Never Mind
Thursday, November 15, 2007 by Z71 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Edit:
It was never my intention to harm Wincustomize or the community.
The matter has been discussed, by Zoomba and I, with a very "agreeable" compromise.
Thank you.
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Reply #122 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:11 PM
Reply #123 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:11 PM
Id like the stardock admin to answer this.
Reply #124 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:15 PM
I am asking the staff not you why its called a community skin when its cleary a maxstyles skin.
I also stated at the start that its not personal against you. And it still isnt.
the topic is still about advertising...........
Reply #125 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:21 PM
why he never ask me
'well back to serious mode'
Kitty please keep the topic in mind, it's not only about maxstyles it's about master skinners and their sites...
Moreover, Zoomba answer this question before in this tread:
Reply #126 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:24 PM
Reply #127 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:25 PM
talking about create suites can be done without talking about it in forums they can (and i'm sure they do) talk about them share ideas on msn emails for example.. it's still a community work even if it's a team work.
Reply #128 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:30 PM
From Zoomba:
The thread is about what is and isn't OK to post on WinCustomize; forums, news, skins etc. that might border on the edge of unacceptable advertising or spam. Do Masters get a bit of leeway? Can non-masters sell their stuff on outside sites and advertise it here in the forums? What are the limits? What's fair to both the community at large, and the skinners who have contributed free work for years?
To all: Please drop the "he said, she said" and other various attacks. The original topic of discussion was very interesting and relevant to how WinCustomize handles Master Skinning and outside sales sites going forward. I think a lot of people have very valuable input into the subject and have a stake in what is decided.
If the thread continues to steer away from the core topic and towards attacks and insults, I'll have to close the thread.
Anything off-topic gets this thread locked. 'nuf said.
Reply #129 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:37 PM
is that what your saying quentin?..............GIVE ME STRENGTH
im so sick of this being ignored and swept under the carpet like im a raving lunatic. Why am I always the one will balls to hold the fight for a cause that has been overlooked and obviously
unoticed by the community.
Harmony was not free......... yet it was promoted as a community skin, *for the community by the community* no. it was a maxstyles skin, by people who are part of the maxstyles team, not the community.
to me, it is advertising.
Reply #131 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:39 PM
Thank you.
Post locked by me as the matter has been resolved and the topic has strayed.
Reply #132 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:44 PM
That was me , and he didn't say no as much as he said they had a Winamp skinner 'on staff'. I gave it up , you'd better too.
Reply #133 Friday, November 16, 2007 6:01 PM
This is quite true.
It has only been a fairly short time that Wincustomize.com and its 'Masters' have had the opportunity to sell their works onsite...so the community dynamics will likely be affected.
There was a time [not all that long ago]...on various sites that were Frogboy even to post the most innocent of comment....IF it included the word 'Windowblinds' [or similar] it was decried as 'filthy rotten capitalistic-pig spam'. [I kid you not].
Then on one particular site....a little while later...if Pixtudio dared to post ANY comment it was 'clearly' promoting skin commercialism when "everyone knew" that skinning should be free!!!
It's taken years for it to be 'mostly' accepted that skinning is no different to any other creative enterprise....that is...along with its maturation comes the potential for commercial endeavour.
The more this becomes evident the more it is accepted as the norm.
Here...today...we have one inoccuous thread that has brought the current status quo into question/debate once more.
The only real issue here is A: will onsite promotions of offsite commercial works be detrimental to the Masters' commercial opportunities [and thus also Wincusto's financial gain]?
and
B: will such lead to a proliferation of same which could be termed 'spam'?
The answer to these I believe is 'no'. Cross-promotion will simply be the 'tide that raises all ships', and any threat of degeneration into 'spam' that may be seen as unwelcome within the community/forum can be 'moderated' by the Admins as is currently done with the genuinely unwarranted spam [eg Nike runners, etc].
The value of this thread is hearing from affected/concerned fellow skinners [of all rankings].
But...
Let's talk about skin commercialism and its advertising onsite...not about what may/may not classify as a 'community skin'. THAT can have its own thread...
Reply #134 Friday, November 16, 2007 6:05 PM
I'm unlocking this...as I was in the midst of typing and it looks quite 'odd' as the end of a locked thread....
Kitty has opened the 'divergent' topic in a new thread...so all 'should' be well now with this remaining ontrack....
Reply #135 Friday, November 16, 2007 6:09 PM
Reply #136 Friday, November 16, 2007 6:20 PM
........ Have a moderator in charge of Master Skins and allow anybody to submit skins to this category which they feel are worthy Master Skins. This section would be for commercial work and 'paid for' skins only and the submission can be either by the Skinner or someone who feels the work is worthy of note. The Moderator can then decide if it is indeed that good and can then put it up in the Master Skins gallery.This way everybody wins and has the same opportunities.
I don't forsee this as an issue for Stardock because the more quality skins that are around for their software, the better.
Reply #137 Friday, November 16, 2007 6:25 PM
This already done via the promotions.
I have seen some self professed Masters over the years and believe me when I say they were not even close to making Master quality work.
Reply #138 Friday, November 16, 2007 7:00 PM
Reply #139 Friday, November 16, 2007 7:04 PM
for crying out loud! this thread has evolved into a thread of anger faster than any i have seen in recent history. personally, i don't really care if harmony was what some of you folks consider a 'community' skin or not. i bought the thing because i liked it. i saw a few posts regarding harmony where certain skinners asked if they could skin a certain app for harmony and was told there was somebody else already working on one but that he/she could make one if he/she wanted to. i think if somebody wants to skin an app to match a certain blind, the skinner who made the original blind should have final say as to whether or not the secondary skin gets released. it doesn't matter if the original skinner is pixelpirate, dani, mike, hippy, vstyler, snowman, treetog, nighttrain, or anyone else. the original skiiner should have some input concerning the quality of the secondary skin since it's his/her images and ideas that are being used.
personally, i don't see a problem with z71 posting here about his suite. that is my opinion. but thten again, i dont' 'see how anyone can justify lamblasting vstyler the way it has been done in this thread. i'd say the same thing if it was nighttrain, pixel, dani, fairry, kittymalone, bug, snowman, treetog, wom, or anyone else who might be on the receiving end of this foolishness. the personal attacks are completely out of line and need to stop.
Reply #140 Friday, November 16, 2007 7:14 PM
Read what I said again. "There's nothing wrong with advertising, but there's a time and place and I don't believe this messageboard is it"
What I said was personal opinion (I'm allowed to have one, aren't I...?) and has nothing to do with site policy on who or what is allowed, that is nothing to do with me
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Reply #121 Friday, November 16, 2007 5:09 PM