Linux News: Red Hat's Fedora 8
Thursday, November 8, 2007 by Philly0381 | Discussion: Personal Computing
Okay, so the non-Linux user has come across some more articles about this upstart OS that wants you to consider it as an alternative to Windows and Apple. But it's not about Ubuntu, but one of their other versions Red Hat Fedora and it's soon to be released vesion 8. What, no cute name. What are they thinking?
The articles/stories were found on c/net News.com.
Red Hat's Fedora 8 hope: An all-purpose Linux foundation
Over the years, Red Hat's Fedora has made a name for itself as a version of Linux for enthusiasts, developers, and those who want to try the latest thing in open-source software. But a curious feature of the new version 8, to be released Thursday, is the ability to strip out the Fedora identity altogether.
WWW Link
A peek at Red Hat's Fedora 8 Linux
Screenshots: A peek at Red Hat's Fedora 8 Linux. Red Hat's Fedora 8 version of Linux is set to debut Thursday, the latest version of a product line geared for enthusiasts, programmers, and Linux users who want to get a taste of what's to come in the supported Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Features in the new Fedora include better handling of printers, a graphical firewall management tool, and a policy kit that eases some administration tasks. In addition, Fedora 8 can more easily be de-branded so others can use it as a foundation on which to build their own variations.
WWW Link
So, come on Linux folks, lets see/hear some comments. Well, actually the rest of the pack can comment also. Interested on hearing if Linux is making moves on the big two. I think you do have to admit that there is an alternative, the masses might not think much of it and more than likely will find fault with Linux. They may not be knocking at the door yet but they are on the walk leading up to it.
The articles/stories were found on c/net News.com.
Red Hat's Fedora 8 hope: An all-purpose Linux foundation
Over the years, Red Hat's Fedora has made a name for itself as a version of Linux for enthusiasts, developers, and those who want to try the latest thing in open-source software. But a curious feature of the new version 8, to be released Thursday, is the ability to strip out the Fedora identity altogether.
WWW Link
A peek at Red Hat's Fedora 8 Linux
Screenshots: A peek at Red Hat's Fedora 8 Linux. Red Hat's Fedora 8 version of Linux is set to debut Thursday, the latest version of a product line geared for enthusiasts, programmers, and Linux users who want to get a taste of what's to come in the supported Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Features in the new Fedora include better handling of printers, a graphical firewall management tool, and a policy kit that eases some administration tasks. In addition, Fedora 8 can more easily be de-branded so others can use it as a foundation on which to build their own variations.
WWW Link
So, come on Linux folks, lets see/hear some comments. Well, actually the rest of the pack can comment also. Interested on hearing if Linux is making moves on the big two. I think you do have to admit that there is an alternative, the masses might not think much of it and more than likely will find fault with Linux. They may not be knocking at the door yet but they are on the walk leading up to it.
tjesterb
Reply #2 Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:32 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:32 PM
So far every mirror I've hit has been down. Oh, well. Maybe in a few days.
By the way, it's code named "Werewolf" Beats the heck out of a gibbon, or goat, or whatever they're calling that other thing.
By the way, it's code named "Werewolf" Beats the heck out of a gibbon, or goat, or whatever they're calling that other thing.
tjesterb
Reply #3 Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:30 PM
Reply #3 Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:30 PM
OK, found a good mirror and got the image downloaded, burned, and installed.
First impressions (compared to OpenSuse 10.3):
Good: Install time, much faster
Bad: no choice of KDE/Gnome during install process(default is Gnome, I have a slight preference for KDE)
Good: Installer "saw" my other drives (Suse did not) and allowed me to mount them after the install was complete
Bad: CPU usage is running very high, causing a lot of unnecessary lag. A view of the running processes doesn't show anything using more than 10%, but a view of the CPU history shows spikes in the 50% to 100% range simply by moving a window around. Still investigating this one. (Mason, feel free to offer advice here....)
Good, YUM and available RPMs beats YAST updater hands down.
These are just first impressions. I'll try to post something more complete after getting it set up. Assuming CPU usage issue can be resolved soon. I'm watching both CPU cores spike to 100% by doing nothing more than type this. Weird.
Fast US FTP mirror: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora
I was able to download the 3.2 GB iso in about 90 minutes.
