Talk me out of an iPod touch!
Sunday, September 30, 2007 by IRaidedTheFridge | Discussion: Personal Computing
So while I respected the 'coolness' of the ipod touch, I didn't think much of it because of its lack of storage. But today, I walked into best buy and played with one, and WOW are those things cool!! I mean seriously... I don't know how they do it in such a tiny package. My girlfriend's going to kill me for buying one, but I'm just going to sulk around until I do. 
Anybody else have one yet?
Anybody else have one yet?
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starkers
Reply #3 Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:56 AM
Reply #3 Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:56 AM
Me either...and neither will you once you've read how Apple are junking out folks iPhones with updates that render them inoperable because they wanted to use a different provider.
If Apple is prepared to trash folks phones for wanting to use THEIR purchases as they see fit, what's to say they won't trash your iPod for listening to non-iPod toons.
I have a AU$37.00 MP3 player that doesn't have a fancy pants touchpad, nor any bells or whistles that make me or it stand out in the crowd, but it serves my portable sound needs perfectly...and I didn't have to rob a bank or embezzle Treasury funds to get it...guess that makes it a good buy.
If Apple is prepared to trash folks phones for wanting to use THEIR purchases as they see fit, what's to say they won't trash your iPod for listening to non-iPod toons.
I have a AU$37.00 MP3 player that doesn't have a fancy pants touchpad, nor any bells or whistles that make me or it stand out in the crowd, but it serves my portable sound needs perfectly...and I didn't have to rob a bank or embezzle Treasury funds to get it...guess that makes it a good buy.
kaazz1337
Reply #4 Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:09 AM
Reply #4 Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:09 AM
I have an mp4.2gb. It sounds quality simpley suck. 
It only have 2gb, my music is atleast 4gb sspace. So I'm trying to see some prices of a nice iPod, but ofcourse yet ? I dont have money for it.
It only have 2gb, my music is atleast 4gb sspace. So I'm trying to see some prices of a nice iPod, but ofcourse yet ? I dont have money for it.
starkers
Reply #5 Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:21 AM
Yeah, but how many GB of music can you listen to at once....my MP3 player is only 1 gig (60+ gb of music on my PC), but that's enough for an average day and it doesn't take long to refresh the playlist.
And to think, by going inexpensive but quite adequate, I've been able to expand my music collection considerably with the cash I saved not getting a hyped up, new-fangled iPod gadget that costs more than what my grandparents paid for their house....bloody ridiculous.
Reply #5 Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:21 AM
It only have 2gb, my music is atleast 4gb sspace.
Yeah, but how many GB of music can you listen to at once....my MP3 player is only 1 gig (60+ gb of music on my PC), but that's enough for an average day and it doesn't take long to refresh the playlist.
And to think, by going inexpensive but quite adequate, I've been able to expand my music collection considerably with the cash I saved not getting a hyped up, new-fangled iPod gadget that costs more than what my grandparents paid for their house....bloody ridiculous.
grorgy
Reply #6 Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:38 AM
Reply #6 Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:38 AM
After discovering that apple rather sneakily install extra install files all over the place on your computer i have completely removed every trace of apple i could find on my PC. Took a while and meant going off to get quicktime alternative and I lost a few songs I had bought from Itunes (but never really listened to anyway)but it made me feel heaps better 
starkers
Reply #7 Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:40 AM
I dunno where it came from (being it was a clean XP install) but I came across quickime and an iTunes folder on my machine a couple of years back....was a bastard to get rid of as well. Took umpteen unsuccessful uninstall attempts in 'add remove programs; cleaning out all Apple registry references; using an uninstall tool from Apple, and manually deleting related folders/files.
No matter what I did, it would be running in systray at the next reboot....another clean install was my next move, 'til a friend came to my aid, killed all the processes first, thus allowing a trouble free removal....still, crap software and a pain in the arse.
Reply #7 Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:40 AM
Took a while and meant going off to get quicktime alternative
I dunno where it came from (being it was a clean XP install) but I came across quickime and an iTunes folder on my machine a couple of years back....was a bastard to get rid of as well. Took umpteen unsuccessful uninstall attempts in 'add remove programs; cleaning out all Apple registry references; using an uninstall tool from Apple, and manually deleting related folders/files.
