Moral Dilemma
Monday, September 24, 2007 by PoSmedley | Discussion: Community
Then, yesterday, I received a PM on another skinning site.
"Hello
Very good work. Can you made Icons like this for my clan please?
We use the LAH Division symbol. [link]
it would be great if this possible."
From a person whose handle is a German word for 'racist'.
SO, after my initial shock, my first thought was to remove the work from that site and any other I posted it on. Then, I had to ask myself, who am I punishing here? Who wins? The thought of someone 'liking' them or 'using' them for other than what they were intended...specifically for something so disgusting is hard to take.
Reply #2 Monday, September 24, 2007 10:55 PM
Pretty much ignoring the request all together. No brainer.
I guess the thought of some cockroach with my icons on a wallpaper that's probably the Nazi flag as he chats in messenger with his fellow cockroaches just makes me wanna wretch.
Reply #3 Monday, September 24, 2007 10:57 PM
Reply #4 Monday, September 24, 2007 11:03 PM
yeah good idea
(just send it from an other address email
)Not joking i had to agree with Zubaz. And i understand your feelings about that Po'
Reply #5 Monday, September 24, 2007 11:06 PM
lmao I'll start the email with 'Shalom, Mouth-Breather,...."
How about Menorah4u@gmail?
Reply #7 Monday, September 24, 2007 11:35 PM
Regardless if they pay you or not, you have the privilege of turning them down. If things get ugly, let us know. I'm sure a few of us will step out there with you.
Reply #8 Monday, September 24, 2007 11:47 PM
Reply #9 Monday, September 24, 2007 11:51 PM
I agree...
Reply #10 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:21 AM
Reply #11 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:25 AM
SO do I... MUHAHAHAHAHA !
Po... Moral dillema's i feel cannot be adressed by others... thats the beauty\pain lurking behind the word morality.
Reply #12 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:47 AM
Probably the only issue you have is deciding whether you wish to be associated, however tenuously, with what may or may not be neo-fascist...or white supremacist, KKK, etc.
Historically the LAH Divisions etc were/are simply facets of WW11 German militaria...and not necessarily different to any other, Axis OR Allied.
I've always been interested in WW2 Armour, since I was a rug-rat. There was a chap called Michel Wittmann who was the armour equivalent of a 'Fighter Ace', as Commander of a Tiger 1 he destroyed 88 allied tanks before losing his own...and went on to 138 before becoming MIA in Aug, '44. This showed both a tactical and technical superiority over his opponents which could be 'appreciated' as a skill, albeit undesired.
He was assigned to the LAH [Waffen SS .... LAH stands for Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler], eventually receiving a Knight's Cross [Oak Leaves and swords]. Von Richtoffen had much the same [Cross] in WW1 [the Red Baron].
Military historians have no 'issue' with all of that...it's simply 'history'.
Where it may become an issue is with spotty-faced skin-heads who have absolutely no idea of what it was all about in 39-45 abusing it all as a rally-point for present-day disingenuation with society.
That means it is not about WHAT you may have created as an image/icon but rather WHO is wanting to use it....and WHY.
If you think it'll be misused....simply say "Thanks, but NO." ...
Reply #13 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:13 AM
IE : I really do not wish my art/name to be associated with your group as we do not share the same views.
Reply #14 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:17 AM
Reply #15 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:28 AM
I never even considered honoring the request. Just torn over leaving the dock icons up for freaks like this guy to download.
Bingo. The guy's gallery of 'favorites' is all swastika's and other nazi crap. And now my icons are in his fav gallery. ugh. WWII buff's I understand. This crap just freaks me out. The amazing part is that it's a kid and he lives in Germany.
Reply #16 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:11 AM
Hitler was a kid at one time ..... I think
Reply #17 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:07 AM
There's no tolerance for this kind of Nazi worship by the German people as a whole, so hopefully this kid 'll grow out of it...being he'll garner little support and find himself the odd one out more often than not.
Reply #18 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:29 AM
Check them out and see what they represent.
Asians are horribly over egotistical about "face", but their concerns do have merits (just not merit enough to be so over the top). When we're not there to show people who we are, those who carry our symbols will associate themselves with us.
While we don't intend to do it, we often reflect the characteristics of one person we know onto another person just because they have something we made or used.
It's your face they're using to represent them. Since no lines in life are very clear-cut, it's not that difficult for one person to easily assume that there are no borders.
As a writer, we have a saying along these lines: "It's not what you wrote. It's how people read and interpret what you wrote that causes misunderstanding."
Reply #19 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:44 AM
Every once in awhile a statement is made that gives us a one of life's rulls. This is one of them.
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Reply #1 Monday, September 24, 2007 10:52 PM
You are not endorsing it's use by a racist group.
Sounds like you are in the clear.
Me . . . I'd turn down their request and request that they not use any of my work.