First impressions (compared to OpenSuse 10.3):
Good: Install time, much faster
Bad: no choice of KDE/Gnome during install process(default is Gnome, I have a slight preference for KDE)
Good: Installer "saw" my other drives (Suse did not) and allowed me to mount them after the install was complete
Bad: CPU usage is running very high, causing a lot of unnecessary lag. A view of the running processes doesn't show anything using more than 10%, but a view of the CPU history shows spikes in the 50% to 100% range simply by moving a window around. Still investigating this one. (Mason, feel free to offer advice here....)
Good, YUM and available RPMs beats YAST updater hands down.
These are just first impressions. I'll try to post something more complete after getting it set up. Assuming CPU usage issue can be resolved soon. I'm watching both CPU cores spike to 100% by doing nothing more than type this. Weird.
Fast US FTP mirror: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora
I was able to download the 3.2 GB iso in about 90 minutes.
Philly0381
Reply #4 Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:38 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:38 PM
Thanks for the update tjesterb. Are you running this on a computer as stand alone or dual boot?
tjesterb
Reply #5 Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:51 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:51 PM
Sort of dual-boot. Win XP installed on one drive (with a second NTFS drive for storage), Linux installed to second drive. I choose which one to boot into by changing priority n BIOS.
I left the machine alone and after a few minutes with nothing running, the CPU usage has finally settled down. I'll run some applications and see what happens.
**Edit: as soon as I typed that, I watched both cores jump back up to running between 50-70% usage for a few minutes, then fall back to 2-3% with nothing running, and me not touching the machine (typing this from my Windows laptop.)
I left the machine alone and after a few minutes with nothing running, the CPU usage has finally settled down. I'll run some applications and see what happens.
**Edit: as soon as I typed that, I watched both cores jump back up to running between 50-70% usage for a few minutes, then fall back to 2-3% with nothing running, and me not touching the machine (typing this from my Windows laptop.)
Philly0381
Reply #6 Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:02 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:02 PM
Sure sounds like something is running in the background. 
SanChonino
Reply #7 Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:14 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:14 PM
Huh. Hope you figure out what's causing that, tjesterb. I'd like to give the new fedora a shot. I really like Ubuntu, but I get tired of trying to get all my codecs in a line. Supposedly fedora comes with it all already, so that would be a definite benefit.
kona0197
Reply #8 Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:49 PM
Reply #8 Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:49 PM
I've been using Fedora for years. Love it. I'm still dabbling with Fedora 7. Those CPU spikes worry me as I have a Pentium 4 single core CPU.
tjesterb
Reply #9 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:27 AM
Reply #9 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:27 AM
I applied all my Windows troubleshooting expertise and rebooted, applied the latest system updates, and rebooted again.
CPU usage is running about what I would expect, and no unexplained spikes.
and rebooted, applied the latest system updates, and rebooted again.CPU usage is running about what I would expect, and no unexplained spikes.
MasonM
Reply #10 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:01 AM
Reply #10 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:01 AM
Slackware is the way to go!
Seriously though, if you like Fedora use it. I find it a bit bloated and slow for my tastes, but to each his own.
Yeah, the codename is a smart way to choose a distro.
Seriously though, if you like Fedora use it. I find it a bit bloated and slow for my tastes, but to each his own.
By the way, it's code named "Werewolf" Beats the heck out of a gibbon, or goat, or whatever they're calling that other thing.
Yeah, the codename is a smart way to choose a distro.
XX
Reply #12 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:55 AM
Reply #12 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:55 AM
It's nothing new. All Windows versions have a codename. Anyone remember Black Comb? 
Well or Long Horn?
Well or Long Horn?
kona0197
Reply #13 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:31 AM
Reply #13 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:31 AM
Or Whistler. All the code names come from a mountain range up in Canada if I recall correctly.
tjesterb
Reply #14 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:44 PM
Yeah, the codename is a smart way to choose a distro.
That was supposed to be a joke. Must not have come across the way I intended.
Reply #14 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:44 PM
Yeah, the codename is a smart way to choose a distro.
That was supposed to be a joke. Must not have come across the way I intended.
SanChonino
Reply #15 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:47 PM
Reply #15 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:47 PM
In the realm of Linux news . . .
I'm sure you've all heard of the ASUS eeePCs, right? Little itty bitty notebooks with 7" screens and solid-state memory. Very small, very, very cool - especially for the price (250-400 bucks, depending on the memory and a couple of features).
They've got a specially designed Linux distro of their own making on it. With the gPCs and the eeePCs coming along with really low prices and functionality that will please average Joe end user, maybe it'll help make Linux more mainstream.
I'm sure you've all heard of the ASUS eeePCs, right? Little itty bitty notebooks with 7" screens and solid-state memory. Very small, very, very cool - especially for the price (250-400 bucks, depending on the memory and a couple of features).