No matter what I did, it would be running in systray at the next reboot....another clean install was my next move, 'til a friend came to my aid, killed all the processes first, thus allowing a trouble free removal....still, crap software and a pain in the arse.
IRaidedTheFridge
Reply #8 Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:52 AM
Reply #8 Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:52 AM
Yeah, I freaking hate itunes. Especially since I just got all of my music perfectly organized in wmp. I'd be willing to mess with it though if I had the ipod touch. Whoever did the interface for it needs a pat on the back for making it so intuitive! I just wish it had more memory 
HG_Eliminator
Reply #9 Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:26 AM
Reply #9 Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:26 AM
thing looks sweet... even the tutorial videos are nice....i would get one but only when theres more space on the HDD.. Il see how this whole trashing stuff plays out in view of the recent IPhone fiasco... which seems not restricted to just phones that were hacked.... If they did it on purpose.. my I pod 5th gen will have been my last Apple purchase...
Island Dog
Reply #10 Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:58 AM
The iPhone is made for AT&T, so Apple really is "junking" people out of anything except to abide by the service that they signed a deal with. There are many phones on the market that are only available for specfiic providers, so Apple is really no different.
No, but I have an iPhone, and I don't think you would regret the purchase.
Reply #10 Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:58 AM
Me either...and neither will you once you've read how Apple are junking out folks iPhones with updates that render them inoperable because they wanted to use a different provider.
The iPhone is made for AT&T, so Apple really is "junking" people out of anything except to abide by the service that they signed a deal with. There are many phones on the market that are only available for specfiic providers, so Apple is really no different.
My girlfriend's going to kill me for buying one, but I'm just going to sulk around until I do. Anybody else have one yet?
No, but I have an iPhone, and I don't think you would regret the purchase.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #11 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:03 PM
not sure about the contracts but do they require the phone be exclusively used for ATT if contract is ended? what if after the contract they want to take their phone to Verizon? I mean there plenty of unlocked phones (almost every phone has an unlocked version out there) you can use with most any provider. but for a corp thats not even the Service provider to possibly intentionally fry a $600 item just to limit it's use, I think would be against the law, strong arm tactics or something. Like another member observed, what if they start doing this to Ipods to block usage unless the music was purchased through Itunes? Im not saying it was intentional but it sure is peculiar. Not to mention it seems to have screwed unhacked phones as well...
Il be keeping tabs on this as it unfolds...
Reply #11 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:03 PM
The iPhone is made for AT&T, so Apple really is "junking" people out of anything except to abide by the service that they signed a deal with. There are many phones on the market that are only available for specfiic providers, so Apple is really no different.
not sure about the contracts but do they require the phone be exclusively used for ATT if contract is ended? what if after the contract they want to take their phone to Verizon? I mean there plenty of unlocked phones (almost every phone has an unlocked version out there) you can use with most any provider. but for a corp thats not even the Service provider to possibly intentionally fry a $600 item just to limit it's use, I think would be against the law, strong arm tactics or something. Like another member observed, what if they start doing this to Ipods to block usage unless the music was purchased through Itunes? Im not saying it was intentional but it sure is peculiar. Not to mention it seems to have screwed unhacked phones as well...
Il be keeping tabs on this as it unfolds...
OckhamsRazor
Reply #12 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:14 PM
Reply #12 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:14 PM
Warning - here's your reason not to buy an iPhone. Objectionable content within (but it's pretty funny)
Maddox's take on the iPhone
Maddox's take on the iPhone
Astyanax
Reply #13 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:15 PM
Reply #13 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:15 PM
If you buy the new iPod you will be forced to use iTunes with it. You won't be able to use other things like Winamp...etc. This is something they are going to be inforcing on the new iPods.
Wait till December and check out the new Zunes, if they arent good then i'd get a Creative.
Wait till December and check out the new Zunes, if they arent good then i'd get a Creative.
