
As far as I remember every main page article has been posted by Zoomba or someone from Stardock. Care to show me? I don't mind being wrong at all.. when I am.
Reply #18 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:34 PM
Winstep Xtreme does. And has for years.
As far as I remember every main page article has been posted by Zoomba or someone from Stardock. Care to show me? I don't mind being wrong at all.. when I am.
Z71, good looking blind and icons.
Z71
Reply #19 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:42 PM
Winstep Xtreme
JCRabbit, owns Winstep Xtreme. Sorry...
But that doesn't make what I did right.
Reply #19 Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:42 PM
Care to show me?
Winstep Xtreme
JCRabbit, owns Winstep Xtreme. Sorry...
But that doesn't make what I did right.
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Reply #1 Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 PM
bought it!