They've got a specially designed Linux distro of their own making on it. With the gPCs and the eeePCs coming along with really low prices and functionality that will please average Joe end user, maybe it'll help make Linux more mainstream.
Philly0381
Reply #16 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:11 PM
From an outsider, talking about me, Linux will always have a problem becoming main stream as an open source OS. There's no single company or corporation pushing it as is the case with of the two other pay for OS companies.
Another problem is the Linux folks seem to be way too laid back. It would seem, atleast from the posts here on this forum, that for the most part it makes not real difference to you if people switch to Linux or not. Linux users have made their choice and have moved on, which sure isn't what the others have done. It's a constant mine is better than yours discussion.
Reply #16 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:11 PM
maybe it'll help make Linux more mainstream.
From an outsider, talking about me, Linux will always have a problem becoming main stream as an open source OS. There's no single company or corporation pushing it as is the case with of the two other pay for OS companies.
Another problem is the Linux folks seem to be way too laid back. It would seem, atleast from the posts here on this forum, that for the most part it makes not real difference to you if people switch to Linux or not. Linux users have made their choice and have moved on, which sure isn't what the others have done. It's a constant mine is better than yours discussion.
SanChonino
Reply #17 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:46 PM
The Linux folks HERE are like that, but that's because most of them are at WINcustomize, which means they're usually dual-booters (like myself). Those of us who are at JoeUser are just a laid-back group all together.
Go to a Linux fanboi site, though, and you'll have some of the most virulent infighting out there - just as bad (if not worse and more snobbish) than Windows and Mac guys.
Reply #17 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:46 PM
Another problem is the Linux folks seem to be way too laid back. It would seem, atleast from the posts here on this forum, that for the most part it makes not real difference to you if people switch to Linux or not. Linux users have made their choice and have moved on, which sure isn't what the others have done. It's a constant mine is better than yours discussion.
The Linux folks HERE are like that, but that's because most of them are at WINcustomize, which means they're usually dual-booters (like myself). Those of us who are at JoeUser are just a laid-back group all together.
Go to a Linux fanboi site, though, and you'll have some of the most virulent infighting out there - just as bad (if not worse and more snobbish) than Windows and Mac guys.
Philly0381
Reply #18 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:19 PM
Wow SanChonio didn't realize that. I've been kind of thinking that I would like to try a dual boot on my XP Home box. No real reason other than to take a look at Linux and I have nothing better to do with my time.
Where would I start looking on the web for help to to do this?
Reply #18 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:19 PM
Go to a Linux fanboi site, though, and you'll have some of the most virulent infighting out there - just as bad (if not worse and more snobbish) than Windows and Mac guys.
Wow SanChonio didn't realize that. I've been kind of thinking that I would like to try a dual boot on my XP Home box. No real reason other than to take a look at Linux and I have nothing better to do with my time.
Where would I start looking on the web for help to to do this?
SanChonino
Reply #19 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:02 PM
I like the dual-boot. For a while, I did straight Ubuntu, but I needed to use a certain Windows-only periphery, so you know how it is . . .
I'd either go to the fedora forums (which I'm not very familiar with, since I haven't used fedora before), or the Ubuntu Forums, in the "Absolute Beginners" section. You'll be able to decide if it's worth your while.
I love it. I won't lie. And once you start, it's rather addictive.
Reply #19 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:02 PM
Where would I start looking on the web for help to to do this?
I like the dual-boot. For a while, I did straight Ubuntu, but I needed to use a certain Windows-only periphery, so you know how it is . . .
I'd either go to the fedora forums (which I'm not very familiar with, since I haven't used fedora before), or the Ubuntu Forums, in the "Absolute Beginners" section. You'll be able to decide if it's worth your while.
I love it. I won't lie. And once you start, it's rather addictive.
jamespaulp
Reply #20 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:47 PM
Reply #20 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:47 PM
I use Suse because every other distro failed with my complex network and weird devices (RF keyboard connected to KVM switch...)
I think I know what is causing this problem. Which video card are you using? Get the driver for the card and enable hardware acceleration.
Bad: CPU usage is running very high, causing a lot of unnecessary lag. A view of the running processes doesn't show anything using more than 10%, but a view of the CPU history shows spikes in the 50% to 100% range simply by moving a window around.
I think I know what is causing this problem. Which video card are you using? Get the driver for the card and enable hardware acceleration.
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Reply #1 Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:20 PM