Gideon MacLeish
Reply #14 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:28 PM
Reply #14 Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:28 PM
What gets me is the people who are the biggest tools for Apple are the ones who complain about the alleged Microsoft monopoly. Then they buy Apple products, thinking they're somehow liberated, without even beginning to realize they've pretty much bought into indentured servitude to a frickin' FRUIT!
If you like Apple, great! Everyone should have freedom of choice! But you shouldn't go around looking down on everyone else because they choose differently.
The iPhone looks like a truly sweet gadget, and I can't wait until good knockoffs hit the market. But I'm not a fan of proprietary devices, so I'm not likely to buy one, even when the AT&T contract wears out. I can't buy one currently, of course, because Cingulair refuses to service our market, but even when it becomes available, I'll probably pass.
If you like Apple, great! Everyone should have freedom of choice! But you shouldn't go around looking down on everyone else because they choose differently.
The iPhone looks like a truly sweet gadget, and I can't wait until good knockoffs hit the market. But I'm not a fan of proprietary devices, so I'm not likely to buy one, even when the AT&T contract wears out. I can't buy one currently, of course, because Cingulair refuses to service our market, but even when it becomes available, I'll probably pass.
kaazz1337
Reply #15 Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:31 PM
Yeah, but how many GB of music can you listen to at once....my MP3 player is only 1 gig (60+ gb of music on my PC), but that's enough for an average day and it doesn't take long to refresh the playlist.
And to think, by going inexpensive but quite adequate, I've been able to expand my music collection considerably with the cash I saved not getting a hyped up, new-fangled iPod gadget that costs more than what my grandparents paid for their house....bloody ridiculous.
Mate, I use player for alog of reasons. I'm sportive guy, I need something to follow me while doing something. I cant listen to the same music, plus Sometimes I like other songs, but I dont have enought space.
Reply #15 Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:31 PM
Yeah, but how many GB of music can you listen to at once....my MP3 player is only 1 gig (60+ gb of music on my PC), but that's enough for an average day and it doesn't take long to refresh the playlist.
And to think, by going inexpensive but quite adequate, I've been able to expand my music collection considerably with the cash I saved not getting a hyped up, new-fangled iPod gadget that costs more than what my grandparents paid for their house....bloody ridiculous.
Mate, I use player for alog of reasons. I'm sportive guy, I need something to follow me while doing something.
I cant listen to the same music, plus Sometimes I like other songs, but I dont have enought space.
Philly0381
Reply #16 Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:42 PM
Nope, in fact I want you to buy two, that way you make up for me not buying one!
Reply #16 Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:42 PM
Talk me out of an iPod touch!
Nope, in fact I want you to buy two, that way you make up for me not buying one!
ZubaZ
Reply #17 Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:38 PM
Reply #17 Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:38 PM
Talk me out of an iPod touch!
Warning - here's your reason not to buy an iPhone.
The iPhone looks like a truly sweet gadget
starkers
Reply #18 Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:39 PM
Yeah, we have pre-paid phones here in Oz that are a fraction of full price when you pre-pay for all your calls with a certain provider....but as HG said, all of those phones are available for connection to a provider of your choice at the full retail price.
Seems to me, Apple's iPhone is fairly much full price at US$500 + ....and ANY currently available phone at that price here in OZ would be UNLOCKED to access a wide CHOICE of providers.
I know that if I had paid $500+ for a phone, I'd want to be able to connect to a provider of MY choice....one that I could kiss goodbye in an instant if I didn't like the service, coverage or pricing policy, etc.
At least with our pre-paid phones here in Oz, we have the opt out for another provider for a fee. Apple does NOT afford its customers that opportunity, therefore, the locked in to ONE provider iPhone is exorbitantly priced at $500+
Nope, the way I see it, the iPhone being tied to AT&T is another one of Jobs' idiotic exclusivity things...like iTunes and OS-X running ONLY on HIS hardware. It's like he's catering to a niche or fanboi market, rather than the real world/market, meaning he dropped the ball on sales and handed MS the lions-share of the market on a silver platter.
No, but I have an iPhone, and I don't think you would regret the purchase.
Sorry, ID, but I have to argue this notion of "purchase" here. Now you either purchased it or you didn't...and if you did then IT IS YOURS, NOT Apple's. I can understand purchasing a license for MS or Apple software, but this is a phone, for heaven's sake, and I've never heard of any other mobile phone manufacturer forcing consumers into using only one provider for 2 years, with no opt out opportunity.
Land of the free? I could see this happening in a dictatorship or communist regime, where the State manufactured items and forced consumers into running them only on State run service providers, but this is the US of A we're talking about here. Where in the hell was Jobs' head when he came up with that brainstorm!
Mate, I use player for alog of reasons. I'm sportive guy, I need something to follow me while doing something. I cant listen to the same music, plus Sometimes I like other songs, but I dont have enought space.
Ok, so you wanna carry around 8 gigs of toons, say, well you can still buy a player for the fraction of a touch iPod price and enjoy different tunes all day just as well. But then again, I can listen to tunes all day and not hear the same one twice on my 1 gig player....and overnight it takes less than 15 minutes to refresh the playlist for the next day, easy.
Reply #18 Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:39 PM
The iPhone is made for AT&T, so Apple really is "junking" people out of anything except to abide by the service that they signed a deal with. There are many phones on the market that are only available for specfiic providers, so Apple is really no different.
Yeah, we have pre-paid phones here in Oz that are a fraction of full price when you pre-pay for all your calls with a certain provider....but as HG said, all of those phones are available for connection to a provider of your choice at the full retail price.
Seems to me, Apple's iPhone is fairly much full price at US$500 + ....and ANY currently available phone at that price here in OZ would be UNLOCKED to access a wide CHOICE of providers.
I know that if I had paid $500+ for a phone, I'd want to be able to connect to a provider of MY choice....one that I could kiss goodbye in an instant if I didn't like the service, coverage or pricing policy, etc.
At least with our pre-paid phones here in Oz, we have the opt out for another provider for a fee. Apple does NOT afford its customers that opportunity, therefore, the locked in to ONE provider iPhone is exorbitantly priced at $500+
Nope, the way I see it, the iPhone being tied to AT&T is another one of Jobs' idiotic exclusivity things...like iTunes and OS-X running ONLY on HIS hardware. It's like he's catering to a niche or fanboi market, rather than the real world/market, meaning he dropped the ball on sales and handed MS the lions-share of the market on a silver platter.
No, but I have an iPhone, and I don't think you would regret the purchase.
Sorry, ID, but I have to argue this notion of "purchase" here. Now you either purchased it or you didn't...and if you did then IT IS YOURS, NOT Apple's. I can understand purchasing a license for MS or Apple software, but this is a phone, for heaven's sake, and I've never heard of any other mobile phone manufacturer forcing consumers into using only one provider for 2 years, with no opt out opportunity.
Land of the free? I could see this happening in a dictatorship or communist regime, where the State manufactured items and forced consumers into running them only on State run service providers, but this is the US of A we're talking about here. Where in the hell was Jobs' head when he came up with that brainstorm!
Mate, I use player for alog of reasons. I'm sportive guy, I need something to follow me while doing something. I cant listen to the same music, plus Sometimes I like other songs, but I dont have enought space.
Ok, so you wanna carry around 8 gigs of toons, say, well you can still buy a player for the fraction of a touch iPod price and enjoy different tunes all day just as well. But then again, I can listen to tunes all day and not hear the same one twice on my 1 gig player....and overnight it takes less than 15 minutes to refresh the playlist for the next day, easy.
XX
Reply #19 Monday, October 1, 2007 12:50 AM
Reply #19 Monday, October 1, 2007 12:50 AM
Once you go apple, you won't go back, because of agreements hell.
For example, i(can't)Tunes.
For example, i(can't)Tunes.
scorpNZ
Reply #20 Monday, October 1, 2007 1:16 AM
Warning - here's your reason not to buy an iPhone. Objectionable content within (but it's pretty funny)
Maddox's take on the iPhone
Maaaan that's a cracker link,key pads rule
Reply #20 Monday, October 1, 2007 1:16 AM
Warning - here's your reason not to buy an iPhone. Objectionable content within (but it's pretty funny)
Maddox's take on the iPhone
Maaaan that's a cracker link,key pads rule
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Reply #1 Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:05 AM